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How does America's gun violence cycle end?

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Manwon Lender

At President Joe Biden's direction, flags have again been ordered to fly at half-staff. It marks yet another grim tragedy, two weeks after President Biden made the same order to mark another mass shooting. This time, it's to observe a mass shooting in Indianapolis that left eight dead. It comes after a week of anger, protest and hurt around two police-involved shootings of a Black man and a Latino boy in Minneapolis and Chicago, and all during the trial of ex-Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin for the death of George Floyd. Gun violence is an epidemic in America. But we should not accept it." Despite these earnest calls for action, it's not yet clear how -- or if -- Congress will act.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-does-americas-gun-violence-cycle-end/ar-BB1fJzdI

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19 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

At President Joe Biden's direction, flags have again been ordered to fly at half-staff. It marks yet another grim tragedy, two weeks after President Biden made the same order to mark another mass shooting. This time, it's to observe a mass shooting in Indianapolis that left eight dead. It comes after a week of anger, protest and hurt around two police-involved shootings of a Black man and a Latino boy in Minneapolis and Chicago, and all during the trial of ex-Minneapolis Police officer Derek Chauvin for the death of George Floyd. Gun violence is an epidemic in America. But we should not accept it." Despite these earnest calls for action, it's not yet clear how -- or if -- Congress will act.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/how-does-americas-gun-violence-cycle-end/ar-BB1fJzdI

I've noticed that at the beginning term of each few President's, the mass shootings begin anew.

I suppose the shooter wants to be the one to have their name associated with guns being banned or something like that, it seems that way, anyway.

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Manwon Lender
4 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

I've noticed that at the beginning term of each few President's, the mass shootings begin anew.

I suppose the shooter wants to be the one to have there name associated with guns being banned or something like that, it seems that way, anyway.

I am uncertain why they begin all over again,.But until the United States realizes that the main issue is a mental health it will never end. 

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South Alabam
5 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I am uncertain why they begin all over again,. But until the United States realizes that the main issue is a mental health it will never end. 

Take care.

Well some States do have red flag laws, which takes a judge to enact based on witnesses statement of the gun owners actions, state of mind, etc..  and the weapons are returned at a later date.

That seems to be maybe a partial fix for mental health, and even the NRA has been open to red flag laws with conditions, and it is members raising the concern against, from what I have read.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with red flag laws, just saying.

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I don't know if acts at the single person acting alone level can ever be stopped. There will always be angry individuals with mental health issues. And fortunately only a tiny percentage of those will ever go off big.  

The media with its excessive focus on past cases actually nourishes the seed in the minds of those few angry individuals with mental health issues.

Making access to weapons more difficult and eliminating automatic weapons from public purchase will help some of the more spontaneous actions.

We need to not give these events excessive focus and just accept that  they will randomly occur like earthquakes, hurricanes and the like. Overpublicizing and feeding fear is counter-productive.

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2 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I don't know if acts at the single person acting alone level can ever be stopped. There will always be angry individuals with mental health issues. And fortunately only a tiny percentage of those will ever go off big.  

The media with its excessive focus on past cases actually nourishes the seed in the minds of those few angry individuals with mental health issues.

Making access to weapons more difficult and eliminating automatic weapons from public purchase will help some of the more spontaneous actions.

We need to not give these events excessive focus and just accept that  they will randomly occur like earthquakes, hurricanes and the like. Overpublicizing and feeding fear is counter-productive.

The right to keep and bear arms (often referred to as the right to bear arms) is a right for people to possess weapons (arms) for their own defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms

The Communists are the only ones that want this changed, can't think why though.:whistle:

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1 minute ago, Dreamer screamer said:

The right to keep and bear arms (often referred to as the right to bear arms) is a right for people to possess weapons (arms) for their own defense.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms

The Communists are the only ones that want this changed, can't think why though.:whistle:

I hear that. Then I think we have to expect these mass shootings by angry individuals with mental health issues to occur too often . That is my point. Automatic weapons should be banned for individuals I feel.

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13 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

I hear that. Then I think we have to expect these mass shootings by angry individuals with mental health issues to occur too often . That is my point. Automatic weapons should be banned for individuals I feel.

Why do you think these people are shooting with mental health issues?   When I started to see these shootings, they were very strange indeed.   Is something; someone planning these shootings to get the herd of communists together to end guns?

The idea if everyone had guns, would there be no violence??? 

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6 minutes ago, Dreamer screamer said:

Why do you think these people are shooting with mental health issues?   When I started to see these shootings, they were very strange indeed.   Is something; someone planning these shootings to get the herd of communists together to end guns?

The idea if everyone had guns, would there be no violence??? 

Nope, I don't think these typical mass shootings are politically motivated.

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23 minutes ago, Dreamer screamer said:

Why do you think these people are shooting with mental health issues?   When I started to see these shootings, they were very strange indeed.   Is something; someone planning these shootings to get the herd of communists together to end guns?

The idea if everyone had guns, would there be no violence??? 

Because most of them are. People that have done gone off the deep end and shoulda' had there asses locked up in a mental asylum. And law enforcement not enforcing the current gun laws doesn't help either. They're lax these days when it comes to mentally ill people or they just shoot them.

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18 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

Nope, I don't think these typical mass shootings are politically motivated.

I think they were very politically motivated.  Everything in America is about politics, because America is a corporation.  They got people fighting for left and right when they're both hte same wings on the same bird.

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1 hour ago, South Alabam said:

and the weapons are returned at a later date.

That isn't exactly accurate.  In reality, people have to jump through hoops, hire lawyers and usually spend as much or more than buying new guns would cost.  Those laws also effectively remove, summarily, most of that person's rights without any kind of proof.  ALL of that is done because someone picked up a phone or sent a text or email accusing another person of being unstable.  

Anyone who supports those abominations should remember that one day that knock on the door could be for THEM.  

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1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

eliminating automatic weapons from public purchase

Can you please define what an "automatic weapon" is?

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1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

Overpublicizing and feeding fear is counter-productive.

It depends on the goal of those spreading the fear-porn.  IMO, our sick, amoral culture that has increasingly devalued life of all kinds of people has led to where we are today.  The media grow rich pushing these stories and stirring resentments of one group against another.  IMO they have become an evil far greater than a single person who snaps and kills strangers.  

I believe the corporate media owners know full-well what they are doing.

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50 minutes ago, Dreamer screamer said:

I think they were very politically motivated.  Everything in America is about politics, because America is a corporation.  They got people fighting for left and right when they're both hte same wings on the same bird.

Man, well I guess all those people that shot themselves in the end or died by cop were really politically motivated huh? Yeah that there is some strong communist motivation. Yeah that makes total sense.

7 minutes ago, and then said:

That isn't exactly accurate.  In reality, people have to jump through hoops, hire lawyers and usually spend as much or more than buying new guns would cost.  Those laws also effectively remove, summarily, most of that person's rights without any kind of proof.  ALL of that is done because someone picked up a phone or sent a text or email accusing another person of being unstable.  

Anyone who supports those abominations should remember that one day that knock on the door could be for THEM.  

But the thing is, And Then, if an individual goes making terroristic threats it's all the proof they really need. How do authorities know if an individual is not going to follow through with their threats? Are they serious or are they joking? So maybe it would be a good idea for people to not make terroristic threats, that way, they wouldn't haven't to worry about getting arrested and their guns confiscated.

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What is interesting is that violent crime has consistently trended downwards the last couple decades.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

Yet mass shootings have trended upwards. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

I have no ideas why. Just things to think about. 

 

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2 hours ago, Gunn said:

if an individual goes making terroristic threats it's all the proof they really need.

I agree, completely.  But let's be realistic, shall we?  I've been on this site for a few years and I have NEVER, EVER threatened anyone.  I have OFTEN been referred to as "threatening violence" and other such libels.  I think you'll find that once these laws are in place, especially if it's at the Federal level, people who enforce them will take a huge amount of license in "interpreting" what people "really meant" with otherwise non-threatening language.  

Look at what is being done to the people who protested at the Capitol.  No... there will be no equity or rationality attached to these laws.  They will be used to take down people whose greatest sin is to call out the Left for their crimes, publicly.  The media will cheer it on and at some point, the people being singled out in such a way will have enough and fight back.  

If a family or other concerned acquaintances report behavior that can be PROVEN to be mental illness THEN taking away that person's weapons would be justified.  Doing so on an accusation alone is unacceptable and will and SHOULD be fought.  

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How does gun violence end?

It doesn't.  Only way it could end is for all guns to suddenly disappear and that's obviously not going to happen..

Best you can hope for is to minimize it.... but humans are violent critters and violence is still glamourized and made to look cool by authors, video-game makers, movie makers and music stars.

Making violence as socially unacceptable as loudly farting at a funeral taboo is our only hope.

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18 minutes ago, Eldorado said:

How does gun violence end?

It doesn't.  Only way it could end is for all guns to suddenly disappear and that's obviously not going to happen..

Best you can hope for is to minimize it.... but humans are violent critters and violence is still glamourized and made to look cool by authors, video-game makers, movie makers and music stars.

Making violence as socially unacceptable as loudly farting at a funeral taboo is our only hope.

it's called peace. it's called people living in peace and not getting divided by stupid isms and ists.   Then everyone can have guns because no one would ever shoot anyone ever again.

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1 hour ago, and then said:

I agree, completely.  But let's be realistic, shall we?  I've been on this site for a few years and I have NEVER, EVER threatened anyone.  I have OFTEN been referred to as "threatening violence" and other such libels.  I think you'll find that once these laws are in place, especially if it's at the Federal level, people who enforce them will take a huge amount of license in "interpreting" what people "really meant" with otherwise non-threatening language.  

Look at what is being done to the people who protested at the Capitol.  No... there will be no equity or rationality attached to these laws.  They will be used to take down people whose greatest sin is to call out the Left for their crimes, publicly.  The media will cheer it on and at some point, the people being singled out in such a way will have enough and fight back.  

If a family or other concerned acquaintances report behavior that can be PROVEN to be mental illness THEN taking away that person's weapons would be justified.  Doing so on an accusation alone is unacceptable and will and SHOULD be fought.  

I feel like it would be similar to how people get pink slipped to pysch wards now when deemed a threat to themselves or others.

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4 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

What is interesting is that violent crime has consistently trended downwards the last couple decades.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

Yet mass shootings have trended upwards. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/811487/number-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us/

I have no ideas why. Just things to think about. 

 

I think it might be to do with the whole “gentle release versus torrential burst” model. A dam can withstand tonnes of water pressure, unless all those tonnes come all at once. You can get 100mm of rain over a day and get a few puddles or 100mm of rain in a few minutes and have a disaster. 
Basically, we’ve lost our outlets for violence EXCEPT extreme acts of distraction. 
Furthermore, our culture has seemed to have moved from a “I support my community” model to “my community supports me” model. 

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9 hours ago, South Alabam said:

Well some States do have red flag laws, which takes a judge to enact based on witnesses statement of the gun owners actions, state of mind, etc..  and the weapons are returned at a later date.

That seems to be maybe a partial fix for mental health, and even the NRA has been open to red flag laws with conditions, and it is members raising the concern against, from what I have read.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with red flag laws, just saying.

Below, is some information I looked up on the subject and it certainly shows that there is serious mental health checks ad part o the Background investigation when you purchase a firearm, in fact the system they use is so broken that it is useless: 

Yes there is a data base the NICS uses that covers mental issues that is part of the gun buyers background check. But the system is broke, check it out for yourself I will include links and information below.

Basically Guns, unless your arrested and determined to have mental health issues and your committed to a Mental Health Facility by a Judge NICS will have no record of a personals mental illness. That why I made the statement below.

I think it should be mandatory that during a persons background check that you allow the Government to have access to your doctors so that a persons medical records can be screened. In addition everyone who has registered weapons would also need to be screened for mental health issues. I have little doubt that this will not occur in the near future, and I also have little doubt people will get their panties in a bunch because of it. But, I honestly I do not see another way to deal with the problems that are occurring, and few would argue that those committing these crimes are not in some way mentally ill. )

8. Adjudicated Mental Health: 46,266

Disqualifying mental health records form the second-largest body of records held by the NICS Indices. Simply receiving a diagnosis of a severe mental illness like schizophrenia is not enough to bar an American from gun ownership  a judge must legally declare a person mentally unfit to own a gun or involuntarily commit him or her to a mental institution.

Though NICS does have access to a large number of disqualifying mental health records, an unknown number of cases are still not reported. In the case of the gunman who opened fire at a movie theater Lafayette, Louisiana, in July 2015, a judge considered his severe mental health problems in 2008, but doctors ultimately did not recommend that he be involuntarily committed. Even if they had, Georgia law would have required the purging of any records of that commitment by 2013, before the man purchased his

The 12 Reasons Why Americans Fail Gun Background Checks (thetrace.org)

How the NICS Background Check Looks at Mental Health / Mental Health Background Checks For Permit Applications 

Mental Health Background Checks For Permit Applications (aliengearholster

Take care my Friend and I hope this gives you a better picture of the problem that currently exists::tu:

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The father of a teenager who was charged with bringing an AK-47 assault rifle into New York’s Times Square subway station was reportedly killed in a police shootout last month.

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16 hours ago, and then said:

I agree, completely.  But let's be realistic, shall we?  I've been on this site for a few years and I have NEVER, EVER threatened anyone.  I have OFTEN been referred to as "threatening violence" and other such libels.  I think you'll find that once these laws are in place, especially if it's at the Federal level, people who enforce them will take a huge amount of license in "interpreting" what people "really meant" with otherwise non-threatening language.  

Look at what is being done to the people who protested at the Capitol.  No... there will be no equity or rationality attached to these laws.  They will be used to take down people whose greatest sin is to call out the Left for their crimes, publicly.  The media will cheer it on and at some point, the people being singled out in such a way will have enough and fight back.  

If a family or other concerned acquaintances report behavior that can be PROVEN to be mental illness THEN taking away that person's weapons would be justified.  Doing so on an accusation alone is unacceptable and will and SHOULD be fought.  

Honestly not enough is being done to the idiots who rioted inside the United States Capital. They should all be charged with the maximum charges by law, found guilty and  placed in Prison. The Capital was not their house, and those who said that it only proved that their educational level could not be above the 6th Grade. The Capital belongs to all the American People, but not to a bunch of idiots who decided to storm it and vandalize it.

Those people while they are Americans, they are also the bottom feeders of the American Society. Only a dam fool would conduct themselves like those people did, I mean how totally ignorant does someone have to be to vandalize, attack police officers, and to steal property that belongs to all Americans WHILE they are in Camera. :w00t:  I mean what did these complete retards expect, that Trump would come to there rescue!:lol::P:D 

I really don't understand your comments above, you act like these people are Hero's:no: All I can say is your priorities and values are very screwed up and it is nothing to be proud of!:(

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