johncbdg Posted May 17, 2021 #1 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Scots vaccinated against Covid 'in hospital with Indian variant' https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/scots-vaccinated-against-covid-in-20604338 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenking Posted May 18, 2021 #2 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Very bad news but I expected this. Because in January/February when the 'English mutation' appeared the virologists almost immediately said that the vaccines are working. But for the 'Indian mutation' they always kept saying that they "don't have enough data". This could make the whole vaccination program obsolete. New versions of vaccines are needed and meanwhile the virus mutates further... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilthor Posted May 18, 2021 #3 Share Posted May 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Katzenking said: This could make the whole vaccination program obsolete. New versions of vaccines are needed and meanwhile the virus mutates further... Perhaps it's time to admit these injections don't vaccinate (immunize) for anything and are a gigantic scam. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted May 19, 2021 #4 Share Posted May 19, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 5:05 PM, lilthor said: Perhaps it's time to admit these injections don't vaccinate (immunize) for anything and are a gigantic scam. I refused to have mine. I think the mass hysteria over the virus has a severe negative placebo effect. It is known that many symptoms of diseases are not caused by a virus itself, but are the bodies own attempt to fight it off. For instance fever. Thats when the brain gets told there is an infection and therefore raises the body temperature to put the virus under temperature stress. Its not the virus itself controlling that symptom, and various others. I cannot help but think that the hysteria is driving more severe immune reactions in people, causing death and organ damage through blood clots. In essence, ramping up the symptoms driven by the mind in response to the presence of a virus rather than the actual virus controlling it itself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted May 20, 2021 #5 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/19/2021 at 2:05 AM, lilthor said: Perhaps it's time to admit these injections don't vaccinate (immunize) for anything and are a gigantic scam. How is it a scam? That’s like saying that flu vaccination is a scam. Viruses mutate and new versions of vaccines need to be developed to combat the new strains of virus. That in no way means that we should stop vaccinations which already developed to be effective against still widespread strains of COVID. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 20, 2021 #6 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 6:05 PM, lilthor said: Perhaps it's time to admit these injections don't vaccinate (immunize) for anything and are a gigantic scam. I think its time for you to addmit that your knowledge about virology, clinical research and statistics is below zero. Zero knowledge isnt a general threat but in your case it is because you pose others at risk. "This virus will become endemic, it will not go away. And anyone who actively decides against getting vaccinated now, for example, will inevitably become infected." - Prof. Dr. Christian Drosten, Head of Administrative Office for Global Health and Director Institute of Virology, Charité – Universitätsmedizin Berlin - 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 20, 2021 #7 Share Posted May 20, 2021 9 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: It is known that many symptoms of diseases are not caused by a virus itself, but are the bodies own attempt to fight it off. For instance fever. Thats when the brain gets told there is an infection and therefore raises the body temperature to put the virus under temperature stress. Its not the virus itself controlling that symptom, and various others. What a kind of logic is that and what exactly should be the message? Of course, fever is a body reaction but to fight a/the virus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toast Posted May 20, 2021 #8 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Thousands of short-seller are waiting for the information which vaccine these people got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted May 20, 2021 #9 Share Posted May 20, 2021 12 minutes ago, toast said: What a kind of logic is that and what exactly should be the message? Of course, fever is a body reaction but to fight a/the virus. It is not logic, it is insanity. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Posted May 20, 2021 #10 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: I refused to have mine. I think the mass hysteria over the virus has a severe negative placebo effect. It is known that many symptoms of diseases are not caused by a virus itself, but are the bodies own attempt to fight it off. For instance fever. Thats when the brain gets told there is an infection and therefore raises the body temperature to put the virus under temperature stress. Its not the virus itself controlling that symptom, and various others. I cannot help but think that the hysteria is driving more severe immune reactions in people, causing death and organ damage through blood clots. In essence, ramping up the symptoms driven by the mind in response to the presence of a virus rather than the actual virus controlling it itself. So, according to you, the symptoms of the virus could appear without the virus being present and be caused by mass hysteria? If Covid misinformation wasn't dangerous it would be hilarious. And by refusing the vaccine, you know you could be putting others at risk, others who may be more at risk ? What actually happens in your body when you have a fever can get a little complicated but, in general, "it's a sign that the immune system is fighting something, and that all of the body's systems are working to prioritize the health of vital organs," Roshi Gulati, MD, a family medicine physician at Northwestern Medicine Huntley Hospital, tells Health. When you have a fever, your body's hypothalamus, a small region of your brain that act as an internal thermostat, among many other things, signals for your body temperature to increase, Laura Miller, MD, MPH, a family medicine physician with the University of Minnesota Medical School and University of Minnesota Physicians, tells Health. At that point, "there is a cascade of events that are triggered, including clamping down on blood vessels in the peripheral parts of the body to shunt blood to more important organs and decreasing heat loss from the skin," Dr. Miller says. "An increase in body temperature can slow bacterial growth, improve the defense capabilities of your white blood cells, and stimulate generation of biochemical reinforcements," Arindam Sarkar, MD, a primary care physician and assistant professor of family and community medicine at Baylor University, tells Health. Basically, a fever is usually a sign that your body is trying to fight off an invader. What Causes a Fever? - When to See a Doctor | Health.com Edited May 20, 2021 by ted hughes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted May 20, 2021 #11 Share Posted May 20, 2021 On 5/18/2021 at 5:05 PM, lilthor said: Perhaps it's time to admit these injections don't vaccinate (immunize) for anything and are a gigantic scam. And you are basing this on what, exactly ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted May 20, 2021 #12 Share Posted May 20, 2021 13 hours ago, Cookie Monster said: I refused to have mine. I think the mass hysteria over the virus has a severe negative placebo effect. It is known that many symptoms of diseases are not caused by a virus itself, but are the bodies own attempt to fight it off. For instance fever. Thats when the brain gets told there is an infection and therefore raises the body temperature to put the virus under temperature stress. Its not the virus itself controlling that symptom, and various others. I cannot help but think that the hysteria is driving more severe immune reactions in people, causing death and organ damage through blood clots. In essence, ramping up the symptoms driven by the mind in response to the presence of a virus rather than the actual virus controlling it itself. If this is the reason you're refusing to have a vaccine, then you need to re-evaluate. You won't be protected from the virus simply by believing that it's all in other people's heads. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilthor Posted May 20, 2021 #13 Share Posted May 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, Saru said: And you are basing this on what, exactly ? The fact that the pharmaceutical companies have admitted their injections confer no immunity whatsoever. This means these are not vaccines, by definition. It is also being reported that Big Pharma executives and employees are, in majority, refusing to receive COVID injections. Further, if a bunch of Scots are now in the hospital after being injected, it strongly suggests their immune systems were damaged, not strengthened. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilthor Posted May 20, 2021 #14 Share Posted May 20, 2021 5 hours ago, toast said: I think its time for you to addmit that your knowledge about virology, clinical research and statistics is below zero. Zero knowledge isnt a general threat but in your case it is because you pose others at risk. “It’s Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” – Mark Twain You've been fooled. And badly. That's why you are struggling so hard to deny it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essan Posted May 20, 2021 #15 Share Posted May 20, 2021 24 minutes ago, lilthor said: The fact that the pharmaceutical companies have admitted their injections confer no immunity whatsoever. This means these are not vaccines, by definition. It is also being reported that Big Pharma executives and employees are, in majority, refusing to receive COVID injections. Further, if a bunch of Scots are now in the hospital after being injected, it strongly suggests their immune systems were damaged, not strengthened. "It’s Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled" - Mark Twain And guess what? Unfortunately those who have been fooled are - in this instance - dangerous to the rest of us. Fortunately, they are actually very far and few between. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katzenking Posted May 20, 2021 #16 Share Posted May 20, 2021 42 minutes ago, lilthor said: The fact that the pharmaceutical companies have admitted their injections confer no immunity whatsoever. This means these are not vaccines, by definition. It is also being reported that Big Pharma executives and employees are, in majority, refusing to receive COVID injections. . Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilthor Posted May 20, 2021 #17 Share Posted May 20, 2021 18 minutes ago, Essan said: Unfortunately those who have been fooled are - in this instance - dangerous to the rest of us. I guess you're referring to the shedding of spike proteins by those who have received injections and the danger they represent to the rest of the population. My hope is that these dangers are overblown and that people whose immune systems remain undamaged will easily fight off spike proteins shed by the injected population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted May 20, 2021 #18 Share Posted May 20, 2021 53 minutes ago, lilthor said: The fact that the pharmaceutical companies have admitted their injections confer no immunity whatsoever. This means these are not vaccines, by definition. It is also being reported that Big Pharma executives and employees are, in majority, refusing to receive COVID injections. Further, if a bunch of Scots are now in the hospital after being injected, it strongly suggests their immune systems were damaged, not strengthened. Do you have credible sources to back up these three statements ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted May 20, 2021 #19 Share Posted May 20, 2021 (edited) Man, you all are ridiculous. Lol. Plenty of sources showing that the vaccines should protect against the Indian variant, and people just skim by. But then one news story about 6 people getting sick and everyone freaks out . There is a percentage of people with the vaccine who still get sick with regular Covid even. We still need more data of course. But it's looking promising so far. And most health agencies are saying they are optimistic. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01329-9 https://medicalxpress-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2021-05-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-effective-indian.amp?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16215232468407&_ct=1621523433683&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fmedicalxpress.com%2Fnews%2F2021-05-pfizer-moderna-vaccines-effective-indian.html https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/health/does-vaccine-work-on-indian-variant-b1850654.html?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16215232468407&_ct=1621523533453&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fhealth%2Fdoes-vaccine-work-on-indian-variant-b1850654.html Edited May 20, 2021 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilthor Posted May 20, 2021 #20 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Saru said: Do you have credible sources to back up these three statements ? The COVID injection manufacturers, months ago, said their shots will not immunize for coronavirus infection, only that they will "reduce severity of symptoms". If you have credible sources stating these injections DO confer coronavirus immunity, I'd like to see it. Big Pharma execs refusing injections has been all over the internet. Do you have credible sources showing a majority of them have taken it? I doubt it. Because they haven't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted May 20, 2021 #21 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1 hour ago, lilthor said: The fact that the pharmaceutical companies have admitted their injections confer no immunity whatsoever. This means these are not vaccines, by definition. It is also being reported that Big Pharma executives and employees are, in majority, refusing to receive COVID injections. Further, if a bunch of Scots are now in the hospital after being injected, it strongly suggests their immune systems were damaged, not strengthened. Studies measure antibodies, T-Cells, etc in non-vaccianted and vaccinated people. The vaccines clearly build immunity. Do you just believe those studies are all lies and conspiracies ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted May 20, 2021 #22 Share Posted May 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, lilthor said: The COVID injection manufacturers, months ago, said their shots will not immunize for coronavirus infection, only that they will "reduce severity of symptoms". If you have credible sources stating these injections DO confer coronavirus immunity, I'd like to see it. Big Pharma execs refusing injections has been all over the internet. Do you have credible sources showing a majority of them have taken it? I doubt it. Because they haven't. You are the one making the claim, you are the one who needs to provide sources to back it up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilthor Posted May 20, 2021 #23 Share Posted May 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, spartan max2 said: The vaccines clearly build immunity. Clearly, they don't. Which is why the manufacturers say they don't. These formulations are still under emergency-use authorization and not fully tested or approved. The credibility of these injections as beneficial to society is, unfortunately, not helped by the fact that their two biggest boosters (Fauci and Gates) are currently in the process of having their reputations torn to shreds by scandal. Caution is warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted May 20, 2021 #24 Share Posted May 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, lilthor said: Clearly, they don't. Which is why the manufacturers say they don't. These formulations are still under emergency-use authorization and not fully tested or approved. The credibility of these injections as beneficial to society is, unfortunately, not helped by the fact that their two biggest boosters (Fauci and Gates) are currently in the process of having their reputations torn to shreds by scandal. Caution is warranted. I don't know if you actually believe what you're saying. But you just making up random things lol. Most vaccinated people do not get infected at all. Not symptomatically, not asymptomatically. Just not at all. https://www-livescience-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.livescience.com/amp/moderna-covid-19-vaccine-college-trial-transmission.html?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16215249999222&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From %1%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.livescience.com%2Fmoderna-covid-19-vaccine-college-trial-transmission.html And even if you get sick but asymptomatic because of the vaccine. That still counts as immunity. You're just lost in semantics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted May 20, 2021 #25 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I thought I recognized your posting style. @lilthor - Ian Hacktorp, I presume ? Since this entire argument is being carried on by a banned member posting under a sock puppet account, there's little point keeping this going. Thread closed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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