1970s 'Mothman' photograph surfaces

[the13bats]

2 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

I believe Erik can indeed research such subjects from the perspective of the other side. No explanation beyond hoax/misidentification wouldn't be mocked by the narrow minded. I believe Erik's explanation is at least the most believable I've heard based on my respect for the source.

I do believe in the Mothman regardless of that photo, but I had little opinion about that photograph if you bother to check.

You Making lame attempt at insult is no excuse for you having zero proof of your empty claims

[papageorge1]

3 minutes ago, the13bats said:

You Making lame attempt at insult is no excuse for you having zero proof of your empty claims

When will it sink in bats that I am not claiming proof BUT best judgment all things considered?????

[Resume]

33 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

When will it sink in bats that I am not claiming proof BUT best judgment all things considered?????

So you're just engaging in playground pretend?  That's good to know because if you were making truth claims, you're pretty much expected to defend your position with evidence.

Edited March 25, 2021 by Resume
English, do you type it?

[the13bats]

41 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

When will it sink in bats that I am not claiming proof BUT best judgment all things considered?????

Got it! Papa g has nothing but make believe stories.

[papageorge1]

1 hour ago, the13bats said:

Got it! Papa g has nothing but make believe stories.

Sad, sad, sad post. Consider better uses of your time.

[papageorge1]

1 hour ago, Resume said:

So you're just engaging in playground pretend? 

Er no. I judge reasonableness and likelihood. 

[Resume]

4 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Er no. I judge reasonableness and likelihood. 

Your reasonableness and likelihood sounds exactly like playground pretend.  "My footie foo-foo is inbisible."

Assigning characteristics and attributes to an non-existent entity is not reasonable; assigning unproved "paranormal" attributes to said entity is irrational.

Edited March 25, 2021 by Resume

[papageorge1]

Just now, Resume said:

Your reasonableness and likelihood sounds exactly like playground pretend.  "My footie foo-foo is inbisible."

Do  you have no better waste of your time than posting that? You must be immaturely riled up.

[Resume]

3 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Do  you have no better waste of your time than posting that? You must be immaturely riled up.

No, see above.  Your reasonableness is exactly like that of an adolescent telling a story.  Playground pretend, pure and simple.

ETA:  In cased you missed it.  

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Assigning characteristics and attributes to an non-existent entity is not reasonable; assigning unproved "paranormal" attributes to said entity is irrational.

 

Edited March 25, 2021 by Resume

[Jaded1]

I don't normally pipe up but I've been biting my tongue after seeing some of the incredibly naive comments on this thread. Papa, do you realise how incredibly ridiculous you sound? You believe everything's paranormal. You'd be a conman's dream because you believe every wild claim going whilst ignoring the most reasonable and plausible explanations. You're absolutely deluded if you believe any of your "sources".

Edited March 25, 2021 by Jaded1

[the13bats]

21 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Sad, sad, sad post. Consider better uses of your time.

Ditto

[preacherman76]

7 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

I think what Erik said is quite likely to be accurate because of my respect for the source. Think about it, any Mothman explanation beyond just hoax/misidentification would stretch our credulity. So does every paranormal/alien/crypto explanation on any case stretch people's credulity.

Well I'd have to see some amazing things from this guy before I could consider. Even then it would be difficult. Do you have anything on this guy that I can check out?

[papageorge1]

40 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

Well I'd have to see some amazing things from this guy before I could consider. Even then it would be difficult. Do you have anything on this guy that I can check out?

Channeling Erik

Also a personal story I've shared before on UM

[the13bats]

12 hours ago, preacherman76 said:

Well I'd have to see some amazing things from this guy before I could consider. Even then it would be difficult. Do you have anything on this guy that I can check out?

The guy is a kid who killed himself so how does anything "check out" ?

For well over 40 years any time ive been presented with a psychic,  seerer, channeler, etc ive said prove it, tell me names of my kin, of course a few thought i was stupid enough to fall for cold reading games they were laughed at went away angry and exposed.

Even papa can not present proof all he has is belief, so tell us what will it take to convince you some dead kid talks from the other side because in my more that 40 years of inquiries all i receive is excuses an failures.

[Solomonsez]

That's one blurry bear!

[preacherman76]

5 hours ago, the13bats said:

The guy is a kid who killed himself so how does anything "check out" ?

 
 

 

I don’t understand what that has to do with anything. 

5 hours ago, the13bats said:

 

For well over 40 years any time ive been presented with a psychic,  seerer, channeler, etc ive said prove it, tell me names of my kin, of course a few thought i was stupid enough to fall for cold reading games they were laughed at went away angry and exposed.

Even papa can not present proof all he has is belief, so tell us what will it take to convince you some dead kid talks from the other side because in my more that 40 years of inquiries all i receive is excuses an failures.

I’ve never had an experience with a psychic. So I really couldn’t say first hand. I do have a cousin who recorded her session with one. She went because her Dad died while she wasn’t home, and felt very guilty she wasn’t there. 
 

I guess you’d call them a medium, she  said and knew things that blew my mind. Now don’t get me wrong I’m still neither here nor there about it, but my mind definitely became more open to the idea after listening to it. 

[the13bats]

9 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

 

I don’t understand what that has to do with anything. 

I’ve never had an experience with a psychic. So I really couldn’t say first hand. I do have a cousin who recorded her session with one. She went because her Dad died while she wasn’t home, and felt very guilty she wasn’t there. 
 

I guess you’d call them a medium, she  said and knew things that blew my mind. Now don’t get me wrong I’m still neither here nor there about it, but my mind definitely became more open to the idea after listening to it. 

I dont myself believe in dead kids talking from the other side so nothing to check out, perhaps i word that oddly.

A lot of people go to phychics when a person dies i would guess the majority who would hit cassadaga did, im torn on it while it does make some grieving people feel better it's still fake, in that case i do not believe the girls dead father spoke to her from beyond.

At the risk of sounding pompous i got so savvy at the cold readings that i had lots of kind believers say i blew their mind with my gift, i assure you i have no gift and i now reserve that talent for rare occasions when a person is being an ass claiming too loudly and too close about their special powers.

The botanica saintaria was a bit different most had spouse, $$$ or both issues or all scared someone was cursing them, some really did get you in the heart.

[Resume]

19 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

 

I don’t understand what that has to do with anything. 

I’ve never had an experience with a psychic. So I really couldn’t say first hand. I do have a cousin who recorded her session with one. She went because her Dad died while she wasn’t home, and felt very guilty she wasn’t there. 
 

I guess you’d call them a medium, she  said and knew things that blew my mind. Now don’t get me wrong I’m still neither here nor there about it, but my mind definitely became more open to the idea after listening to it. 

There's a good P&T BS episode on mediums.  A subject was reduced to tears by the reading, then was a bit peeved when after the reading, he was shown how poor the reading actually was.  A good mentalist can do that.

[preacherman76]

1 hour ago, Resume said:

There's a good P&T BS episode on mediums.  A subject was reduced to tears by the reading, then was a bit peeved when after the reading, he was shown how poor the reading actually was.  A good mentalist can do that.

Of course. There are people who are very good at fraud. I had zero emotion when I listened. In fact my only reason for listening was to protect my cousin who I knew was emotional. I listened with a fine tooth comb. Literally analyzed what was said, and thought of any way possible they could have known what they did. I just couldn't find a way without them receiving that info on the spot.  

[preacherman76]

I have so little interest in psychics, that far as I’m concerned people can feel about them however they want. No judgment from me. Even after that, I had no desire to explore it any further. 
 

Im just telling what I heard, and it was impressive, from a unbiased, neutral perspective. 

[the13bats]

2 hours ago, Resume said:

There's a good P&T BS episode on mediums.  A subject was reduced to tears by the reading, then was a bit peeved when after the reading, he was shown how poor the reading actually was.  A good mentalist can do that.

You likely understand why i wont do it to people.

[preacherman76]

2 hours ago, the13bats said:

I dont myself believe in dead kids talking from the other side so nothing to check out, perhaps i word that oddly.

A lot of people go to phychics when a person dies i would guess the majority who would hit cassadaga did, im torn on it while it does make some grieving people feel better it's still fake, in that case i do not believe the girls dead father spoke to her from beyond.

At the risk of sounding pompous i got so savvy at the cold readings that i had lots of kind believers say i blew their mind with my gift, i assure you i have no gift and i now reserve that talent for rare occasions when a person is being an ass claiming too loudly and too close about their special powers.

The botanica saintaria was a bit different most had spouse, $$$ or both issues or all scared someone was cursing them, some really did get you in the heart.

I feel ya. Like with most things of this nature I don’t have a belief. I don’t know that my cousin heard from her father. I just know there was nothing vague about what this lady was saying. And no matter how much I tried to find the scam, I couldn’t. 

[the13bats]

4 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

I feel ya. Like with most things of this nature I don’t have a belief. I don’t know that my cousin heard from her father. I just know there was nothing vague about what this lady was saying. And no matter how much I tried to find the scam, I couldn’t. 

Its weird, i except you will be adamant not in your case but i have seen this countless times, hits are not as specific as you recall and misses are forgotten, if we had a recording of that reading and played it now you might be shocked how its not exactly how you think remember it was.

I really do expect your reply to be to the effect of not in your case,  its really a phenomenon in itself.

Cold reading is an art and talant afterall these people use this illusion to earn a living

I do not recall how long i put in at cassadaga but after a few years i saw a lot of people leave thinking as you are yet from my prespective there were no specific hits and lots of misses.

 

[preacherman76]

28 minutes ago, the13bats said:

Its weird, i except you will be adamant not in your case but i have seen this countless times, hits are not as specific as you recall and misses are forgotten, if we had a recording of that reading and played it now you might be shocked how its not exactly how you think remember it was.

I really do expect your reply to be to the effect of not in your case,  its really a phenomenon in itself.

Cold reading is an art and talant afterall these people use this illusion to earn a living

I do not recall how long i put in at cassadaga but after a few years i saw a lot of people leave thinking as you are yet from my prespective there were no specific hits and lots of misses.

 

You gotta understand though, you were dealing with people who wanted to believe. This was in my earlier Christian days. Not only did I not want to believe, afterwards I still warned her against it. That it came from darkness. 
 

I started listening angry that someone I loved was being taken advantage of. I wanted to find the fraud, badly. Without even knowing our last names, this women was telling us things like odd nic names a couple of our aunts had. In fact that was what was the final straw for me.
 

According to this lady, my cousins father told her, don’t worry I wasn’t alone, bug came and got me. That was my aunt Dianne. And this is long before social media. And was in an area that was a couple hundred miles away from where my aunt ever lived. 

It’s such a strange nic name that even the psychic seemed confused. Was all like I don’t know if this makes any sense but he is saying bug came and got him. 
 

And again, this women never even knew our last name. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by preacherman76

[the13bats]

7 minutes ago, preacherman76 said:

You gotta understand though, you were dealing with people who wanted to believe. This was in my earlier Christian days. Not only did I not want to believe, afterwards I still warned her against it. That it came from darkness. 
 

I started listening angry that someone I loved was being taken advantage of. I wanted to find the fraud, badly. Without even knowing our last names, this women was telling us things like odd nic names a couple of our aunts had. In fact that was what was the final straw for me.
 

According to this lady, my cousins father told her, don’t worry I wasn’t alone, bug came and got me. That was my aunt Dianne. And this is long before social media. And was in an area that was a couple hundred miles away from where my aunt ever lived. 

It’s such a strange nic name that even the psychic seemed confused. Was all like I don’t know if this makes any sense but he is saying bug came and got him. 
 

And again, this women never even knew our last name. 

I expected this reply,

Ive heard it countless times people in your same mindset, these charlatans earn a living this way, i wish you had a recording of it to listen again.

In over 40 years not one of countless psychics ever proved to me anything, never got any name not even common ones,

Its illusion at its best.