Mr Walker Posted April 11, 2021 #351 Share Posted April 11, 2021 7 hours ago, Abramelin said: I didn't ask for word- spaghetti, I asked for a simple yes or no. And I know that you know, or think you know. All I want is an honest answer. A straight answer. I know my English isn't perfect, but I do hope you understand my previous question. I gave the best answer I am capable of giving, to explain what i think. That was about as simple as my mind can get. It explained what i think and what i know The question, IMO, can not be answered with a simple yes or no. Actually your English is better than many posters here, and i had no idea it wasn't your first language Perhaps you could simply and clearly explain what you are actually asking me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 11, 2021 #352 Share Posted April 11, 2021 7 hours ago, Abramelin said: Sorry Walker, I skipped this part of your answer to me: "Unless a mind is recorded while alive, and stored somewhere, it will cease to exist after death. " Thank you. Edit: So, according to you, the mind is a product, but not a independant entity. ah that explains it Yes the mind is an evolved product it requires a host body and brain for survival and operation but it's nature means it can potentially be recorded, stored, and duplicated both in machines/computers, and in other organic hosts (bodies/brains) It can become independent of it's ORIGINAL host body/brain but (as yet) will still require one to survive and evolve /learn grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted April 11, 2021 #353 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Dejarma said: are you talking 'placebo' here? In some cases, but it is more than, or different from, simple placebos There are thousands of studies on this and hundreds of meta studies Faith/belief has been shown to reduce mortality rates from cancer, and increase remission and survival rates. it improves healing and recovery times from physical trauma and illness. it significantly improves psychological health and many aspects of physical well being. So much so that, where a faith is combined with healthy living caused by that faith, it can improve longevity by up to10 years and maintain greater psychological and physical well being during those years. Ironically, given my own heart issues, it has proven to be particularly effective in reducing cardiovascular diseases. A positive faith reduces anxiety, stress, and blood pressure. Indeed it has been proven to be as effective as prescribed blood pressure medicines in reducing blood pressure, in some studies. Oh I am not talking miracle or divine intervention if that is what you were asking. . Religion and faith evolved as pro survival aspects of human cognition, as we evolved increased self awareness, which in turn increased levels of stress and anxiety (according to modern theory in Psychology and cognitive evolution ) Edited April 11, 2021 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 11, 2021 #354 Share Posted April 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: There are thousands of studies on this and hundreds of meta studies Faith/belief has been shown to reduce mortality rates from cancer, and increase remission and survival rates. sorry you've lost me (probably my fault for not reading enough i guess)-- Faith/belief in what: God/s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted April 11, 2021 #355 Share Posted April 11, 2021 "I'm thinking of thinking of calling her right After my afternoon nap. I'm thinking of thinking of sending her flowers Right after Bonnie gets back. So many fishes Left in the sea, So many fishes, but no one for me. I'm thinking of thinking of hooking a love, Soon after supper is done." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted April 11, 2021 #356 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Critical analysis of these papers does not disprove the facts discovered or even call them into question. It may raise questions about specifics, and further details an understandings which require further studies, but the knowledge that fluid intelligence can be improved with cognitive training, is so accepted now that it is being used all over the world in education and business. Yet again you demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about. You need to just stop, man. Edited April 11, 2021 by Nuclear Wessel 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 11, 2021 #357 Share Posted April 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: Yet again you demonstrate that you don't know what you're talking about prove it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted April 11, 2021 #358 Share Posted April 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Xeno-Fish said: Sometimes when I read threads on here I imagine some who use the pages of the bible to roll a huge joint, just so they can get high off the word of god. (insert any religion of choice here). yep, done that...a few days later I had extreme respiratory problems. my doctor said it's the worst case of BS on the lungs he's ever seen 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr Walker Posted April 11, 2021 #360 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dejarma said: sorry you've lost me (probably my fault for not reading enough i guess)-- Faith/belief in what: God/s? No worries. First, weekly attendance at any church (of any faith) with a positive message, has the same quality of effect as faith in a positive religious form. This is NOT replicated in attendance at other social groups or sporting groups, although such membership may have a similar, lesser, effect. But, separately, faith or belief in any positive religion or spiritual system has the same effects on health without attending a church (eg on people in aged care homes)The two are separate but similar There are many studies with results similar to this, but many more with specific improvements in various aspects of health quote Death risk cut by 40 percent Prof. Idler and her collegues focused on the data gathered between 2004 and 2014 on more than 18,000 participants. The scientists applied Cox proportional hazards models to calculate the link between religious attendance and all-cause mortality during the decade studied. The researchers included variables such as religious attendance, the importance of religion, and religious affiliation. Gender, race or ethnicity, education, and income were also considered as potential determinants of health. They sum up the findings, saying, “After adjustment for confounders, attendance at religious services had a dose-response relationship with mortality, such that respondents who attended frequently [i.e., at least once a week] had a 40 [percent] lower hazard of mortality […] compared with those who never attended.” Additionally, even people who attended religious ceremonies less often also had a lower chance of dying prematurely, compared with those who did not take part in religious services at all. The researchers note that this positive effect on health was comparable with that of having a higher income. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320581 .......................................... There was one exception. However, those who considered religion “very” important had a 4 percent higher risk of mortality. All the associations found were independent of religious affiliation. I am not sure why that was and it wasn't explained However other studies have shown about a 6% negative correlation 84% positive, and about 10% no correlation The negative correlation is usually because the beliefs held are destructive, or are causing anxiety and stress. Edited April 11, 2021 by Mr Walker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted April 11, 2021 #361 Share Posted April 11, 2021 5 hours ago, Dejarma said: yep, done that...a few days later I had extreme respiratory problems. my doctor said it's the worst case of BS on the lungs he's ever seen That was a good one 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted April 11, 2021 #362 Share Posted April 11, 2021 10 hours ago, Mr Walker said: I should have remembered before we began this debate that you have a mind set which appears to require 100% mathematical proof before you accept anything new Ha, so I accuse you of essentially lying about what I think and you respond by lying about what I think. The above is something you 'remembered'? Thanks for yet more proof of how you just 'construct' memories out of convenience that have no basis in reality, not that it was ever much disputed. You're several layers deep now with your errors. This whole 'won't accept anything new' is another example of your confusion, you are confusing me with Nuclear who has previous experience with this topic and knew that at one point the general thinking was that fluid intelligence was largely immutable. I on the other hand had never really looked into the term 'fluid intelligence' before this conversation so I had no 'old' position to accept something 'new' for, it's all new. "You have failed to catch your mistake, you have made two errors...". 10 hours ago, Mr Walker said: In reality, however, you can never truly know anything with100% certainty Then you understand why I don't use the word 'proven' concerning the potential health benefits of spiritual beliefs that you asked about three sentences earlier. 10 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Cigarette companies once commissioned scientific studies that showed smoking was good for you but the vast majority of studies proved how dangerous it is Your state of mind would have had you believing that the damage of smoking had not been proven, Just can't help lying about me, I guess it's easier than answering my questions. You seem to think that determining the 'scientific proof' of a topic comes down to which position has more studies/articles you can find on the internet as I suspected, which makes sense since you have no expertise in analyzing them any deeper. You just don't seem to recognize how insufficient that superficial method is. I don't necessarily expect you to since you are not a scientist, it's just that many people logically incorporate 'but I'm not a scientist' to temper the certainty of their conclusions. But for whatever reason you have trouble with humility (and I'm already pretty sure what that 'whatever reason' is). 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted April 11, 2021 #363 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Well.... That's as solid and as foolproof as any form of intelligence could fluidly get to... consider this hypothesis fully tested, and conclusion proven as "true" ~ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted April 11, 2021 #364 Share Posted April 11, 2021 I don't think the question of Why are we here is important, so much at What we choose to do while we are here. We can run circles with the physical, philosophical and even metaphysical reason as to why. Which is just a quest for meaning to one's own existence. You exist for now, what will you do with that existence? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted April 11, 2021 #365 Share Posted April 11, 2021 (edited) On April 9, 2021 at 8:19 PM, jmccr8 said: Hi Liquid Gardens I did and had read all his posts. When I first encountered him after reading some comments about nuking undesirables(of which I could be interpreted as one of) and went into his profile and read every post he made from the day he joined before I actually engaged in a discussion with him so that I had a diverse although repetitive narration of his perspectives so that I could challenge his ideals. I have done that with several posters of interest like you, Eight Bits, Hammer and many more. jmccr8 . . Wow, you must be a speeeeeeeed reader ! I'm guessing that must be somewhere around 18 trillion words? ( Mr. W. ) Edited April 11, 2021 by lightly Trillion sounds funnier than billion did. .? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted April 13, 2021 #366 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 4/11/2021 at 3:33 AM, Mr Walker said: ah that explains it Yes the mind is an evolved product it requires a host body and brain for survival and operation but it's nature means it can potentially be recorded, stored, and duplicated both in machines/computers, and in other organic hosts (bodies/brains) It can become independent of it's ORIGINAL host body/brain but (as yet) will still require one to survive and evolve /learn grow. My next question is: when the transplanted mind wakes up, would it think: What the hell has happened?! Where am *I* now? Or would it just be an emulation of the mind that actually died? Like Linux is able to emulate Windows, but must certainly is not the same? Maybe I should put it differently: would it be YOU who woke up in another 'host', or would it be something very similar, but not the same as the original YOU. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted April 13, 2021 #367 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Abramelin said: Maybe I should put it differently: would it be YOU who woke up in another 'host', or would it be something very similar, but not the same as the original YOU. I think we've tread this idea before on here with Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted April 14, 2021 Author #368 Share Posted April 14, 2021 We are here to discover our true self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted April 14, 2021 #369 Share Posted April 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said: We are here to discover our true self. Speak for yourself--I'm here for the food. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted April 14, 2021 Author #370 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: Speak for yourself--I'm here for the food. The good food is just a reflection of your good self.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted April 14, 2021 #371 Share Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: We are here to discover our true self. Our self is just an illusion. You don't really exist. You're just a bunch of synapsis firing. We are all nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted April 15, 2021 #372 Share Posted April 15, 2021 (edited) What's sad to me`` what caused our emotions ? Edited April 15, 2021 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted April 15, 2021 #373 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: What's sad to me`` what cause our emotions ? https://www.noldus.com/blog/how-emotions-are-made Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted April 15, 2021 #374 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, Xeno-Fish said: https://www.noldus.com/blog/how-emotions-are-made even in the animals ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted April 15, 2021 #375 Share Posted April 15, 2021 1 minute ago, docyabut2 said: even in the animals ? What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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