Thanos5150 Posted August 23, 2021 #451 Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Hanslune said: Possibly they may have had an influence but the 10-14 (variants) are common to most cultures - common sense social conventions except for the last one which is situation specific. ""You shall set up these stones, which I command you today, on Mount Gerizim."" The Israelite Samaritan Version of the Torah Originally there were 15 Commandments. Edited August 23, 2021 by Thanos5150 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 24, 2021 #452 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Thanos5150 said: Originally there were 15 Commandments. I may have said this before - but that clip is part of an officially approved video about the Ten Commandments we use with students. Yes. Even after everyone pointed out it was Mel Brooks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaden Posted August 24, 2021 #453 Share Posted August 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: I may have said this before - but that clip is part of an officially approved video about the Ten Commandments we use with students. Yes. Even after everyone pointed out it was Mel Brooks. JESUS! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 24, 2021 #454 Share Posted August 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, Gaden said: JESUS! No dude, this is Old Testament 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 25, 2021 Author #455 Share Posted August 25, 2021 (edited) One of Ten Commandment Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image again Moses would never have made those Egyptian images. it is a drum Edited August 25, 2021 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 25, 2021 #456 Share Posted August 25, 2021 2 hours ago, docyabut2 said: One of Ten Commandment Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image again Moses would never have made those Egyptian images. it is a drum Read the full commandment Docy, it says “don’t make idols and worship them”, not “don’t make idols”. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 25, 2021 #457 Share Posted August 25, 2021 Furthermore, a group of people at most months out of being part of Egyptian society for decades when presented with an object needing protection and veneration would obviously plump for Egyptian inspired artistry. Because…. They’re Egyptian-trained artists. They’re more Egyptian than they are Canaanite. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted August 26, 2021 #458 Share Posted August 26, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 5:45 AM, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Read the full commandment Docy, it says “don’t make idols and worship them”, not “don’t make idols”. Maybe I'm getting this wrong. They dìd make idols (the Cherubim), and they dìd worship them, as being part of the Ark. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windowpane Posted August 26, 2021 #459 Share Posted August 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Abramelin said: Maybe I'm getting this wrong. They dìd make idols (the Cherubim), and they dìd worship them, as being part of the Ark. ... No, they weren't idols. They were Yahveh's throne platform. Although you couldn't see him, he was sitting on top of the cherubim. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 26, 2021 #460 Share Posted August 26, 2021 3 hours ago, Abramelin said: Maybe I'm getting this wrong. They dìd make idols (the Cherubim), and they dìd worship them, as being part of the Ark. Worship (then) involved sacrifices (amongst other practices), they didn’t sacrifice to the Cherubim, nor in fact to the Ark. it was just a pretty box they carried the manifestation of YHWH’s will about in (and secretly a WMD). When the OT writers talk about worship there’s a lot of cultural stuff going on that we miss (the world behind the text according to the RE curriculum) because we are (amongst other things)culturally monotheistic, post-Lutheran reforms etc. we don’t worship in the same way they did - it‘s also the source of the accusations of idolatry directed at the Catholics, to the lay eye any icon in a place of worship is there to be the focus of worship and or veneration (presuming of course you are of a worshipful bent), whereas to Catholics icons of Mary (for example) are there to guide thought processes and to inspire certain mindsets that are beneficial to the supplicant. Also they look pretty and allow the priests to show off how influential they are by having statuary by famous artists. the Ark was kept in a special place in the Temple, wherein only the High Priests could attend and what the did in there was unknown to all except the High Priests (including the OT writers who sort of hand waved the whole situation) but it wasn’t in and of itself something worshipped, it was a psychopomp, a focus for prayer because of what it represented (the presence of YHWH in His Temple). They didn’t pray to or sacrifice to the Ark, but rather where the Ark was was also where YHWH was, therefore that was where their prayers (and sacrifices) were directed. It does sound very much like a legalistic quibble, but it’s a valid one. A modern equivalent would be Muslims praying towards Mecca, they’re not worshipping Mecca, but rather what Mecca represents theologically. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted August 27, 2021 #461 Share Posted August 27, 2021 On 8/24/2021 at 5:49 PM, docyabut2 said: One of Ten Commandment Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image again Moses would never have made those Egyptian images. it is a drum So you’re using Chapter Five of Harry Potter Sky Daddy to prove Chapter Six is real? Cunning methodology. —Jaylemurph 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 27, 2021 #462 Share Posted August 27, 2021 6 hours ago, jaylemurph said: So you’re using Chapter Five of Harry Potter Sky Daddy to prove Chapter Six is real? Cunning methodology. —Jaylemurph She’s not even doing that, she’s using Harry Potter to prove Hogan’s Heroes. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 27, 2021 #463 Share Posted August 27, 2021 On 8/24/2021 at 11:45 PM, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Read the full commandment Docy, it says “don’t make idols and worship them”, not “don’t make idols”. Don't make any images of gods and things, period. And don't put any gods above El. Keep them below him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 27, 2021 #464 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Piney said: Don't make any images of gods and things, period. And don't put any gods above El. Keep them below him. Especially if you sort things El-phabetically. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 27, 2021 #465 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Piney said: Don't make any images of gods and things, period. And don't put any gods above El. Keep them below him. Double post, sorry. Edited August 27, 2021 by Sir Wearer of Hats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted August 27, 2021 #466 Share Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Especially if you sort things El-phabetically. BOOOOOOOOOO!!......... 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThereWeAreThen Posted August 27, 2021 #467 Share Posted August 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Piney said: BOOOOOOOOOO!!......... Well I thought it was funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thanos5150 Posted August 27, 2021 #468 Share Posted August 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Especially if you sort things El-phabetically. Face palm or drum sting-you decide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 27, 2021 #469 Share Posted August 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Thanos5150 said: Face palm or drum sting-you decide. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted August 27, 2021 #470 Share Posted August 27, 2021 I liked the ark better with the dent. I wasn't done playing with that. Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 27, 2021 Author #471 Share Posted August 27, 2021 (edited) Mecca, was from Moses:( but from the Abraham seeds, Abraham and the Child of Sacrifice - Isaac or Ishmael? (answering-islam.org) Edited August 27, 2021 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 27, 2021 #472 Share Posted August 27, 2021 21 minutes ago, docyabut2 said: Mecca, was from Moses:( but from the Abraham seeds, Abraham and the Child of Sacrifice - Isaac or Ishmael? (answering-islam.org) Nope… this time I’m lost. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted August 28, 2021 #473 Share Posted August 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Nope… this time I’m lost. The Abraham seeds, man! The ABRAHAM SEEDS!!!! Hope that clears it up. Harte 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 28, 2021 #474 Share Posted August 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Harte said: The Abraham seeds, man! The ABRAHAM SEEDS!!!! Hope that clears it up. Harte *looks through meme collection* hmm…… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docyabut2 Posted August 28, 2021 Author #475 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) Ishmael and Isaac (therefinersfire.org) The Book of Revelation predicts another sphere of power that will enter this war with 200 million soldiers. This power bloc is called "the Kings of the East". They will move into the Middle East and attack once the war has started. The Bible says they will wipe out a third of the world's population. Edited August 28, 2021 by docyabut2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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