Russia warns it will be 'the beginning of the end of Ukraine'

[Helen of Annoy]

23 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

When push comes to shove American, French, and British troops, are not going to be willing to fight Russians because it risks a nuclear supernova. And vice versa. If it comes down to it everyone will abandon Ukraine to avoid a moment of thermal nuclear glory.

Millions of Brits arent willing to die to help the Ukrainians.

 

You think surrendering preemptively would save you from radiation? 

 

No, Cookie. Your great ally Putin will incinerate you anyway. All that treason of yours and kissing oligarch ass and you still don't understand you are useful idiots. 

[Helen of Annoy]

By the way, Ukrainian President Zelensky and French President Macron discussed speeding up of Ukraine's accession to NATO.

I know everyone literate already knows that, I just want to rub Brexiter noses into the fact that they'll need a bigger bucket to carry water for their Putin. 

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Your great ally Putin will incinerate you anyway.

An Den?  An What?  We've lived with that potential reality for the 60 years I've been around.  Part of the reason it hasn't happened YET is down to not intentionally butting heads.  I think Little Vlad is a mafia boss who's also got a "short man's" attitude.  He isn't a religious extremist, he's a thug who likes power but also wants riches.  THAT kind of evil has a history of wanting to stay alive to enjoy it.

If the dwellers of the Rodina want to bleed and die for more land in Ukraine and the Ukrainians are willing to do the same to KEEP THEIR land then let them fight.  It isn't like wars are an uncommon occurrence among human beings.  Who knows?  Maybe our Potato-in-Chief will continue to follow the policies of that Bad Orange Man you have such vitriol for.  You know, the one who supplied LETHAL AID to Ukraine rather than MREs and blankets?  

All wars end when people grow weary enough of the carnage.  Putin and Xi KNOW what Biden is and they also KNOW he isn't calling the shots.  The Tan Messiah is the guy with the veto power over America's first Politburo.  They don't respect him anymore than they do the P-i-C but they know they can manipulate a fractured command structure due to the hesitation involved in reaching decisions.  A situation like that is absolutely fraught with opportunities for miscalculation and a stumbling kind of escalation.  

Nuclear war will come eventually, no need to rush it because of Oligarchs fighting over spoils.

[+Hammerclaw]

We should let the Slavs duke it out and stay the frak out of it.

[Duke Wellington]

9 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 

You think surrendering preemptively would save you from radiation? 

 

No, Cookie. Your great ally Putin will incinerate you anyway. All that treason of yours and kissing oligarch ass and you still don't understand you are useful idiots. 

Thats not what I said.

I said we arent going to fight and die in someone else`s war that escalates into a nuclear exchange. If the EU wants to spread its influence east to guard its border and wants to play games doing it in Ukraine, let it deal with Russia.

Edited April 17, 2021 by Cookie Monster

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Thats not what I said.

I said we arent going to fight and die in someone else`s war that escalates into a nuclear exchange. If the EU wants to spread its influence east to guard its border and wants to play games doing it in Ukraine, let it deal with Russia.

So you'll have to exit NATO too, not just the EU. If you want to play by your 19th century isolationism book. And you will still act like you can't understand why everyone knows you're Putin's b****es. 

The EU is not spreading its "influence east", because Ukraine is Europe. Deal with it. 

[Helen of Annoy]

6 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

We should let the Slavs duke it out and stay the frak out of it.

Ah, no. 

If you didn't meddle at all, then yes, certainly, keep minding your own business. 

But you don't get to end your history of helping Russian regimes establish their hegemony in Eastern Europe with simply putting your tail between your legs and let Slavs mop up the consequences of your actions.  

Your structures owe Eastern Europe exculpation of your sin of supporting USSR when you could have help us get rid of that hell on Earth, or at least not help USSR establish far more influence than it would have on its own merit. 

[Helen of Annoy]

8 hours ago, and then said:

An Den?  An What?  We've lived with that potential reality for the 60 years I've been around.  Part of the reason it hasn't happened YET is down to not intentionally butting heads.  I think Little Vlad is a mafia boss who's also got a "short man's" attitude.  He isn't a religious extremist, he's a thug who likes power but also wants riches.  THAT kind of evil has a history of wanting to stay alive to enjoy it.

If the dwellers of the Rodina want to bleed and die for more land in Ukraine and the Ukrainians are willing to do the same to KEEP THEIR land then let them fight.  It isn't like wars are an uncommon occurrence among human beings.  Who knows?  Maybe our Potato-in-Chief will continue to follow the policies of that Bad Orange Man you have such vitriol for.  You know, the one who supplied LETHAL AID to Ukraine rather than MREs and blankets?  

All wars end when people grow weary enough of the carnage.  Putin and Xi KNOW what Biden is and they also KNOW he isn't calling the shots.  The Tan Messiah is the guy with the veto power over America's first Politburo.  They don't respect him anymore than they do the P-i-C but they know they can manipulate a fractured command structure due to the hesitation involved in reaching decisions.  A situation like that is absolutely fraught with opportunities for miscalculation and a stumbling kind of escalation.  

Nuclear war will come eventually, no need to rush it because of Oligarchs fighting over spoils.

Nuclear war won't come, most likely, almost certainly. 

The oligarchs whose spokesperson Putin is are not interested in dying, they're interested in enjoying their wealth. 

So thank God for Biden who apparently knows how to read them and respond in the most efficient manner. 

 

You don't get to lure Jesus back, he will come when he thinks it's right and he himself says (read the New Testament) that no one knows or can know the exact time of his return. 

On the other hand, if anyone can set the doomsday off, yeah, that would be my people. We're psychotic beyond your imagination  

[Eldorado]

Russia will restrict the navigation of foreign military and official ships in parts of the Black Sea until October, a Russian news agency reported Friday, a move that was swiftly condemned by Ukraine and the EU.

Tensions between Moscow and Kiev have escalated in recent weeks following an uptick in fighting between Ukraine's army and pro-Russia separatists in eastern Ukraine.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/16/russia-to-close-parts-of-black-sea-for-6-months-a73627

Europe on Alert as Russia Steps Up Aggressive Spying

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2021/04/16/europe-on-alert-as-russia-steps-up-aggressive-spying-a73625

[Duke Wellington]

14 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Nuclear war won't come, most likely, almost certainly. 

The oligarchs whose spokesperson Putin is are not interested in dying, they're interested in enjoying their wealth. 

So thank God for Biden who apparently knows how to read them and respond in the most efficient manner. 

 

You don't get to lure Jesus back, he will come when he thinks it's right and he himself says (read the New Testament) that no one knows or can know the exact time of his return. 

On the other hand, if anyone can set the doomsday off, yeah, that would be my people. We're psychotic beyond your imagination  

Russians are as interested in dying in a nuclear exchange as Brits, French, and Americans.

They wont fight each other if Russia goes into the Ukraine. All that will happen is NATO will try to grab its share too.

[DarkHunter]

Currently Russia is expected to have 56 battalions on the Ukranian border.  Or to put it in a different way, a bit over 100,000 soldiers, thousands of armored vehicles of all types (including artillery), hundreds of fighters, bombers, and helicopters, and a decent size naval presence in the black sea.  

Images from the breakaway regions are showing Russian soldiers painting invasion stripes onto their armored vehicles while there was apparently intercepted communication between the Russians and the Separatists about Russia using artillery strikes to try and bait the Ukranians into counter fire so they can start the active phase.

[Trelane]

2 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

Currently Russia is expected to have 56 battalions on the Ukranian border.  Or to put it in a different way, a bit over 100,000 soldiers, thousands of armored vehicles of all types (including artillery), hundreds of fighters, bombers, and helicopters, and a decent size naval presence in the black sea.  

Images from the breakaway regions are showing Russian soldiers painting invasion stripes onto their armored vehicles while there was apparently intercepted communication between the Russians and the Separatists about Russia using artillery strikes to try and bait the Ukranians into counter fire so they can start the active phase.

The heavy use of artillery was also their primary tactic with Georgia.

[Eldorado]

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Trelane said:

The heavy use of artillery was also their primary tactic with Georgia.

Its a normal tactic for the opening of an offensive along with Air attacks. During confusion of the initial attack and while the artillery is still firing their Armor is moving forward once the armor reaches the LD, the artillery will stop. It is a normal tactic used by most mobile Mechanized Armor divisions. Then they do the old leap frog technique as the tanks move forward the Artillery will start firing again to soften up the road ahead. 

However, I suspect that unlike Georgia this time they will not be unopposed, because as we speak NATO is preparing and making plans for a Russian invasion.

At this point we can only hope Putin Blinks, because if he doesn't it going to get very messy.  But, in the end Russia will get the worst of any engagement, and this why I don't think Putin will Jump!

JIMO

[Saru]

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Enough with the bickering and personal insults, folks.

[Grim Reaper 6]

On 4/17/2021 at 5:25 PM, Helen of Annoy said:

Nuclear war won't come, most likely, almost certainly. 

The oligarchs whose spokesperson Putin is are not interested in dying, they're interested in enjoying their wealth. 

So thank God for Biden who apparently knows how to read them and respond in the most efficient manner. 

 

You don't get to lure Jesus back, he will come when he thinks it's right and he himself says (read the New Testament) that no one knows or can know the exact time of his return. 

On the other hand, if anyone can set the doomsday off, yeah, that would be my people. We're psychotic beyond your imagination  

Its better to save your breath, because no matter how correct you are the ones your responding to will not listen. I mean why should they listen to you when they have already learned their ground tactics from movies like Battle of the Bulge and Saving Private Ryan, I mean watching those movies you can almost smell the smoke, not!!!

Take Care my Sister!

Edited April 18, 2021 by Manwon Lender

[Grim Reaper 6]

20 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Of course I don't like what I'm reading, it's so stupid and irrational there's no point at all in trying to talk to you. 

But aggressive idiots should never be ignored, they tend to think they've achieved something with their aggressive idiocy. 

Therefore: 

Firstly, you solicited my response by spreading pro-Putinesque propaganda according to which the US could and should detach from Europe. (Though you're right Europe is nothing but trouble - look what devolved out of Europeans in the US.)

Secondly, I know you're morbidly egotist, but your mental disorder means jack **** to politics and it's also devastatingly stupid to try translating your personal mental disorder into an actual political platform, like Trump did.  

You can't be not embroiled in anyone's affairs anymore, not since wheel was invented and especially not today, when an isolated country cannot exist.

It's not just stupid, it's literally impossible to stay isolated. 

So the question is not if Putin's idea to coax the stupider Americans into pursuing imaginary isolation is viable, it's not, the question is was your choice of allies right. 

Since Putin has no allies, only useful idiots and temporary associates, only an useful idiot would honestly mistake him for an ally.  

Hello my Sister, I know it is difficult to communicate with people who are sitting at home insulated from the reality of a War. They just sit in front of the TV with no worries in the world, and then they post very insensitive comments and offer their useless opinions about something they know nothing about. I would like to give most of these people the bennifit of doubt, because I think that they forget that they are posting on a international forum and that we have members here who very easily end in the line of Fire. There is one thing I can say, from all accounts NATO has made preparations. Now I realize that the armchair warriors well say things like, well if Russia attacks, NATO will not be able to react and move troops there fast enough. In that respect they are most likely correct, it will take time to move Soldiers to the battle field.

But their they don't understand what determines who wins a conflict and who loses a conflict. The most important thing that will determine the winner very quickly has nothing to do with Tanks, Artillery, or Mechanized Infantry. This entire engagement will be decided by one thing (.AIR SUPERIORITY ) whoever achieves it and can maintain it will win the conflict. This is what NATO is planning as we speak. By achieving it NATO will have all the time necessary to assist the UKraine by supplying Mechanized Infantry, Armorm forces, and Artillery. However in all honesty if NATO achieves Air Superiority more than likely, ground forces will not even be needed. Because the Ukrainians are not push overs. So with Aiir Superiority supplied by NATO and the Mechanized.Infantry, Artillery, Armored and Air Forces they already have more than likely NATO Ground Troops may not ever be required.  Here is a link to the Ukrainian Military equipment currently on hand and operational.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Ukrainian_Ground_Forces

So like .I said my Sister, and I already know you know this, but pay no attention to the Arm chair Warriors that have only old fought battles that were caused by having to get up and go to the kitchen for another beer, I mean those hallways can be treacherous!

Take Care.

                

[Silver]

On 4/9/2021 at 4:53 PM, Cookie Monster said:

Is now an appropriate time for Britain to get its own back on the EU and refuse to bolster its eastern flank?

Get it's own back? For what? What has the EU done? 

[Grim Reaper 6]

20 minutes ago, ted hughes said:

Get it's own back? For what? What has the EU done? 

He doesn't know, he's a Cookie Monster!

Edited April 18, 2021 by Manwon Lender

[Silver]

9 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

He doesn't know, he a Cokkie Monster!

He's advocating abandoning NATO.

And abandoning our allies to a sneak attack.

So Brexit apparently hasn't isolated us enough? 

When is this Mars colonisation starting, we may have some volunteers.

[Grim Reaper 6]

Just now, ted hughes said:

He's advocating abandoning NATO.

And abandoning our allies to a sneak attack.

So Brexit apparently hasn't isolated us enough? 

When is this Mars colonisation starting, we may have some volunteers.

You have excuse him, I dont think he even knows what he is saying because he is a space cowboy.

 

[NE1]

23 hours ago, Eldorado said:

 

Suppose at least one member of NATO has to take Russia to task for their actions recently considering the U.S have bottled sending their warships to the Black Sea.

[Eldorado]

 

[Eldorado]

Over the past day, April 22, the armed formations of the Russian Federation violated the ceasefire in the Joint Forces Operation area in eastern Ukraine 17 times.

"In particular, the occupiers fired 82mm and 120mm mortars near Pivdenne (40km north-east of Donetsk) and Zaitseve (62km north-east of Donetsk); easel antitank grenade launchers – outside Krasnohorivka (21km west of Donetsk); antitank missile system and 120mm mortars – near Shumy (41km north of Donetsk)," the press center of the JFO Headquarters reports.

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-defense/3233476-russian-invaders-violate-ceasefire-in-eastern-ukraine-17-times.html