Why Gun Control is Now a Matter of National Security

[Grim Reaper 6]

For all the tragic mass-shooting headlines this year, the American gun-control debate seems permanently stuck. Last week, nine people were killed by AR-15 fire in Indianapolis; before that, 10 died in Boulder, and eight in Atlanta. Despite the anguish over the past montn. But as National Security Council veterans who have specialized in counterterrorism — with direct experience involving far-right American terrorism, in the 1990s — we also see a new threat rising. Increasingly, as militias acquire and stockpile weapons, they’re turning guns from a public-health concern into a threat to national security.

As America learned on January 6, anti-government militia groups are more than willing to jump walls, break doors, and disrupt the underpinnings of our democracy. These groups, with transnational ties, also enjoy easy access to high-powered, high-capacity, small-caliber semiautomatic weapons — many of which can be converted to full automatic.

Why Gun Control is Now a Matter of National Security (msn.com)

[+and-then]

"It is that they make mass-casualty attacks against political or cultural adversaries both easy to carry out, and easy to frame as inspirational events of the kind that mobilize insurrection".

First, no such mass attacks have happened, YET, and the sick, sad irony is that the Democrat party seems hell-bent on criminalizing a Constitutional RIGHT.  There is only ONE Party that is selling fear porn and it isn't average American 2A supporters.  It isn't enough to paint millions of law-abiding gun owners as a "public health threat", NOW they are using rhetoric, including blatant lies, to get Americans used to hearing about so-called "domestic terrorists" and painting gun owners as a national security threat - even while acknowledging that "militias" are absolutely no tangible threat to our military or our nation in general.  

It almost seems like they are trying to create a self-fulfilling "prophecy"    

[+OverSword]

Ridiculous. 

[toast]

16 minutes ago, and then said:

even while acknowledging that "militias" are absolutely no tangible threat to our military or our nation in general. 

January 6, 2021

[+and-then]

5 minutes ago, toast said:

January 6, 2021

  Were you aware that after months of calling 1/6 an "Insurrection", not ONE charge was levied as "Insurrection"?  That not ONE gun was brandished, let alone fired at anyone?  All this article does is push propaganda in the hopes of swaying more Americans  to be fearful of guns.  It's a waste of their time.  Those who fear guns in the hands of average citizens are many fewer than media would have you believe.  In fact, 2A is one of the few truly bipartisan issues here.  

By selling 2A as a threat to America, they hope to create a groundswell that will make it easier if/when they actually try confiscation.  They've been spectacular failures.  2020 and its violence, riots and so on, sold record numbers of guns, nearly half of which were purchased by first-time gun owners, predominately from districts controlled by Democrats.  IOW, the Dems aren't convincing anyone to fear guns, they're actually accomplishing the opposite with their blue-city riots, burning, and looting.

It appears that even hard core Democrats in inner-cities can see where this violence is headed in Dem controlled jurisdictions.  People aren't stupid and they aren't so blind to the politics that they'll risk their lives and the lives of their families just to push an agenda.

[Golden Duck]

1 hour ago, and then said:

IOW, the Dems aren't convincing anyone to fear guns, they're actually accomplishing the opposite with their blue-city riots, burning, and looting.

IOW, dem Dems are convincing people to be scared; and, it's reflected in arms sales.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, Golden Duck said:

dem Dems are convincing people to be scared;

Call it as you like.  Bottom line is millions of people in blue cities and states are buying guns FOR THE FIRST TIME and it began during the riots in those cities.  That tells me that  the gun control lobby is losing ground, not gaining it.

[Golden Duck]

3 hours ago, and then said:

Call it as you like.  Bottom line is millions of people in blue cities and states are buying guns FOR THE FIRST TIME and it began during the riots in those cities.  That tells me that  the gun control lobby is losing ground, not gaining it.

Top line, right?

[+OverSword]

self snip

Edited April 23, 2021 by OverSword

[Myles]

I'd like to buy a couple more guns but I really don't need any.   They are a good investment though.   Won't go down in value.  

[Gunn]

4 hours ago, Myles said:

I'd like to buy a couple more guns but I really don't need any.   They are a good investment though.   Won't go down in value.  

They really are great investments. I've got some old popular semi-auto rifles that my dad bought years ago during the 10 year assault rifle ban, that have skyrocketed now to nearly a thousand dollars a piece. At the time, when he bought all those guns, he only paid like 100 to 300 dollars a piece for them. I can't believe how much they've gone up in price. It's like owning land.

[Grim Reaper 6]

16 hours ago, Gunn said:

They really are great investments. I've got some old popular semi-auto rifles that my dad bought years ago during the 10 year assault rifle ban, that have skyrocketed now to nearly a thousand dollars a piece. At the time, when he bought all those guns, he only paid like 100 to 300 dollars a piece for them. I can't believe how much they've gone up in price. It's like owning land.

Yea that was a great idea, and I did something similar in the 1970s. I purchased 3 M1 Carbines from the 1950s, that were Semi-Automatic original military issue and marked for $90 a piece. They were brand new and still covered with Cosmoline, I still have all 3 to this day, they are currently in storage in Washington, State. I have only fired one them, and the dam thing was very accurate, I doubt I will ever sell any of them!!!!!

But, I have no idea what they are worth today!

Edited April 24, 2021 by Manwon Lender

[Duke Wellington]

On 4/23/2021 at 5:33 AM, Manwon Lender said:

For all the tragic mass-shooting headlines this year, the American gun-control debate seems permanently stuck. Last week, nine people were killed by AR-15 fire in Indianapolis; before that, 10 died in Boulder, and eight in Atlanta. Despite the anguish over the past montn. But as National Security Council veterans who have specialized in counterterrorism — with direct experience involving far-right American terrorism, in the 1990s — we also see a new threat rising. Increasingly, as militias acquire and stockpile weapons, they’re turning guns from a public-health concern into a threat to national security.

As America learned on January 6, anti-government militia groups are more than willing to jump walls, break doors, and disrupt the underpinnings of our democracy. These groups, with transnational ties, also enjoy easy access to high-powered, high-capacity, small-caliber semiautomatic weapons — many of which can be converted to full automatic.

Why Gun Control is Now a Matter of National Security (msn.com)

In the UK we maybe get one incident every decade.

Pistols are banned because someone could go through a lot of people before they are stopped. Still, I dont think they should be banned, maybe ban magazine and revolver pistols instead allowing owners to only manually load in 2 shots at a time.

Assault rifles are banned if they are automatic weapons. If they are semi automatic they are limited to .22LR. If they arent automatic then its .504. We class both as hunting rifles. A hunting rifle with .44 or .504 calibre is going to down most large game in 1 shot. Maybe not a buffalo but deer and mouse dont stand a chance.

I dont know the laws in the US about criminal offenders and the mentality ill possessing firearms. But controls need to be tight.

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

In the UK we maybe get one incident every decade.

Pistols are banned because someone could go through a lot of people before they are stopped. Still, I dont think they should be banned, maybe ban magazine and revolver pistols instead allowing owners to only manually load in 2 shots at a time.

Assault rifles are banned if they are automatic weapons. If they are semi automatic they are limited to .22LR. If they arent automatic then its .504. We class both as hunting rifles. A hunting rifle with .44 or .504 calibre is going to down most large game in 1 shot. Maybe not a buffalo but deer and mouse dont stand a chance.

I dont know the laws in the US about criminal offenders and the mentality ill possessing firearms. But controls need to be tight.

I totally agree man, controls do need to be very tight and in the US they certainly are not as evidenced by all the mass shootings. 

Peace bro

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

I totally agree man, controls do need to be very tight and in the US they certainly are not as evidenced by all the mass shootings. 

Peace bro

To criticise the USA I would focus on two areas:

The over medication of its population instead of prompt mental health treatment. I dont believe in state healthcare, but state psychiatric hospitals are a must. People need to be removed from society until they are treated, not drugged up and sent back out.

The mental health epidemic in the USA (and its the same in the UK and Germany) is in part down to poor coping mechanisms amongst our populations. As children go through school they are not taught about how their minds work and how to manage them. It needs to change otherwise you get too many citizens who cannot cope with what life throws at them when older.

Life has its good moments but it also has its negative ones. It has its ones where people find out they are not the best, that they cannot have everything they want in life, that there are people who dont like them, that people do have a darker side, and that things do go wrong instead of some fairy tale magical existence. People need grounding in reality and given the coping mechanisms to deal with it at a young age.

It reduces the number of people that snap and decide to go on a mass shooting.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Cookie Monster

[toast]

8 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The mental health epidemic in the USA (and its the same in the UK and Germany)

I have no idea what you are talking about. Like you.

[Gunn]

4 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Yea that was a great idea, and I did something similar in the 1970s. I purchased 3 M1 Carbines from the 1950s, that were Semi-Automatic original military issue and marked for $90 a piece. They were brand new and still covered with Cosmoline, I still have all 3 to this day, they are currently in storage in Washington, State. I have only fired one them, and the dam thing was very accurate, I doubt I will ever sell any of them!!!!!

But, I have no idea what they are worth today!

You might be pleasantly surprised. Right now I can't remember exactly their worth, last time I looked, but they're worth three times than want you payed for them way back then. And if you happened to have bought a M1 Garand back then, you'll be really surprised how much they're worth now. I've seen all those military issue on the net for sale many times. That's how I found out their worth. Yeah those M1 Carbines are surprisingly accurate and they seem to be lighter than a modern .22. Easy to carry. Makes varmit hunting a snap.

 

Edit to add: Ah-ha! Never mind, I checked again out of curiosity. Check it out, Manwon;

https://shopkahrfirearmsgroup.com/auto-ordnance/long-guns/m1-carbine/

https://www.guns.com/search?keyword=M1 carbine

Wow! Man you're rich now!

2 hours ago, toast said:

I have no idea what you are talking about. Like you.

Yo man, he's saying you still got nutcases over there wanting do everybody harm like we do over here. But I'll bet your mental health system is a helluva lot better than ours to the point that you can control most of them.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Gunn

[gillmanjoe]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

In the UK we maybe get one incident every decade.

Pistols are banned because someone could go through a lot of people before they are stopped. Still, I dont think they should be banned, maybe ban magazine and revolver pistols instead allowing owners to only manually load in 2 shots at a time.

Assault rifles are banned if they are automatic weapons. If they are semi automatic they are limited to .22LR. If they arent automatic then its .504. We class both as hunting rifles. A hunting rifle with .44 or .504 calibre is going to down most large game in 1 shot. Maybe not a buffalo but deer and mouse dont stand a chance.

I dont know the laws in the US about criminal offenders and the mentality ill possessing firearms. But controls need to be tight.

yeah, no guns,  but ive seen hundreds of stabbings in the UK. 
Theres a reason why your entire continent is overran by Muslims. 

any item can be an assault item and the term is used by lawmakers to make the unknowing public scared of guns. 

 

[Grey Area]

1 hour ago, gillmanjoe said:

yeah, no guns,  but ive seen hundreds of stabbings in the UK. 
Theres a reason why your entire continent is overran by Muslims. 

Where to even start?

Are you suggesting that the reason the states is not ‘overrun’ by Muslims is because guns are readily available?

Honestly, don’t even know where to start with this, perhaps geography might be the way to go?

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, Gunn said:

You might be pleasantly surprised. Right now I can't remember exactly their worth, last time I looked, but they're worth three times than want you payed for them way back then. And if you happened to have bought a M1 Garand back then, you'll be really surprised how much they're worth now. I've seen all those military issue on the net for sale many times. That's how I found out their worth. Yeah those M1 Carbines are surprisingly accurate and they seem to be lighter than a modern .22. Easy to carry. Makes varmit hunting a snap.

 

Edit to add: Ah-ha! Never mind, I checked again out of curiosity. Check it out, Manwon;

https://shopkahrfirearmsgroup.com/auto-ordnance/long-guns/m1-carbine/

https://www.guns.com/search?keyword=M1 carbine

Wow! Man you're rich now!

Yo man, he's saying you still got nutcases over there wanting do everybody harm like we do over here. But I'll bet your mental health system is a helluva lot better than ours to the point that you can control most of them.

I don't remember the manufacturer, but they all have the US Military Markings on them. Like I said, I would never sell them, they are just part if my Arsenal ( Waiting for the apocalypse and the walking Dead )  Dude, those prices are crazy I had no idea they were worth that much today. But, my Guns are like Children to me, and you would never sell a Child!

Here in Korea there is no such thing as a Mass Shooting, because only in very rare cases can anyone own a Gun and then they are only Shot Guns for hunting. However, in Asia mental health issues are not openly spoken about and people afflicted hardly ever receive treatment because of being stigmatized for having that type of health condition. Here in Korea instead of mass killings, mentally ill people just commit Suicide. Sadly South Korea has one of the highest Suicide date rates in the world, While that is very sad and terrible  it's better than killing groups of innocent people I suppose.

Take Care my Friend and thanks for the information I appreciate it!

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 hours ago, toast said:

I have no idea what you are talking about. Like you.

I don't think he even knows what he is talking about, so join the club my friend!!

Edited April 24, 2021 by Manwon Lender

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, Grey Area said:

Where to even start?

Are you suggesting that the reason the states is not ‘overrun’ by Muslims is because guns are readily available?

Honestly, don’t even know where to start with this, perhaps geography might be the way to go?

I think someone has been tipping the bottle a little bit, so the United States is over run with Muslims!  Dam, that's kinda scary, I bet those rascals have Nationwide tunnels dug and they are moving under our feet right now!!

Peace my friend, thanks some funny Chit! 

[aztek]

On 4/24/2021 at 12:52 PM, Gunn said:

You might be pleasantly surprised. Right now I can't remember exactly their worth, last time I looked, but they're worth three times than want you payed for them way back then. And if you happened to have bought a M1 Garand back then, you'll be really surprised how much they're worth now. I've seen all those military issue on the net for sale many times. That's how I found out their worth. Yeah those M1 Carbines are surprisingly accurate and they seem to be lighter than a modern .22. Easy to carry. Makes varmit hunting a snap.

 

Edit to add: Ah-ha! Never mind, I checked again out of curiosity. Check it out, Manwon;

https://shopkahrfirearmsgroup.com/auto-ordnance/long-guns/m1-carbine/

https://www.guns.com/search?keyword=M1 carbine

Wow! Man you're rich now!

Yo man, he's saying you still got nutcases over there wanting do everybody harm like we do over here. But I'll bet your mental health system is a helluva lot better than ours to the point that you can control most of them.

i paid 500-600 for a marlin lever action 15 years ago, now they are in 1500 range

[Myles]

41 minutes ago, aztek said:

i paid 500-600 for a marlin lever action 15 years ago, now they are in 1500 range

Better than gold.     Even if many types of guns get outlawed, the value will still be there.