docyabut2 Posted May 13, 2021 Author #101 Share Posted May 13, 2021 A lot of scholars believe the book of Deuteronomy was the only one that Moses had written. Deuteronomy And I made an ark of shittim wood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted May 14, 2021 #102 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, docyabut2 said: A lot of scholars believe the book of Deuteronomy was the only one that Moses had written. Deuteronomy And I made an ark of shittim wood Here I was thinking a lot of scholars don’t even think Moses was real, what with the absolute dearth of evidence for him existing. —Jaylemurph 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted May 14, 2021 #103 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, jaylemurph said: Here I was thinking a lot of scholars don’t even think Moses was real, what with the absolute dearth of evidence for him existing. —Jaylemurph It’s ironic that the Catholic Church may have done more harm long term than the good short term with their erasive methods.... I'm not sure how we can ever prove many characters from the Bible were “real”. Edited May 14, 2021 by Nobu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted May 14, 2021 #104 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Which "erasive methods" are those? Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted May 14, 2021 #105 Share Posted May 14, 2021 12 hours ago, Nobu said: It’s ironic that the Catholic Church may have done more harm long term than the good short term with their erasive methods.... I'm not sure how we can ever prove many characters from the Bible were “real”. I've literally written a book on the Catholic church's attempts to erase the history of other Christian churches. --Jaylemurph 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted May 14, 2021 #106 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: I've literally written a book on the Catholic church's attempts to erase the history of other Christian churches. --Jaylemurph What's the title? I would like to read it. Edited May 14, 2021 by Desertrat56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted May 14, 2021 #107 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Desertrat56 said: What's the title? I would like to read it. It was my PhD dissertation. If my committee would have allowed it, it would have been called "The Lie of Christendom," but they suggested I not go for the option that would get me shanked by fundamentalists and/or Vatican priests. Which was a little odd, as the Vatican actually knew what I was writing about (I had arrangements to visit the Vatican Library as part of my research, but the funding fell through at the last moment. I still correspond with a variety of church folks in Europe as a part of ongoing research, like at St Gall and northern Spain.) The book version (most scholars adapt their dissertation into a book released by university presses) is currently under contract and I'll be spending the summer adapting it and begging people for money for licensed illustrations. I should have the proofs (or at least a Word document with the text) in the late Fall and will be happy to share then. Basically, it looks at the rise of liturgical dramas (plays done during church services) in the 10th and 11th Centuries, where they appear out of nowhere. I suggest they appear in frontier areas where the catholic church was competing with other versions of christianity (like Celtic, Arian/Visigothic, and Gallic) as a tool for teaching "correct" beliefs. As the catholics became dominant, they moved the plays into more obscure times (like 2 am on the Saturday night before Easter instead during the Easter Day mass), largely because they were written by women. --Jaylemurph 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted May 14, 2021 #108 Share Posted May 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, jaylemurph said: It was my PhD dissertation. If my committee would have allowed it, it would have been called "The Lie of Christendom," but they suggested I not go for the option that would get me shanked by fundamentalists and/or Vatican priests. Which was a little odd, as the Vatican actually knew what I was writing about (I had arrangements to visit the Vatican Library as part of my research, but the funding fell through at the last moment. I still correspond with a variety of church folks in Europe as a part of ongoing research, like at St Gall and northern Spain.) The book version (most scholars adapt their dissertation into a book released by university presses) is currently under contract and I'll be spending the summer adapting it and begging people for money for licensed illustrations. I should have the proofs (or at least a Word document with the text) in the late Fall and will be happy to share then. Basically, it looks at the rise of liturgical dramas (plays done during church services) in the 10th and 11th Centuries, where they appear out of nowhere. I suggest they appear in frontier areas where the catholic church was competing with other versions of christianity (like Celtic, Arian/Visigothic, and Gallic) as a tool for teaching "correct" beliefs. As the catholics became dominant, they moved the plays into more obscure times (like 2 am on the Saturday night before Easter instead during the Easter Day mass), largely because they were written by women. --Jaylemurph Sounds interesting, especially that the plays were written largely by women, since the Romans never liked women to get off their pedestals and actually do anything useful unless they were chattel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted May 14, 2021 #109 Share Posted May 14, 2021 How sexist. Not ALL women write largely, you know. Harte 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 14, 2021 #110 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Nobu said: It’s ironic that the Catholic Church may have done more harm long term than the good short term with their erasive methods.... I'm not sure how we can ever prove many characters from the Bible were “real”. And this is, interestingly, the heart of a massive theological discussion going on within Catholicism today, from the lay level , through the education sector to the very Vatican-y bits at the apex of the whole shebang. we even explore the Bible differentiating between the world of the text (what’s on the page) and the world behind the text (what history is telling us was going on) and if the world behind the text contradicts the world of the text the onus is on the believer to accept that and adapt their belief structure in light of reality. Edited May 14, 2021 by Sir Wearer of Hats 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 14, 2021 Author #111 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Nabi Musa (Arabic: ٱلنَّبِي مُوْسَى, romanized: An-Nabī Mūsā, meaning "The Prophet Moses",[2] also transliterated as Nebi Musa) is the name of a site in the West Bank believed to be the tomb of Musa (Moses). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nabi_Musa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted May 14, 2021 #112 Share Posted May 14, 2021 it has always baffled me how 'in this day & age' folk still believe in/ live by all this religious crap..... I've often pondered over the 'possibility' of a <galactic federation> kinda thing where races need to get out of the god worshiping stage of evolution before being accepted into the fold.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereWeAreThen Posted May 14, 2021 #113 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Dejarma said: it has always baffled me how 'in this day & age' folk still believe in/ live by all this religious crap..... I've often pondered over the 'possibility' of a <galactic federation> kinda thing where races need to get out of the god worshiping stage of evolution before being accepted into the fold.. Yes, yes and a million times yes! Would love to see such a thing! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 14, 2021 Author #114 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) Moses was a real person In the movie, he was born around 1,301 BC, since Ramses II was born in February of 1,303 and was around 2 when Moses was adopted. However, Moses was probably born around 1,372 BC in real life. Moses was seen again speaking with Elijah the prophet during Jesus Christ's transfiguration in the book of Matthew 17:4 in the Christian Bible. Edited May 14, 2021 by docyabut2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted May 14, 2021 #115 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, ThereWeAreThen said: Yes, yes and a million times yes! Would love to see such a thing! hmmm? how long will it take do you think? the belief in god/s is declining so, eer, 100 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereWeAreThen Posted May 14, 2021 #116 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, Dejarma said: hmmm? how long will it take do you think? the belief in god/s is declining so, eer, 100 years? Well I'd love to see the rate of decline, seen a few surveys regarding some Arab countries, in the UAE they reckon Atheism is growing. I honestly think the more countries get "Westernised" the quicker religion will go. So maybe after a few more wars I'd say 80-100 years. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted May 14, 2021 #117 Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Moses was a real person There’s no verifiable evidence to support that conclusion. cormac 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted May 14, 2021 #118 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, cormac mac airt said: There’s no verifiable evidence to support that conclusion. cormac jesus was a real person.. when i'm asked: 'do i believe jesus existed'?.. i'll respond with: 'what one'? because jesus was a popular name in that region at the time= as brilliantly depicted in a red dwarf episode 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 14, 2021 Author #119 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, cormac mac airt said: There’s no verifiable evidence to support that conclusion. cormac Moses was a real person, but was buried a long way to the promise land, he was real, Edited May 14, 2021 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted May 14, 2021 #120 Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dejarma said: jesus was a real person.. when i'm asked: 'do i believe jesus existed'?.. i'll respond with: 'what one'? because jesus was a popular name in that region at the time= as brilliantly depicted in a red dwarf episode Jesus, the man, very likely existed. Jesus, the Christ, not so much. And even the man very likely was given attributes from other same-named individuals. cormac 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted May 14, 2021 #121 Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Moses was a real person, but was buried a long way to the promise land, he was real, Nice story. cormac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted May 14, 2021 Author #122 Share Posted May 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dejarma said: jesus was a real person.. when i'm asked: 'do i believe jesus existed'?.. i'll respond with: 'what one'? because jesus was a popular name in that region at the time= as brilliantly depicted in a red dwarf episode Jesus was a real person he was") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted May 14, 2021 #123 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 minute ago, cormac mac airt said: Jesus, the man, very likely existed. Jesus, the Christ, not so much. And even the man very likely was given attributes from other same-named individuals. oh no doubt... But what do you know!? With regards to facts, you know nothing! Same as me: hmmm, same as everyone else- fascinating aint it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejarma Posted May 14, 2021 #124 Share Posted May 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Jesus was a real person he was") yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted May 14, 2021 #125 Share Posted May 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Jesus was a real person he was") He is the captain of Sevilla FC and usually plays as a right winger. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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