spartan max2 Posted May 1, 2021 #1 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Biden bans most travel to U.S. from India to limit COVID-19 spread Quote U.S. President Joe Biden on Friday imposed new travel restrictions on India in light of the COVID-19 epidemic, barring most non-U.S. citizens from entering the United States. The new restrictions, which take effect on Tuesday, May 4 at 12:01 am ET (0401 GMT), are on the advice of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and were imposed because "the magnitude and scope of the COVID-19 pandemic" in India was "surging," the White House said. Biden on Friday signed a proclamation implementing the restrictions, which were first reported by Reuters. The proclamation said India "accounts for over one-third of new global cases" and added that "proactive measures are required to protect the nation's public health from travelers entering the United States" from India. https://www.reuters.com/world/us/exclusive-biden-set-ban-most-travel-us-india-limit-covid-19-spread-2021-04-30/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 1, 2021 #2 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I just hope he also lit a fire under those who were tasked, eventually, with helping supply Oxygen to the suffering in India. I know a little about struggling to breathe and it is a horrible thing to experience. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 1, 2021 #3 Share Posted May 1, 2021 I was just reading that some experts say such a ban will have little effect on US case numbers. CNBC: Dr. Scott Gottlieb says travel restrictions on India will have little impact on U.S. Covid cases. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/30/india-travel-restrictions-dr-scott-gottlieb-expects-little-impact-on-us-covid-cases.html Quote "Will it have an impact? Perhaps a minor impact on the margins in terms of reducing introductions. It's not going to dramatically affect our trajectory at this point," the former Food and Drug Administration commissioner said on "Closing Bell." "It's probably going to do more harm to India than any good that it attributes to us." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 1, 2021 #4 Share Posted May 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, DieChecker said: CNBC: Dr. Scott Gottlieb says travel restrictions on India will have little impact on U.S. Covid cases. But free travel would have, thats the point here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 1, 2021 #5 Share Posted May 1, 2021 1 hour ago, toast said: But free travel would have, thats the point here. We'd better prevent free travel within the US also then. Travel within spreads it faster then any traveling to and from India, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 1, 2021 #6 Share Posted May 1, 2021 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/us/politics/india-travel-ban.html Quote The White House press secretary, Jen Psaki, said the policy would go into effect on Tuesday. The travel restrictions will not apply to citizens or lawful permanent residents of the United States, their spouses or minor children or siblings, or to the parents of citizens or lawful permanent residents who are under 21. Now where have we seen this before? Answer... In the widely mocked ban put on China by Trump. I believe the arguement was are they expecting the virus to respect nationality and citizenship? We'll have to see if Biden's ban is any more effective then Trump's, given they have the same flaws. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 1, 2021 #7 Share Posted May 1, 2021 9 minutes ago, DieChecker said: We'd better prevent free travel within the US also then. Would help a lot. Quote Travel within spreads it faster then any traveling to and from India, yes? Travel times dont matter. 5hrs or 20 hrs, the resukt is the same: spread or the option for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted May 1, 2021 #8 Share Posted May 1, 2021 Talk about shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted! India has had out-of-control covid problems for weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 1, 2021 #9 Share Posted May 1, 2021 8 hours ago, DieChecker said: We'd better prevent free travel within the US also then. Travel within spreads it faster then any traveling to and from India, yes? We missed our effective window to do that. Americans probably wouldn't go for the China style lockdowns regardless. Our Death Toll difference reflects that: China COVID: 90,671 Cases and 4,636 Deaths - Worldometer (worldometers.info) United States COVID: 33,111,880 Cases and 590,153 Deaths - Worldometer (worldometers.info) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 1, 2021 #10 Share Posted May 1, 2021 3 hours ago, Gromdor said: We missed our effective window to do that. Americans probably wouldn't go for the China style lockdowns regardless. Our Death Toll difference reflects that: China COVID: 90,671 Cases and 4,636 Deaths - Worldometer (worldometers.info) United States COVID: 33,111,880 Cases and 590,153 Deaths - Worldometer (worldometers.info) China's successful control of COVID-19, The Lancet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 7, 2021 #11 Share Posted May 7, 2021 So... Covid control success by military enforcement of Totalitarian Dictatorship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 7, 2021 #12 Share Posted May 7, 2021 30 minutes ago, DieChecker said: So... Covid control success by military enforcement of Totalitarian Dictatorship? Its not about the political system of a country, its about the intelligence of the leaderhship of a country. The dictatorial government managed it well and the democratic one, in this case the US, failed. Because the (democratic elected) moronic head guy promised the virus will vanish when its getting warmer and has asked about the option to inject infectant as a treatment against C19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 7, 2021 #13 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, toast said: Its not about the political system of a country, its about the intelligence of the leaderhship of a country. The dictatorial government managed it well and the democratic one, in this case the US, failed. Because the (democratic elected) moronic head guy promised the virus will vanish when its getting warmer and has asked about the option to inject infectant as a treatment against C19. Thats true as it is, but didn't the CDC and WHO, at the time both also down play the virus, as did the Congresd led by Pelosi? And didn't several European nations also get slammed? Afterthought is always 20/20. The main difference between Trump and the early CDC is that Trump disparaged masks. Which seems now to be the primary variable in spreading the virus. And Trump should own that. But as to his other actions, he was in line with the experts in Feb, March, April. After that he deviated on his own course, but the states were all firmly in charge by then. As to the disinfectant thing, didn't Trump say, "Something like a disinfectant..."? But yes, he should own that. I did read that people who disinfected their groceries, many didn't do themselves any favors, as many used chemicals that are toxic if injested in a noticeable amount. These are the same people, in general, who mocked Trump about injecting poison. When they were eating the same poisons. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/please-do-not-put-bleach-on-food-to-avoid-covid-19 Quote According to an online surveyTrusted Source conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in May, almost 40 percent of people had misused cleaning products. And 25 percent reported “an adverse health effect that they believed was a result” of the products in an effort to avoid COVID-19. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177.amp Quote "And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning?" Edited May 7, 2021 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 7, 2021 #14 Share Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) Looks like Australia has banned flights out of India also. https://amp.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/may/06/australias-india-travel-ban-how-other-countries-are-managing-their-returning-citizens And Canada and New Zealand. Edited May 7, 2021 by DieChecker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted May 11, 2021 #15 Share Posted May 11, 2021 A racist move by a White Supremacist (p)resident. Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 12, 2021 #16 Share Posted May 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Harte said: A racist move by a White Supremacist (p)resident. Harte Damn that President Trump... RACIST BASTART... This calls for another impeachment. How DARE he.... Ugghh... wait... I mean... YES! YES! This is very much the most intelligent thing to do because President Biden repeated it off a piece of paper from his handlers. No hypocrisy to see here, move along everyone. And don't forget to vote Democrat in 2002, because we'll give you more Stimulous checks. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted May 12, 2021 #17 Share Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) so Biden does not like brown people???? Edited May 12, 2021 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 12, 2021 #18 Share Posted May 12, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 1:33 AM, DieChecker said: We'll have to see if Biden's ban is any more effective then Trump's, given they have the same flaws. Of course it will, because we have much stricter processes within the US than we did in early 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted May 12, 2021 #19 Share Posted May 12, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 6:33 PM, DieChecker said: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/us/politics/india-travel-ban.html Now where have we seen this before? Answer... In the widely mocked ban put on China by Trump. I believe the arguement was are they expecting the virus to respect nationality and citizenship? We'll have to see if Biden's ban is any more effective then Trump's, given they have the same flaws. I'm not sure where the boundaries of sarcasm are. What exactly are you saying re: Quote The travel restrictions will not apply to citizens or lawful permanent residents of the United States 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted May 12, 2021 #20 Share Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) On 5/7/2021 at 6:13 PM, DieChecker said: Thats true as it is, but didn't the CDC and WHO, at the time both also down play the virus, as did the Congresd led by Pelosi? And didn't several European nations also get slammed? Afterthought is always 20/20. The main difference between Trump and the early CDC is that Trump disparaged masks. Which seems now to be the primary variable in spreading the virus. And Trump should own that. But as to his other actions, he was in line with the experts in Feb, March, April. After that he deviated on his own course, but the states were all firmly in charge by then. As to the disinfectant thing, didn't Trump say, "Something like a disinfectant..."? But yes, he should own that. I did read that people who disinfected their groceries, many didn't do themselves any favors, as many used chemicals that are toxic if injested in a noticeable amount. These are the same people, in general, who mocked Trump about injecting poison. When they were eating the same poisons. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/please-do-not-put-bleach-on-food-to-avoid-covid-19 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177.amp Former Bro-Town guest star, Helen Clark, says the whole world failed. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/helen-clark-led-covid-19-panel-finds-crucial-shortcomings-in-world-s-pandemic-response-calls-for-new-global-system.html Edited May 12, 2021 by Golden Duck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 12, 2021 #21 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Golden Duck said: I'm not sure where the boundaries of sarcasm are. What exactly are you saying re: Quote The travel restrictions will not apply to citizens or lawful permanent residents of the United States That's exactly the point. People said Trump's ban was a farce, because he allowed ill Americans to return. But doesn't the Biden ban have the same flaw? If we allow US Citizens to return, might one of the mutant strains get in that otherwise would not have? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 12, 2021 #22 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Golden Duck said: Former Bro-Town guest star, Helen Clark, says the whole world failed. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2021/05/helen-clark-led-covid-19-panel-finds-crucial-shortcomings-in-world-s-pandemic-response-calls-for-new-global-system.html I think thats fair to say. Several island nations did an extraordinary good job of prevention, but then they are islands with very limited points of access. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted May 12, 2021 #23 Share Posted May 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, DieChecker said: That's exactly the point. People said Trump's ban was a farce, because he allowed ill Americans to return. But doesn't the Biden ban have the same flaw? If we allow US Citizens to return, might one of the mutant strains get in that otherwise would not have? Well, if all returning citizens go into quarantine, that mitigates the risk. How were returning citizens managed. But we also have a years worth of knowledge under our belt. A year ago, we didn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted May 12, 2021 #24 Share Posted May 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, DieChecker said: I think thats fair to say. Several island nations did an extraordinary good job of prevention, but then they are islands with very limited points of access. Before the the pandemic, one of our award winning science communicators said there were estimate it could cost "the economy" 250 billion; so, in his opinion would be to throw a billion dollars at the problem to allow the science graduate baristas to use their education to help solve the problem and free up vacancies in the service industries. Spend a billion to save 250 was the equation. It's a sound economic strategy to be more risk averse when so much is uncertain. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 13, 2021 #25 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Well, if all returning citizens go into quarantine, that mitigates the risk. How were returning citizens managed. But we also have a years worth of knowledge under our belt. A year ago, we didn't. Those are both true. I guess the response is, is it better to quarrentine on the India end, or the US end? I believe Australia and New Zealand have very good Covid19 records, and both are blocking any people returning from India. Edited May 13, 2021 by DieChecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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