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Possible Bigfoot DNA in southeast Kentucky?


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8 minutes ago, Resume said:

Humans have 23 chromosomes, chimps 24.  2 of our ancestral chromosomes fused into what we refer to now as chromosome 2.  This I understand.

Yup. gorillas and orangutans also have 24 pairs. It's 46 and 48 individual chromosomes. Half from mom and half from dad.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC187548/#:~:text=Humans have 46 chromosomes%2C whereas,(Yunis and Prakash 1982).

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7 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

So if and thats a huge qualifying "if" a yeti or BF existed then it would likely be in the 24 cromo group since its alleged description leans more towards ape than human

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2 minutes ago, the13bats said:

So if and thats a huge qualifying "if" a yeti or BF existed then it would likely be in the 24 cromo group since its alleged description leans more towards ape than human

If we're gonna pretend here, I would agree.

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1 hour ago, Resume said:

If we're gonna pretend here, I would agree.

Well geez you know me well enough to know i dont believe in yeti or Bigfoot, actually strike that i do believe in the yeti, its a type of bear.

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14 hours ago, Trelane said:

The "Berry expedition" was the Yeti or Not program.

Trelane, WHICH Berry expedition, he had THREE

Get a report of a peer review of that eDNA test of the lake water atop Gangkhar Puensum by Eva Bellemain, or FORGEDDABOUDIT. :sm

you're not a very good scientist. You are trying to demonstrate a point using ambiance instead of fact. Show me the money and stop wasting my time with this minutia. 

 

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1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Trelane, WHICH Berry expedition, he had THREE

Get a report of a peer review of that eDNA test of the lake water atop Gangkhar Puensum by Eva Bellemain, or FORGEDDABOUDIT. :sm

you're not a very good scientist. You are trying to demonstrate a point using ambiance instead of fact. Show me the money and stop wasting my time with this minutia. 

 

Cherry picked,

And barry never produced proof yeti is hominid in fact his evidence goes against it, he didnt even know sheep tracks when he saw them and thought they were bipedal.

If a person makes claims they have to include the evidence to back up their alleged claims not pull the cop out lazy card and tell others to hunt something that might not even exist.

Telling someone they arent a good scientists after you have presented zero to back up your claims is a bit hysterically ironic, you have zlitch so you go ad hominem, typical of you but weak, present you evidence and proof or admit you have none.

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2 hours ago, the13bats said:

Cherry picked,

And barry never produced proof yeti is hominid in fact his evidence goes against it, he didnt even know sheep tracks when he saw them and thought they were bipedal.

If a person makes claims they have to include the evidence to back up their alleged claims not pull the cop out lazy card and tell others to hunt something that might not even exist.

Telling someone they arent a good scientists after you have presented zero to back up your claims is a bit hysterically ironic, you have zlitch so you go ad hominem, typical of you but weak, present you evidence and proof or admit you have none.

Did I call it or what? :lol:

You are a much stronger willed and patient person than me to remain engaged with EOT.

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35 minutes ago, Trelane said:

Did I call it or what? :lol:

You are a much stronger willed and patient person than me to remain engaged with EOT.

No, i am not, i have a lot a chores today i cant ignore just because i feel crappy so i pop in here from time to time as a derail from it but i can ignore wastes of time so after i replied above i placed him on "ignore" i like discussion but he just makes up stuff doesnt back up his claims and goes ad hominem if pressed.

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On 4/1/2021 at 7:51 PM, onlookerofmayhem said:

Agreed. I'd like to know what the actual findings are that determine that it's 99% human dna, but not human.

Chimpanzees are said to have around 99% similarity in dna to humans.

Humans share around 99.9% dna with each other.

The crux of this matter is how it was supposedly determined to actually be non human.

 

Couldn't agree more. 

And I must say here, people think that my position is that the Yeti has been found. NOT THE TRUTH. I never said that.
I offered the information from the Berry expedition as *evidence*. Not proof of a damm thing.

The test itself should be scrutinized by eDNA or DNA specialists because the results are too important. It could be human contamination.
This is a location that should have other explorers flocking to this site. What's wrong?? :no:

I wish I knew the answer to that and a blizzard of other questions I would have. And see below, Chimps and Bonobos share 99% of human DNA

 

Bonobos Join Chimps as Closest Human Relatives -  Link

"Ever since researchers sequenced the chimp genome in 2005, they have known that humans share about 99% of our DNA with chimpanzees, making them our closest living relatives. But there are actually two species of apes that are this closely related to humans: bonobos (Pan paniscus) and the common chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes)."

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On 4/1/2021 at 8:01 PM, Resume said:

Humans have 23 chromosomes, chimps 24.  2 of our ancestral chromosomes fused into what we refer to now as chromosome 2.  This I understand.

Ahh, technically, humans have 46 - 23 pairs of chromosomes. 22 are the same for males and females. the 23rd pair has two X-chromosomes for females and an X and Y for males.

And chimps are so close to humans, they figure that the number of genes between the two species is similar, despite the chimps having an extra chromosome - as some people can have too

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On 4/2/2021 at 1:38 PM, Trelane said:

Did I call it or what? :lol:

You are a much stronger willed and patient person than me to remain engaged with EOT.

 

Are you out of your mind????

I have not said ONE WORD to him. He's engaged in fantasy and talking to himself.

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46 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Ahh, technically, humans have 46 - 23 pairs of chromosomes. 22 are the same for males and females. the 23rd pair has two X-chromosomes for females and an X and Y for males.

And chimps are so close to humans, they figure that the number of genes between the two species is similar, despite the chimps having an extra chromosome - as some people can have too

Yes, 23 pairs.  Chromosome two is a fusion of two ancestral chromosomes as I posted, which is why we have 23 as opposed to the 24 in chimps and other great apes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimpanzee_genome_project#:~:text=Human and chimpanzee chromosomes are,have 24 pairs of chromosomes.

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Human and chimpanzee chromosomes are very similar. The primary difference is that humans have one fewer pair of chromosomes than do other great apes. Humans have 23 pairs of chromosomes and other great apes have 24 pairs of chromosomes. In the human evolutionary lineage, two ancestral ape chromosomes fused at their telomeres, producing human chromosome 2.[3] There are nine other major chromosomal differences between chimpanzees and humans: chromosome segment inversions on human chromosomes 1, 4, 5, 9, 12, 15, 16, 17, and 18. After the completion of the Human genome project, a common chimpanzee genome project was initiated. In December 2003, a preliminary analysis of 7600 genes shared between the two genomes confirmed that certain genes such as the forkhead-box P2 transcription factor, which is involved in speech development, are different in the human lineage. Several genes involved in hearing were also found to have changed during human evolution, suggesting selection involving human language-related behavior. Differences between individual humans and common chimpanzees are estimated to be about 10 times the typical difference between pairs of humans.[4]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2

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Chromosome 2 is one of the twenty-three pairs of chromosomes in humans. People normally have two copies of this chromosome. Chromosome 2 is the second-largest human chromosome, spanning more than 242 million base pairs[5] and representing almost eight percent of the total DNA in human cells.

Chromosome 2 contains the HOXD homeobox gene cluster.[6]

Humans have only twenty-three pairs of chromosomes, while all other extant members of Hominidae have twenty-four pairs.[7] (It is believed that Neanderthals and Denisovans had twenty-three pairs.)[7] Human chromosome 2 is a result of an end-to-end fusion of two ancestral chromosomes.[8][9][10]

The evidence for this includes:

  • The correspondence of chromosome 2 to two ape chromosomes. The closest human relative, the chimpanzee, has nearly identical DNA sequences to human chromosome 2, but they are found in two separate chromosomes. The same is true of the more distant gorilla and orangutan.[11][12]
  • The presence of a vestigial centromere. Normally a chromosome has just one centromere, but in chromosome 2 there are remnants of a second centromere in the q21.3–q22.1 region.[13]
  • The presence of vestigial telomeres. These are normally found only at the ends of a chromosome, but in chromosome 2 there are additional telomere sequences in the q13 band, far from either end of the chromosome.[14]

 

ETA:  An "extra" chromosome in humans is called trisomy and often results in problems such as Downs and Edward's syndromes.

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Anyone else find it strange how after all these "possible bigfoot DNA" stories comeout theres still no proof of bigfoot?

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17 hours ago, ThereWeAreThen said:

Anyone else find it strange how after all these "possible bigfoot DNA" stories comeout theres still no proof of bigfoot?

Not as much as i used to, with DNA where it is now when a person who normally is involved with some for profit BF/Yeti hunt says we have DNA and it was tested and their lab said something like, inconclusive, or unknown etc it really doesnt do anything to further their agenda,

An expert in DNA has a database and expertise to be able if we did hand them BF DNA to give us a definitive result, not hocky 99% human so it not human bs.

or we found "primate" DNA in some remote body of water, so what? If your crew were their to get samples so were other humans and who knows perhaps someone dropped a load in the water before you grabbed your sample, inconclusive isnt proof of anything past you dont know.

What is telling is not one respected DNA expert has published a peer reviewed work on  DNA they believe has tested to be BF or a hominid yeti,

sykes yeti tests proved what most knew yeti was type of bear, no, im talking about DNA that proves BF or yeti if they existed DNA is a must and there is no plausible excuse why they have none past the fact BF or yeti do not exist.

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On 4/3/2021 at 8:56 PM, ThereWeAreThen said:

Anyone else find it strange how after all these "possible bigfoot DNA" stories comeout theres still no proof of bigfoot?

Yes, it is a bit of a mystery.

But what is very perplexing is why the DNA findings of  Eva Bellemain have not been peer reviewed, as astounding as the evidence is.
Now, if the DNA was hoaxed, I expect that story to be told by the debunker and others. And if the DNA is real, I expect that many scientists
would like to see the DNA of a new species. 

And what do we have, instead...?

 

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24 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Sorry, if this article has specific information concerning THE specific DNA sample in question (the Berry expedition), PLEASE paste it here. Until then, this is a FAIL.

1) Nowhere was Gangkhar Puensum, mentioned in the article. (That is where the Berry sample was taken).

2) The article concentrates on the Tibetan Plateau and brown bears. There are no brown bears in Bhutan, and there are no bears of any kind above 12,000 feet.

3) There is no telling if this article was written before the Berry sample was found or not. 

I believe we have another poster in here that tried to win this argument using the same tactic. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said:

Sorry, if this article has specific information concerning THE specific DNA sample in question (the Berry expedition), PLEASE paste it here.

Which expedition and DNA sample are you referring to? Berry has done numerous expeditions.

How many different DNA samples from different expeditions were analyzed by Bellemain?

"Steve Berry, is himself a mountaineer and knows the Himalayas like the back of his hand. Like the Bhutanese, he is convinced that the yeti exists. 

In October 2014, while doing the Mount Gangkhar Puensum trek he saw bipedal footprints on the slopes of Ziga-phu Valley. Intrigued, he trekked there again in 2015 and 2016 and in both years, also saw such footprints at about 18,000 feet. At 24, 770 feet, Mount Gangkhar Puensum remains the world’s highest unclimbed mountain and the area around is inaccessible and remote."

"Evans was backed by world renowned geneticist Eva Bellemain. The French scientist used cutting edge genetic technology to extract DNA from water. It is a well-known fact that the body shuts down after three days without water. So, if the yeti exists, it has to drink at some point. For the first time drones were engaged for photography. Dr Bellemain said, “If we had this technology 20 years we would have definitely caught the Migyo.”

The expedition started shooting their documentary in April-May 2017. They were in Bhutan for 25 days, out of which 18 were spent in the mountains, where they collected numerous DNA samples using Eva’s prized research-gathering device, ‘Phantom’ that can extract the DNA from water. 

At the end, the French scientist had accumulated many samples from rivers, stagnant water, lake-sides, animal droppings, scrapping from footprints in the snow, and hair samples from a house that had clearly been broken into by an animal. The hair sample turned out to be yak hair.  

After running tests on the samples in the lab for a year and sequencing them through the world’s largest DNA database, the team arrived at the following conclusions.

Conclusion:

The DNA lifted from the bi-pedal footprints in 2017 from Ziga phu were tested and found to be that of the Argali Sheep.  It is a huge sheep found on the Tibetan Plateau which had thought to have been hunted down by bounty hunters to extinction. While there have been occasional sightings of it in Bhutan, this is the first scientific evidence of the majestic sheep. 

The expedition found some evidence of unusual human like faeces. This is also surprising considering the remoteness and the tough habitat of the terrain. The most  interesting finding was that the sample were a 99% match with human faeces.   This is most interesting. When you consider that Gorillas have a 98% match with humans this could be a significant find.

Like Steve Berry believes, “it could be that some tribes people in Bhutan are not yet registered in the human DNA ‘library’.   In other words, we were left in doubt.   No solid proof one way or the other.”"

https://kuenselonline.com/the-yeti-why-bhutanese-believe-it-exists/

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Thanks, OOM.

Firstly, I said "1) Nowhere was Gangkhar Puensum, mentioned in the article." and that is because I did a search on that mountain, *as spelled*.
There is a slight spelling difference in how your article spells it - Gangkhur Puensum, so sorry about that. 


Now, here is exactly what we need from the text:

37 minutes ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

The expedition found some evidence of unusual human like faeces. This is also surprising considering the remoteness and the tough habitat of the terrain. The most  interesting finding was that the sample were a 99% match with human faeces.   This is most interesting. When you consider that Gorillas have a 98% match with humans this could be a significant find.


Let me just say this... Everything is fine *except* the very mention of 'human faeces" which was never ever mentioned in the video version, with Berry presiding.
Where this human-like faeces got out into the mix, I'll never know. Berry clearly stated the eDNA sample that showed 99% human came from a LAKE.

 

Long and shot  of it is this...it sustains everything else I said. The DNA evidence from that Berry expedition has NOT been refuted anywhere, it has been written up.

Thanks, onlookerofmayhem

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Which expedition and DNA sample are you referring to? Berry has done numerous expeditions.

How many different DNA samples from different expeditions were analyzed by Bellemain?

"Steve Berry, is himself a mountaineer and knows the Himalayas like the back of his hand. Like the Bhutanese, he is convinced that the yeti exists. 

In October 2014, while doing the Mount Gangkhar Puensum trek he saw bipedal footprints on the slopes of Ziga-phu Valley. Intrigued, he trekked there again in 2015 and 2016 and in both years, also saw such footprints at about 18,000 feet. At 24, 770 feet, Mount Gangkhar Puensum remains the world’s highest unclimbed mountain and the area around is inaccessible and remote."

"Evans was backed by world renowned geneticist Eva Bellemain. The French scientist used cutting edge genetic technology to extract DNA from water. It is a well-known fact that the body shuts down after three days without water. So, if the yeti exists, it has to drink at some point. For the first time drones were engaged for photography. Dr Bellemain said, “If we had this technology 20 years we would have definitely caught the Migyo.”

The expedition started shooting their documentary in April-May 2017. They were in Bhutan for 25 days, out of which 18 were spent in the mountains, where they collected numerous DNA samples using Eva’s prized research-gathering device, ‘Phantom’ that can extract the DNA from water. 

At the end, the French scientist had accumulated many samples from rivers, stagnant water, lake-sides, animal droppings, scrapping from footprints in the snow, and hair samples from a house that had clearly been broken into by an animal. The hair sample turned out to be yak hair.  

After running tests on the samples in the lab for a year and sequencing them through the world’s largest DNA database, the team arrived at the following conclusions.

Conclusion:

The DNA lifted from the bi-pedal footprints in 2017 from Ziga phu were tested and found to be that of the Argali Sheep.  It is a huge sheep found on the Tibetan Plateau which had thought to have been hunted down by bounty hunters to extinction. While there have been occasional sightings of it in Bhutan, this is the first scientific evidence of the majestic sheep. 

The expedition found some evidence of unusual human like faeces. This is also surprising considering the remoteness and the tough habitat of the terrain. The most  interesting finding was that the sample were a 99% match with human faeces.   This is most interesting. When you consider that Gorillas have a 98% match with humans this could be a significant find.

Like Steve Berry believes, “it could be that some tribes people in Bhutan are not yet registered in the human DNA ‘library’.   In other words, we were left in doubt.   No solid proof one way or the other.”"

https://kuenselonline.com/the-yeti-why-bhutanese-believe-it-exists/

Thats from the same article i posted before where they found it to be bears, sheep and someone likely dropped a load in a lake, no where did anyone have a hissy that they found unknown hominid DNA but if i missed thst part im sure it will be posted.

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20 hours ago, the13bats said:

Thats from the same article i posted before where they found it to be bears, sheep and someone likely dropped a load in a lake, no where did anyone have a hissy that they found unknown hominid DNA but if i missed thst part im sure it will be posted.

He only reads what he wants and then doesn't acknowledge what has been presented. It happens time and again. Moving the goal posts is how one could describe his debate/discussion technique.

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19 minutes ago, Trelane said:

He only reads what he wants and then doesn't acknowledge what has been presented. It happens time and again. Moving the goal posts is how one could describe his debate/discussion technique.

Right, thing is he keeps going to some berry expedition refuses to say which one ( all produced zip ) we posts reports and articles that say things like berry thought sheep tracks just had to be bipedal, And there really is zero epic about finding human DNA in water where ahem, humans are.

Seems if a person wants to support yeti is hominid post proof not vauge documentary quotes that back up yeti not being hominid,

But yeah, i got bored with his trollio style and placed him on ignore.

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On 3/19/2021 at 1:22 PM, Eldorado said:

Among the legends and myths in rural America, tales of Bigfoot may be some of the most well known.

Folk tales of a large, hairy, humanoid-like creature roaming the woods are most associated with the American Northwest. 

But a team of paranormal researchers and reality TV show investigators thinks Kentucky’s southeastern mountains may hold the key to proving the cryptid (an animal whose existence is disputed) is out there.

Bigfoot, or Sasquatch as he’s sometimes called, is generally described as being 6 to 9 feet tall, covered in hair, and ever-elusive.

Full story at the Daily Yonder

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