docyabut2 Posted May 4, 2021 #1 Share Posted May 4, 2021 What about the the ark of the convendent ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted May 4, 2021 #2 Share Posted May 4, 2021 No link? No thoughts? What about it? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamer screamer Posted May 4, 2021 #3 Share Posted May 4, 2021 Judaism - the monotheistic religion of the Jews having its spiritual and ethical principles embodied chiefly in the Torah and in the Talmud Lucifer? What about it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 4, 2021 Author #4 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) I still think the ark of the convendent was from the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people Edited May 4, 2021 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knob Oddy Posted May 5, 2021 #5 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) There is a Christian group in modern day Ethiopia that claim to still have the Ark, which was taken by Queen Sheba (or her descendants??) back to Ethiopia for protection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#:~:text=The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church,%2C or Tabot%2C in Axum.&text=It narrates how the real,in the Temple in Jerusalem. Quote The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church claims to possess the Ark of the Covenant, or Tabot, in Axum. The object is currently kept under guard in a treasury near the Church of Our Lady Mary of Zion. Replicas of the Axum tabot are kept in every Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo church, each with its own dedication to a particular saint; the most popular of these include Mary, George and Michael.[90] You can even go to the place where it is claimed to be, but if you try and get in I'm sure the armed guards would have something to say about it. Edit: After reading your link, there are close ties between the Lemba people and the Tewahedo Church of Ethiopia Edited May 5, 2021 by Hugh Mungus 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted May 5, 2021 #6 Share Posted May 5, 2021 46 minutes ago, Hugh Mungus said: There is a Christian group in modern day Ethiopia that claim to still have the Ark, which was taken by Queen Sheba (or her descendants??) back to Ethiopia for protection. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant#:~:text=The Ethiopian Orthodox Tewahedo Church,%2C or Tabot%2C in Axum.&text=It narrates how the real,in the Temple in Jerusalem. You can even go to the place where it is claimed to be, but if you try and get in I'm sure the armed guards would have something to say about it. Edit: After reading your link, there are close ties between the Lemba people and the Tewahedo Church of Ethiopia You are certainly right, however when the ark was supposed to have been brought to Ethiopia those Christians were actually Jewish, who later converted to Christianity. The interesting fact here is that genetic testing has proven that the descendants of the original people who were to have brought the Ark to Ethiopia have many if the same genetic characteristics as indigenous Israelis. Take Care. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted May 5, 2021 #7 Share Posted May 5, 2021 So, we're going back to the Graham Hancock classics section? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post #8 Share Posted May 5, 2021 5 hours ago, docyabut2 said: What about the the ark of the convendent ? A renowned archaeologist name Rene Belloc suggested in 1939 that the Ark was a radio for talking with God. Clever chap thag Belloc, he blew quite a few minds in him time. 1 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post +ouija ouija Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post #9 Share Posted May 5, 2021 Ark of the covenant. 2 6 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted May 5, 2021 #10 Share Posted May 5, 2021 1 hour ago, ouija ouija said: Ark of the covenant. Thank you! Is this what is being discussed, or something else? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jadamz Posted May 5, 2021 Popular Post #11 Share Posted May 5, 2021 You guys are hilarious! i want to be a member of a Forum like this. Ark of the Covendent. Lucifer. What about it? Sooooo good 1 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted May 5, 2021 #12 Share Posted May 5, 2021 14 hours ago, Manwon Lender said: You are certainly right, however when the ark was supposed to have been brought to Ethiopia those Christians were actually Jewish, who later converted to Christianity. The interesting fact here is that genetic testing has proven that the descendants of the original people who were to have brought the Ark to Ethiopia have many if the same genetic characteristics as indigenous Israelis. Take Care. Strictly speaking if by Jewish you mean monotheistic Judaism then you are wrong. Jews/Israelites at the time of Solomon practiced Yahwism and NOT Judaism, there’s a difference. While Yahwism placed Yahweh at the head of ancient Jewish belief it allowed for the existence of other gods and goddesses. Judaism, which didn’t actually become predominant until some time in the 9th or 8th century BC made Yahweh the sole Jewish deity. cormac 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ouija ouija Posted May 5, 2021 #13 Share Posted May 5, 2021 2 hours ago, jadamz said: You guys are hilarious! i want to be a member of a Forum like this. Ark of the Covendent. Lucifer. What about it? Sooooo good Hi, jadamz Welcome to UM. It's good that you've got a sense of humour as there will be times when you will really need it! Have fun! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted May 5, 2021 #14 Share Posted May 5, 2021 4 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Strictly speaking if by Jewish you mean monotheistic Judaism then you are wrong. Jews/Israelites at the time of Solomon practiced Yahwism and NOT Judaism, there’s a difference. While Yahwism placed Yahweh at the head of ancient Jewish belief it allowed for the existence of other gods and goddesses. Judaism, which didn’t actually become predominant until some time in the 9th or 8th century BC made Yahweh the sole Jewish deity. cormac Sorry, if my comments were confusing, however I was speaking specifically about genetic characteristics of the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted May 5, 2021 #15 Share Posted May 5, 2021 23 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: Sorry, if my comments were confusing, however I was speaking specifically about genetic characteristics of the people. And yet, maybe not so much: Quote Research which was published in 2013 in the South African Medical Journal studied Y-chromosomes variations in two groups of Lemba, one South African and the other Zimbabwean (the Remba). It concluded, "While it was not possible to unequivocally trace the origins of the non-African Y chromosomes in the Lemba and Remba, that this study does not support the earlier claims of their Jewish genetic heritage." The researcher suggested the existence of "a stronger link with Middle Eastern populations, probably the result of trade activity in the Indian Ocean."[10] A 2014 article which analyzed earlier research which attempted to trace Jewish ancestry (not just of the Lemba) states: In conclusion, while the observed distribution of sub-clades of haplotypes at mitochondrial and Y chromosome non-recombinant genomes might be compatible with founder events in recent times at the origin of Jewish groups as Cohenite, Levite, Ashkenazite, the overall substantial polyphyletism as well as their systematic occurrence in non-Jewish groups highlights the lack of support for using them either as markers of Jewish ancestry or Biblical tales.[11] In a 2016 publication, Himla Soodyall and Jennifer G. R Kromberg state that: When blood groups and scrum protein markers were used, the Lemba were indistinguishable from the neighbors among whom they lived; the same was true for mitochondrial DNA which represented the input of females in their gene pool. However, the Y chromosomes, which represented their history through male contributions, showed the link to non-African ancestors. When trying to elucidate the most likely geographic region of origin of the non-African Y chromosomes in the Lemba, the best that could be done was to narrow it to the Middle Eastern region. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people Apparently not as definitive as some would like to believe. cormac 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted May 5, 2021 #16 Share Posted May 5, 2021 (edited) 48 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: And yet, maybe not so much: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemba_people Apparently not as definitive as some would like to believe. cormac Here is some addition information on the Subject. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1914832/pdf/ajhg00024-0161.pdf https://journals.co.za/doi/pdf/10.10520/EJC145633 Edited May 5, 2021 by Manwon Lender 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted May 5, 2021 #17 Share Posted May 5, 2021 6 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Judaism, which didn’t actually become predominant until some time in the 9th or 8th century BC made Yahweh the sole Jewish deity. That's a mindblower. By that time, the house of Judah was defeated and Israel - no more. Thanks for that one, Cormac. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted May 5, 2021 #18 Share Posted May 5, 2021 On 5/4/2021 at 11:51 PM, docyabut2 said: What about the the ark of the convendent ? The box that houses the tablets the 10 commandments are written on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted May 6, 2021 #19 Share Posted May 6, 2021 21 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: A renowned archaeologist name Rene Belloc suggested in 1939 that the Ark was a radio for talking with God. Clever chap thag Belloc, he blew quite a few minds in him time. His chief detractor, Dr. Henry Jones Jr of Marshall College, had several items of note that certainly made Mr. Belloc envious. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted May 6, 2021 #20 Share Posted May 6, 2021 10 hours ago, jadamz said: You guys are hilarious! i want to be a member of a Forum like this. Ark of the Covendent. Lucifer. What about it? Sooooo good Looks like you already are.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom1200 Posted May 6, 2021 Popular Post #21 Share Posted May 6, 2021 23 hours ago, ouija ouija said: Ark of the covenant. Maybe, maybe not. What if Docy is on to something new?1 Perhaps related to a mysterious island, long perished beneath the waves, whose name was forgotten many centuries ago?4 Of course 'covendent' is Old Irish for 'death from heaven',2 adding further credence to the theory that the Irish are descended from the lost tribe of Dan4, and that the Ark is kept under lock and key at St. James's Gate, Dublin3. 8 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: The box that houses the tablets the 10 commandments are written on. Are you aware that there is a printing error in KJV Exodus 24 12?2 "And the Lord said unto Moses, Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone..." is actually (in the original Na'vi) "... I will give three tables..."4 But later Moses only smashes two, with ten laws on them. What happened to the third stone with its five rules?4 Well, according to one theory3, that stone commanded Moses to build the pyramids4 as gigantic radio microwave amplifiers4 to receive more messages from God4 and pump water to irrigate the Nile4. It was so controversial that it had to be hidden and now the Pope has it in a secret archive in the Vatican next to the sixty other Fatima predictions2. It was found in Jerusalem by Templar Knights of the ancient order of Browndan3, and carried back to Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland. (Scotland at the time was further south2, and almost civilised1.) Then, as Scotland turned Scottish, they tried to smash it to protect it from the heathens, but couldn't so they sent it to Rome instead3. I never said it was a good theory. (Disclaimer: Some of the details above may not be 100% accurate. I can't check the facts because, for some dastardly reason, Wikipedia appears to have wiped the relevant pages.) 1 Unlikely. 2 Not actually true. 3 Completely made up for this post. 4 Total nonsense. 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted May 6, 2021 #22 Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Tom1200 said: Ark is kept under lock and key at St. James's Gate, Dublin3. Actually @acute filched it and buried it in Mellor Hall's basement under the servants' loo. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted May 6, 2021 #23 Share Posted May 6, 2021 26 minutes ago, Piney said: Actually @acute filched it and buried it in Mellor Hall's basement under the servants' loo. It's not there anymore. I used it as a blanket box in the spare bedroom for a while, then threw it out. I was very disappointed when I first saw it. It was Noah's Ark I wanted. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom1200 Posted May 6, 2021 #24 Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, acute said: It's not there anymore. I used it as a blanket box in the spare bedroom for a while, then threw it out. I was very disappointed when I first saw it. It was Noah's Ark I wanted. I've got two of those, so if you give me your address and five million quid I'll send you one. Anywhere with access to the sea and lax rules about importing dangerous animals. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acute Posted May 6, 2021 #25 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Tom1200 said: I've got two of those, so if you give me your address and five million quid I'll send you one. Anywhere with access to the sea and lax rules about importing dangerous animals. I live in Birmingham, so my only access to the sea is via the medium of television. But if you could drop the Ark into Bartley Reservoir, that would be great, thanks. Edited May 6, 2021 by acute By "drop" I mean "lower" 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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