Obama on UFOs: 'we don't know what they are'

[ChrLzs]

26 minutes ago, susieice said:

They do seem to be able to out maneuver anything we have

It's this claim I have a problem with.  And it is of course, the crux of the matter - if things maneuver like normal aircraft, then what is the issue...?

The videos thus far presented do NOT, I repeat not show any fancy or unexplainable maneuvers.  These videos have been poured over here and at other forums, and they operate using systems that are well-understood and they show on the screen what is going on.  When you do the actual maths and trigonometry to identify how far away they were, how the aircraft's *own* relative velocity factored in, and how the camera tracking system ("Gimball") works in order to keep the item in view, the results are in no way outside the performance envelope of even non-military aircraft, or in one case, a seabird or weather / targeting balloon..

I'm very happy to go through that process for anyone who asks, in detail, and have already done so recently for one of them (the GoFast) one.  No-one here seemed interested in refuting what I posted.  {Cough}

So, as far as I can see and I'm happy to be corrected, the ONLY 'evidence' for the 'impossible' maneuvers comes from the stories told by a couple of pilots, and also a vague claim about radar contacts, but we have not been shown the data.  What is more damning for the latter claim, is that even if they won't show the data, they should be able to show the maths that was performed and the actual velocities/vectors claimed, but even that has not been done.  So forgive me for doubting that any real radar analysis has been performed - there is, to date, no trace of it.

And given that none of this is corroborated by any other country, it seems the aliens are targeting just a couple locations in the US, and are taking great pains to always be right on the outer limits of detection by the US DoD's current technology, just exactly far enough away as to be unidentifiable by optical means - we can only see the small IR blob.  These cameras do have an optical mode, BTW, it's just that the pilots don't use it much especially when the object is small (Gofast) or at long distances, as the objects are even smaller.  IR mode makes them  'bloom' outward, giving a (largely false) sense of magnification.

[+susieice]

8 minutes ago, ChrLzs said:

It's this claim I have a problem with.  And it is of course, the crux of the matter - if things maneuver like normal aircraft, then what is the issue...?

The videos thus far presented do NOT, I repeat not show any fancy or unexplainable maneuvers.  These videos have been poured over here and at other forums, and they operate using systems that are well-understood and they show on the screen what is going on.  When you do the actual maths and trigonometry to identify how far away they were, how the aircraft's *own* relative velocity factored in, and how the camera tracking system ("Gimball") works in order to keep the item in view, the results are in no way outside the performance envelope of even non-military aircraft, or in one case, a seabird or weather / targeting balloon..

I'm very happy to go through that process for anyone who asks, in detail, and have already done so recently for one of them (the GoFast) one.  No-one here seemed interested in refuting what I posted.  {Cough}

So, as far as I can see and I'm happy to be corrected, the ONLY 'evidence' for the 'impossible' maneuvers comes from the stories told by a couple of pilots, and also a vague claim about radar contacts, but we have not been shown the data.  What is more damning for the latter claim, is that even if they won't show the data, they should be able to show the maths that was performed and the actual velocities/vectors claimed, but even that has not been done.  So forgive me for doubting that any real radar analysis has been performed - there is, to date, no trace of it.

And given that none of this is corroborated by any other country, it seems the aliens are targeting just a couple locations in the US, and are taking great pains to always be right on the outer limits of detection by the US DoD's current technology, just exactly far enough away as to be unidentifiable by optical means - we can only see the small IR blob.  These cameras do have an optical mode, BTW, it's just that the pilots don't use it much especially when the object is small (Gofast) or at long distances, as the objects are even smaller.  IR mode makes them  'bloom' outward, giving a (largely false) sense of magnification.

I'm only going on what the pilots and the news said. 

[ChrLzs]

2 minutes ago, susieice said:

I'm only going on what the pilots and the news said. 

I know , Susie - I'm having a go at the media, not you!  This is being repeated and over - that there is evidence of these supposed maneuvers.  The "To The Stars" money-making organisation that is behind a lot of this (Luis Elizondo / Tom DeLonge), has been promising for years to show us real evidence of non-terrestrial stuff.

But there either is none, or it is super classified..  These videos look 'other-worldly' because they are in IR and are showing things that Jane / Joe Average has not likely seen before.  But when properly examined, they are NOT evidence of anything unusual.

[jmccr8]

Obama on UFOs: 'we don't know what they are'

Pretty much wraps up what he has to say not sure why some think it means we know what they are and are not talking

[AlphaGeek]

On 5/24/2021 at 2:40 AM, the13bats said:

So what you are saying is since you didnt remain silent & all you have to add is pointless tripe you proved just how ironically your proverb fits you

I don't get on this site much, I only come to this forum as pure entertainment. So just now seeing your post to me. So to the point. There is irony here, but I am sure it will be lost to you. Carry on expert. You are doing well.

[ChrLzs]

1 hour ago, AlphaGeek said:

I don't get on this site much, I only come to this forum as pure entertainment.

I'm glad you speak for yourself.  Many others post things they can't explain or want help with.  And then others try to help.  It is both educational and entertaining.

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So just now seeing your post to me.

FTR, here is the earlier post from Alphageek, to which 13bats was responding:

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I cant help but think of an old proverb: " Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding." I was only giving praise where praise was due. I leave the "topic" to the experts.

 Any questions, readers?  So, yes, I can see AG is indeed only here for entertainment, and perhaps irony.  Definitely not here to either give or take education.

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So to the point. There is irony here, but I am sure it will be lost to you. Carry on expert. You are doing well.

Not lost at all, but also not the irony you intended.  Some might call it hypocrisy..

Yes, 13bats does do very well..  Anyway, thanks for coming.     

Edited July 7, 2021 by ChrLzs

[AlphaGeek]

5 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

I'm glad you speak for yourself.  Many others post things they can't explain or want help with.  And then others try to help.  It is both educational and entertaining.

The only one I can speak for is myself. You should try it.

Others try to help, I am not an expert like some armchairs on here, besides I am here for the entertainment. If you are here for the additional educational benefits, that is a good thing. 

Sorry if my reason for being here bothers you to the point you felt the need to say something.

A lot of people are here to make good conversation. I enjoy those too, and have learned a few things, and at minimum given good food for thought. A few seem to just be here for entertainment, I mean who can take them serious with "My link is better than yours", "My scientist is real, yours is fake" "I am smart,your not"...etc. Paraphrased & cleaned up of course. Entertainment gold.

 

5 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Any questions, readers?  So, yes, I can see AG is indeed only here for entertainment, and perhaps irony.  Definitely not here to either give or take education.

Entertainment...Yes Indeed. There are a few here that never fail.

Sorry if that offends you. If it doesn't, then great.

 

5 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

Not lost at all, but also not the irony you intended.  Some might call it hypocrisy..

Yes, 13bats does do very well..  Anyway, thanks for coming.

You don't have to admit to seeing the irony. I see it, and this is for my entertainment.

Some might say what ever makes them feel better than others. I have no issues with that, I am here for entertainment, so keep up the good work.

13bats does do very well, I actually think he is an expert.

Thanks for the welcome. Like I said before, I don't come to this site much, but I will try to make it back soon. See you in a few months. Maybe.  SALTS = smiled a little then stopped.