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Judo class in Taiwan leaves seven year old boy in a coma

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Amaryllis

The coach sounds like another John Kreese.

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Golden Duck
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Experts say that Wei Wei's case has brought up disturbing questions that highlight deep-seated problems in Taiwan's attitude towards children and learning.

The most glaring one: why did no-one stop the coach?

There were adults at the judo studio who witnessed what happened, including Wei Wei's maternal uncle, who reportedly filmed the video to show the little boy's mother that judo may not be suitable for him.

The Republic of China are the good guys, right?

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spartan max2
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19 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

The Republic of China are the good guys, right?

A bad Judo coach and questionable parenting equals millions of people bad and therefore, CCP and it's human rights abuses not bad?

Nice bad faith argument there :rolleyes:

 

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Golden Duck
35 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

A bad Judo coach and questionable parenting equals millions of people bad and therefore, CCP and it's human rights abuses not bad?

Nice bad faith argument there :rolleyes:

 

Trouble comprehending the bit where it says "deep-seated problems in Taiwan's attitude towards children and learning"?

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spartan max2
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16 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Trouble comprehending the bit where it says "deep-seated problems in Taiwan's attitude towards children and learning"?

Oh god you're right :o. The CCP is the good guy. 

A culture that has a problem with leaning towards obeying authority is much worse the a nation that suppress any questioning of the government, like the CCP.

If you think Taiwan's culture of obeying authority is a problem than you really should have a huge problem with how the indoctrination and oppression is done in China by the CCP. :whistle:

((Not saying that what happened in Taiwan isn't a problem, but using it as some talking point about why the CCP isn't bad or something is dumb))

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Golden Duck
Just now, spartan max2 said:

Oh god you're right :o. The CCP is the good guy. 

A culture that has a problem with leaning towards obeying authority is much worse the a nation that suppress any questioning of the government, like the CCP.

If you think Taiwan's culture of obeying authority is a problem than you really should have a huge problem with how the indoctrination and oppression is done in China by the CCP. :whistle:

 

Sinophobia triggered again?

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1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

Sinophobia triggered again?

Sinophobia? 

Well I guess that means we are at least in agreement that Taiwan is independent from China :lol: Lol.

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Golden Duck
4 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Sinophobia? 

Well I guess that means we are at least in agreement that Taiwan is independent from China :lol: Lol.

Your getting a bit avant garde joining those dots.

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Piney
9 hours ago, Amaryllis said:

The coach sounds like another John Kreese.

McDojos....There are waaayyy too many of them all around the world. If you can't make it on the legal or underground circuit and you have gland issues you "teach" and that's what "those who can't do" do. 

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Tatetopa
4 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Oh god you're right :o. The CCP is the good guy. 

A culture that has a problem with leaning towards obeying authority is much worse the a nation that suppress any questioning of the government, like the CCP.

If you think Taiwan's culture of obeying authority is a problem than you really should have a huge problem with how the indoctrination and oppression is done in China by the CCP. 

They don't have to be polar opposites.  One side does not have to be the good guys if the other side has problems.  Do they not both stem for a couple of thousand years of shared culture?   They might share similar societal values even if one is communist and one is democracy.  Not questioning authority or respecting a teacher might be such a cultural value.  Even a bad teacher may get the benefit of the doubt before he is found out.

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spartan max2
11 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

They don't have to be polar opposites.  One side does not have to be the good guys if the other side has problems.  Do they not both stem for a couple of thousand years of shared culture?   They might share similar societal values even if one is communist and one is democracy.  Not questioning authority or respecting a teacher might be such a cultural value.  Even a bad teacher may get the benefit of the doubt before he is found out.

I don't disagree with any of what you said. 

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Piney
9 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

They don't have to be polar opposites.  One side does not have to be the good guys if the other side has problems.  Do they not both stem for a couple of thousand years of shared culture?   They might share similar societal values even if one is communist and one is democracy.  Not questioning authority or respecting a teacher might be such a cultural value.  Even a bad teacher may get the benefit of the doubt before he is found out.

That's how Falun Daffy became out of control. A couple thousand years of the warrior-religious caste being in control. Think about Lenny Con Dog and his AIM "Pipe Keepers?". 

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Tatetopa
8 hours ago, Piney said:

That's how Falun Daffy became out of control. A couple thousand years of the warrior-religious caste being in control. Think about Lenny Con Dog and his AIM "Pipe Keepers?". 

Yeah, now that you mention it

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OverSword

The worst part is his uncle recording the whole thing and not intervening. 

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Still Waters

Here's an update on the boy's condition :(

Taiwan boy thrown 27 times during judo class taken off life support

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-57661414

7-year-old Taiwanese boy dies after being repeatedly slammed in judo class; coach charged

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/boy-dies-slammed-judo-coach-charged-taiwan/

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Piney
15 hours ago, Still Waters said:

7-year-old Taiwanese boy dies after being repeatedly slammed in judo class; coach charged

They need to regulate these friggin McDojos. Injured "students", more often children is more common than most people think. <_<

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Sir Wearer of Hats
On 5/9/2021 at 11:31 PM, Amaryllis said:

The coach sounds like another John Kreese.

Not even Kreese would have gone so far, he’d have abused the child for being weak after the second throw and kicked them out. 

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On 5/9/2021 at 12:23 PM, Golden Duck said:

The Republic of China are the good guys, right?

Well... unless you feel one out of control martial arts instructor tips the scales even with the CCP on the other one.  Wow... just...wow.

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Golden Duck
15 minutes ago, and then said:

Well... unless you feel one out of control martial arts instructor tips the scales even with the CCP on the other one.  Wow... just...wow.

Was the quote referring to deep seated cultural issues too much?

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On 5/9/2021 at 1:20 PM, Golden Duck said:

Trouble comprehending the bit where it says "deep-seated problems in Taiwan's attitude towards children and learning"?

What you said seemed to imply that you thought the system in Taiwan, in general, was on a par with or worse than the CCP's horrors - and they ARE horrors.  If you believe that the treatment of human beings by the CCP is acceptable on any level then we'll just have to agree to disagree.  

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Golden Duck
12 hours ago, and then said:

What you said seemed to imply that you thought the system in Taiwan, in general, was on a par with or worse than the CCP's horrors - and they ARE horrors.  If you believe that the treatment of human beings by the CCP is acceptable on any level then we'll just have to agree to disagree.  

If you see a Sinophobic bias there's no problem in calling it out.

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51 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

If you see a Sinophobic bias there's no problem in calling it out.

That's your call, mate.  You'll be dealing with them sooner than the rest of us.  The term "Sinophobic" is an intentional attempt at misdirection, IMO.  Two things... first, I have ZERO hate or fear of the Chinese.  My daughter was born in Beijing.  Second, and most germane to the discussion, the actions of the CCP are totally independent of the desires and intentions of the Chinese people as a whole.  Anyone who uses terminology that assumes the CCP is the voice of the people of China by THEIR choice, is making assumptions without justification.

The CCP is keeping Uighur Muslims in concentration camps.  They are using them for slave labor, abusing and impregnating many of the females, and generally subjecting them all to "re-education".  If you feel the need to defend the CCP, be ready to be called out for defending their evils as well.  

BTW, that isn't any kind of personal attack against you.  It's a stance against your support for the dictatorial government that's in complete control of the Chinese people and the evils that government commits against their own citizens.

That's all I have to say on the topic.  

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Golden Duck
1 minute ago, and then said:

That's your call, mate.  You'll be dealing with them sooner than the rest of us.  The term "Sinophobic" is an intentional attempt at misdirection, IMO.  Two things... first, I have ZERO hate or fear of the Chinese.  My daughter was born in Beijing.  Second, and most germane to the discussion, the actions of the CCP are totally independent of the desires and intentions of the Chinese people as a whole.  Anyone who uses terminology that assumes the CCP is the voice of the people of China by THEIR choice, is making assumptions without justification.

The CCP is keeping Uighur Muslims in concentration camps.  They are using them for slave labor, abusing and impregnating many of the females, and generally subjecting them all to "re-education".  If you feel the need to defend the CCP, be ready to be called out for defending their evils as well.  

BTW, that isn't any kind of personal attack against you.  It's a stance against your support for the dictatorial government that's in complete control of the Chinese people and the evils that government commits against their own citizens.

That's all I have to say on the topic.  

Who said I support the Chinese government?  That's your imagination.

I can lean into Sinophobic conspiracies as good as anyone.  My favourite is that our local indigenous are human and, human nature being what it is, have their price.  Who can pay for uranium mining rights?

The obvious question to your sensitivities is why the Muslim separatists in China are the only separatist group to receive any sympathy from Western media?  The answer ostensibly is because they are in China.  In that sense Sinophobia hasn't the same potency as Antisemitism - a term politicians are far more comfortable throwing around.  It's an even greater irony that, as English speakers, we're not concerned enough about the Abazonian War to even mention it.  (Oh, wait.)

Falun Dafa have been garnering Sinophobic victimhood for decades now.  Legitimate claims for asylum have never been established; and, they remain little more than a cult.

The NIMBY attitude seems more natural for some.

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