Democrats are in denial over border security

[TashaMarie]

5 hours ago, Hugh Mungus said:

So you are anti people who dont follow covid protocols unless they are Mexican? Seems kind of racist to me. I mean, you clearly dont like these people in Idaho who are helping covid spread, yet Mexicans spreading covid in Texas is just fine with you? Why?

My point was you were attacking the Mexicans for bringing covid in when there are many Americans who seem intent on spreading and not trying help ease the spread.  

You mention the Mexicans taking covid to Texas, what were your thoughts when Cruz ran to Mexico when Texans were dying from covid and lack of power?  Mexico and the Mexican people seemed appealing to him at that point.  Did he get tested before going and on arrival back?  Did his family? 

I have no feelings towards the people in Idaho.  I am just tired of people who throw out every excuse possible to paint the Mexicans as terrible people. 

[psyche101]

Trump rallies.

Big crowds

Not a mask in sight. 

And they wonder why so many people have been infected.

[+joc]

10 hours ago, psyche101 said:

It wasn't Hillary who banished the evil one though.

It was archangel Biden.

 

[+joc]

2 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Trump rallies.

Big crowds

Not a mask in sight. 

And they wonder why so many people have been infected.

I haven't worn a mask or sprayed antiseptic or worried about the so called 'pandemic' since early last summer.   I go everywhere...big box stores...etc.  I haven't been infected.  Haven't gotten sick at all.  Haven't had a fever.  Haven't even had a cough.  I pick my nose, rub my eyes and lick my fingers to get the thin plastic produce bag open so I can put in the bananas that the mask wearers have already touched.

The Pandemic was an Obama Creation....installed by his excellent World Community (i.e. third world thug dictators) Organizing skills.  It was brilliantly executed and yes some people have died...but isn't that worth removing the Orange Hair Bad Man...i.e.  Second coming of Hitler?

[psyche101]

26 minutes ago, joc said:

I haven't worn a mask or sprayed antiseptic or worried about the so called 'pandemic' since early last summer.   I go everywhere...big box stores...etc.  I haven't been infected.  Haven't gotten sick at all.  Haven't had a fever.  Haven't even had a cough.  I pick my nose, rub my eyes and lick my fingers to get the thin plastic produce bag open so I can put in the bananas that the mask wearers have already touched.

The Pandemic was an Obama Creation....installed by his excellent World Community (i.e. third world thug dictators) Organizing skills.  It was brilliantly executed and yes some people have died...but isn't that worth removing the Orange Hair Bad Man...i.e.  Second coming of Hitler?

Dude you haven't lived till you have run at least a block only wearing a mask and covered in disinfectant. There's nothing like it.

I'd show you but they took down the insta video. You poor sheltered fellow. 

[Vorg]

5 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Trump rallies.

Big crowds

Not a mask in sight. 

And they wonder why so many people have been infected.

Not to mention the hundreds that have been identified by the FBI for storming the Capital, because their leader didn't feel the need to wear one, or stress the importance.

He had the ability to drastically change the course of this disease, yet refused. And photos like this are a sample of the mindset.

[+DieChecker]

CBS News: More than 4200 unaccompanied minors held in border patrol custody, FEMA deployed to assist.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/more-than-4200-unaccompanied-minors-held-in-border-patrol-custody-fema-deployed-to-assist/?ftag=CNM-00-10aag7e

Are these the same unaccompanied minors that Biden said in his last debate with Trump DID NOT EXIST? H said they came with parents, all of them, and it was a Trump catastrophe. 

What did he say...

Donald Trump: (33:39)
Yes. We’re working on it very… We’re trying very hard. But a lot of these kids come out without the parents. They come over through cartels and through coyotes and through gangs.

Joe Biden: (33:52)
These 500-plus kids came with parents. They separated them at the border to make it a disincentive to come to begin with. “Be real tough. We’re really strong.” And guess what? They cannot… Coyotes didn’t bring them over. Their parents were with them. They got separated from their parents. And it makes us a laughingstock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation.

So where are these 4200 kids parents Joe? Unless you where just talking sheet to begin with....

[+OverSword]

Just coming in on the third page and I see that this thread isn't about border security or democrats denial of the subject but is actually about covid and trump.  Have I got that right?  Geez 

[Vorg]

9 hours ago, joc said:

Are you joking, or do you really believe this virus is something that was designed or turned into something that would affect Trump's re-election chances?

Worldwide there have been 2.5 million deaths, with the U.S claiming over 500,000 of those deaths.

With the mindset of Trump supporters it is no wonder the virus claimed 1/5th of total deaths worldwide here in the United States.

Do you think the rest of the world is losing people or that it is all just trickery to make Trump look bad leading to his defeat?

He defeated himself. When you have someone who claims to be more knowledgable than the CDC in regards to communicable diaseases, I don't wouldn't put my trust in him.

My brother in laws friend lost his sister last week suddenly, to nothing but the Corona virus.

It really isn't hard to spot Trump supporters where ever I go. No mask and generally uneducated looking, just like 99% of the Capital rioters.

It is a shame some people have died because of the attitudes of others.

 

[Tatetopa]

7 hours ago, South Alabam said:

Not to mention the hundreds that have been identified by the FBI for storming the Capital, because their leader didn't feel the need to wear one, or stress the importance.

He had the ability to drastically change the course of this disease, yet refused. And photos like this are a sample of the mindset.

Kinda gets me that he and Melania got vaccinated on the QT, as if it wasn't a macho thing to do.  He could have refused the vaccine if he had believed his own line of BS.  Instead it shows his character as a coward, uninterested in the welfare of anybody else.

 

[docyabut2]

Its sad the democrats are bringing into our country  terrorists and all the drug cartels and their families:( that  President  Trump tried to stop

[Hyperionxvii]

29 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Its sad the democrats are bringing into our country  terrorists and all the drug cartels and their families:( that  President  Trump tried to stop

Those are not terrorists or drug cartels. Seriously, by far the majority of them are not. 

What they are, as far as democrats are concerned, are democrat voters. Democrat politicians do not love these people, or care about them at all. They see them as useful at the moment, nothing more. 

 

Edited March 16, 2021 by Hyperionxvii

[+OverSword]

13 minutes ago, Hyperionxvii said:

Those are not terrorists or drug cartels. Seriously, by far the majority of them are not. 

What they are, as far as democrats are concerned, are democrat voters. Democrat politicians do not love these people, or care about them at all. They see them as useful at the moment, nothing more. 

 

How dare you sir 

[+joc]

3 hours ago, South Alabam said:

Are you joking, or do you really believe this virus is something that was designed or turned into something that would affect Trump's re-election chances?

Worldwide there have been 2.5 million deaths, with the U.S claiming over 500,000 of those deaths.

That's what they say...I am skeptical.

With the mindset of Trump supporters it is no wonder the virus claimed 1/5th of total deaths worldwide here in the United States.

Skeptical about that as well.  We watched him being framed by the CIA and the FBI LIVE!   P u l e e z e....

Do you think the rest of the world is losing people or that it is all just trickery to make Trump look bad leading to his defeat?

It is all trickery.  Obama is a community organizer...first and foremost.  He had the thugs of the world to organize for 8 years...plus...he is the only President to have studied and laid out plans to fight a Pandemic...not that we have had one in the last hundred years...almost like he was...dare say...expecting one.

He defeated himself. When you have someone who claims to be more knowledgable than the CDC in regards to communicable diseases, I don't wouldn't put my trust in him.

Oh yes the CDC...god forbid we are skeptical about that group.  But, you know, we learned from the FBI and the CIA just how far that Obama administration was determined to go to make Trump into some kind of Nixon.  The Orange Hair man had to go...only  one man for the job...Bamster to the rescue. 

My brother in laws friend lost his sister last week suddenly, to nothing but the Corona virus.

Very sorry to hear that.  Doesn't mean the Pandemic wasn't staged.   Casualties are to be expected in a war.  And that's what this is...a war against one man...Donald J Trump.  Edited to say...wrong...a war against half of the country that doesn't agree with Socialism.  Does it concern you at all that almost 100% of the news coverage of Donald J Trump has been extremely negative.  That should tell you something when over 50% of the voters in America support him.  Ah...but it doesn't...because you are obviously sucked into the media hype propaganda that has been ongoing for a long, long time.  

 

 

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It really isn't hard to spot Trump supporters where ever I go. No mask and generally uneducated looking, just like 99% of the Capital rioters.

It is a shame some people have died because of the attitudes of others.

That's just stupid.  No, it really is.  To even put forth the idea that virtually one half of the voters in the United States of America are morons because they disagree with YOU is completely stupid.  Seriously!  

Edited March 17, 2021 by joc

[psyche101]

7 hours ago, DieChecker said:

CBS News: More than 4200 unaccompanied minors held in border patrol custody, FEMA deployed to assist.
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/more-than-4200-unaccompanied-minors-held-in-border-patrol-custody-fema-deployed-to-assist/?ftag=CNM-00-10aag7e

Are these the same unaccompanied minors that Biden said in his last debate with Trump DID NOT EXIST? H said they came with parents, all of them, and it was a Trump catastrophe. 

What did he say...

Donald Trump: (33:39)
Yes. We’re working on it very… We’re trying very hard. But a lot of these kids come out without the parents. They come over through cartels and through coyotes and through gangs.

Joe Biden: (33:52)
These 500-plus kids came with parents. They separated them at the border to make it a disincentive to come to begin with. “Be real tough. We’re really strong.” And guess what? They cannot… Coyotes didn’t bring them over. Their parents were with them. They got separated from their parents. And it makes us a laughingstock and violates every notion of who we are as a nation.

So where are these 4200 kids parents Joe? Unless you where just talking sheet to begin with....

Didn't he say that during the debate? 

I think you have two different situations mixed up there?

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, Hyperionxvii said:

What they are, as far as democrats are concerned, are democrat voters. Democrat politicians do not love these people, or care about them at all. They see them as useful at the moment, nothing more. 

One theory.  Or they are night janitors, framers, roofers, and hog processors that Republican  (and Democratic)  donors need for that cheap labor.    You are on the ball with keeping the minimum wage low aren't you?  This is one way to do it. They will work a while then their bosses will call for an ICE raid before they start asking for raises.  Not much chance they will get to vote.

This has  been  going on for 30 years or more with neither party interested in a solution,  I think Reagan tried once and gave up. 

If you think either party or their leadership is overly concerned with the welfare of citizens already here or those heading this way, well, I would be inclined to doubt it. 

 

[Hyperionxvii]

3 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

One theory.  Or they are night janitors, framers, roofers, and hog processors that Republican  (and Democratic)  donors need for that cheap labor.    You are on the ball with keeping the minimum wage low aren't you?  This is one way to do it. They will work a while then their bosses will call for an ICE raid before they start asking for raises.  Not much chance they will get to vote.

This has  been  going on for 30 years or more with neither party interested in a solution,  I think Reagan tried once and gave up. 

If you think either party or their leadership is overly concerned with the welfare of citizens already here or those heading this way, well, I would be inclined to doubt it. 

 

Well, they might be all of those things. But why are we talking about making $15 an hour the minimum wage, when we are going to pay these people half that much, if even that? Won't that have the effect of putting those people with their $15 an hour jobs, out of work? This is a double standard. 

"If you think either party or their leadership is overly concerned with the welfare of citizens already here or those heading this way, well, I would be inclined to doubt it. 

I don't think anything like that. Which is just another reason I'm not a member of any political party.

 

Edited March 17, 2021 by Hyperionxvii

[Tatetopa]

31 minutes ago, Hyperionxvii said:

Well, they might be all of those things. But why are we talking about making $15 an hour the minimum wage, when we are going to pay these people half that much, if even that? Won't that have the effect of putting those people with their $15 an hour jobs, out of work? This is a double standard. 

Reasonable question, but somewhat unrelated to the border problem.    As long as we do not enforce the laws we have on the books, immigrants will know they have a pretty good chance at working without being caught and employers who hire them know they don't have to pay more.  Rather an unfair  as well as illegal advantage.

Not really a double standard if we apply the single standard of the law as to who can work in the US. and who can't.

Of course, we could pull a reversal.  We could lower the minimum wage back to $2.25 and hour and cause  an immigration of Americans to Canada and Mexico.  Wow, lowering the wage could solve our immigration and our poverty problem all at once.

[Myles]

15 hours ago, South Alabam said:

 

 

It really isn't hard to spot Trump supporters where ever I go. No mask and generally uneducated looking, just like 99% of the Capital rioters.

It is a shame some people have died because of the attitudes of others.

 

Uneducated looking?    What is that.   What if I apply that term to a group of people I think look uneducated?   You OK with that?

[Hyperionxvii]

8 hours ago, Myles said:

Uneducated looking?    What is that.   What if I apply that term to a group of people I think look uneducated?   You OK with that?

This is just ignorance talking. I know a lot of those 'rednecks' who are very educated. But as long as our politicians and the media can convince us all that 'those people' are inferior to us, it's good for them for now, bad for everyone else. Divide and conquer, a very old and disgusting tactic. 

[+OverSword]

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The Customs and Border Protection agency confirmed to Congress today that four people arrested at the southern border since Oct. 1 match names on the FBI's Terrorist Screening Database, a congressional aide briefed on the correspondence told Axios.

Why it matters: Three of the people arrested were from Yemen and one was from Serbia. The four arrests are more than the number of similar people taken into custody during recent full fiscal years, according to the source. In fiscal 2018, six people from Yemen and Bangladesh were arrested.

 

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[+DieChecker]

23 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Didn't he say that during the debate? 

I think you have two different situations mixed up there?

Trump said these kids were brought here without parents. Thats why returning them was so hard. Biden said that was not true that these kids were separated at the border. Well... Here is a perfect example of kids showing up at the border being brought here without parents. 

Meaning Biden likely knew he was spouting out a falsehood, or if not, then he was listening to propagandists like an idiot.

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Trump said these kids were brought here without parents. Thats why returning them was so hard. Biden said that was not true that these kids were separated at the border. Well... Here is a perfect example of kids showing up at the border being brought here without parents. 

Meaning Biden likely knew he was spouting out a falsehood, or if not, then he was listening to propagandists like an idiot.

How is he spouting a falsehood? The Trump zero tolerance program seperates hundreds of children from parents facing trial. Biden has created a taskforce to track down such instances and reunite families.

Cathleen Caron had been appointed director of the Justice in motion program reuniting children seperated in the aforementioned fashion. 

The nonprofit organization leading the effort to reunite more than 500 migrant children still separated for their parents, Justice in Motion, told ABC News last month that such a task force was desperately needed to cut through bureaucratic tape and scale up the resources involved in the search.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/biden-create-task-force-reunite-families-separated-border/story%3fid=75619761

[Agent0range]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Trump said these kids were brought here without parents. Thats why returning them was so hard. Biden said that was not true that these kids were separated at the border. Well... Here is a perfect example of kids showing up at the border being brought here without parents. 

Meaning Biden likely knew he was spouting out a falsehood, or if not, then he was listening to propagandists like an idiot.

You have two different issues confused.  You'll see on this forum that Obama put kids in cages...Biden puts kids in cages.  It's TRUE that unaccompanied migrant children are put in a detention center.  The difference is that neither Obama nor Biden separated children from their parents.  That was strictly a Trump thing.  The DHS issue with reuniting children with parents, the numbers were strictly children that were separated by officials at the border.

[+DieChecker]

19 minutes ago, Agent0range said:

You have two different issues confused.  You'll see on this forum that Obama put kids in cages...Biden puts kids in cages.  It's TRUE that unaccompanied migrant children are put in a detention center.  The difference is that neither Obama nor Biden separated children from their parents.  That was strictly a Trump thing.  The DHS issue with reuniting children with parents, the numbers were strictly children that were separated by officials at the border.

From what I read in the past, that wasn't the case. From what I remember the separated children and the unaccompanied children ended up in the same facilities, and for whatever reasons, much of the records were lost. Thus they can't say with certainty if the 600 children were accompanied and separated, or just unaccompanied.

I know the liberal side of the media neglect to to mention much of that, because it interferes with hating Trump. And its equally true the right leaning media neglects their own facts in telling the story. But, AFAIK, the records WERE lost, and the children DID get mixed in the facilities.

Edited March 18, 2021 by DieChecker