Extroversion vs Mindfulness

[XenoFish]

20 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

And dont lie about knowledge of a topic, people can see straight through it.

[Duke Wellington]

Have we finished with the derail and trolling yet? lol

[XenoFish]

4 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Have we finished with the derail and trolling yet? lol

Honesty stings a little doesn't it.

What exactly do you do for a living anyway? 

Edited June 10, 2021 by Xeno-Fish

[Duke Wellington]

27 minutes ago, Xeno-Fish said:

Honesty stings a little doesn't it.

What exactly do you do for a living anyway? 

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[XenoFish]

3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

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What is your employment? I have a reason for wanting to know.

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Have we finished with the derail and trolling yet? lol

I thought your reason for posting such a biased self grandizing thread was to troll.

[Silver]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Have you heard yourself?

It is the leading model in psychology, everyone with even a little psychology knowledge knows it. And off you go again `you dont know what you are talking about, blah, blah, blah` when its you who clearly doesnt lmao.

Same types of flawed views on your other topics around here lmao.

And dont lie about knowledge of a topic, people can see straight through it.

When we are talking about psychological theories and models, we really are talking about speculation.

Unlike organic mental illness, like dementia or illness caused by trauma, inorganic disorders are open to all sorts of interpretation.

I personally don't think we can talk about a "leading model", and if we were, it wouldn't be the Ocean model. It certainly isn't one that would be taught in academic, mainstream, clinical psychology as the model.

Even well-known psychological concepts, such as Freud's id, ego and super-ego  and Eysenck's three personality traits (extraversion, neuroticism and psychoticism) are disputed. We accept terms such as "Freudian slip" and describe people as extrovert or introvert in general language, but we are not always referring to concepts the psychologists were.

As well as identifying traits such as extroversion and neuroticism, Eysenck also proposed that certain people were susceptible to cancer due to their traits and he was also accused of racism because of his views on intelligence. It is fair to say he is not really considered a hero of psychology today.

Meyers- Briggs is used in job selection and is a great favourite of HR as being cost effective and uses similar personality traits, but my personal view of it is it is worse than useless. It was developed by a mum and daughter at home, "validated" on a few of their own family members an by some reverse miracle became the industry standard, although unsupported academically ( I know I mentioned M-B not you). 

I don't purport to be an expert on anything but Brexit, and are open to criticism. 

What I didn't do is what you did:

You opened with "mindfulness" without any further reference to what you meant by that.

Then you went straight to two unrelated personality traits and stated that it was accepted that one or the other was more or less susceptible to mental illness (this you did not support, because of course you could not).

Then you gave the example of four people (Trump, Boris, the mad scientist, and the outrageous eccentric) as people who are unlikely to develop mental illness without any evidence that this might be true and ignoring the fact that they are possibly mentally ill to start with (the mad scientist by your own definition was mentally ill).

Then you said by implication that you were mentally well.

And you finished by saying that a personality trait could and should be "taught", demonstrating you didn't even know the basics of what you had started talking about.

As I say, a mish-mash of gibberish.

I am completely open to being put straight if I am wrong on any of these points.

 

 

[Silver]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Have we finished with the derail and trolling yet? lol

I am sorry if I am being mean. I think you throw in some bait, and expect people to bite.

[XenoFish]

2 minutes ago, ted hughes said:

When we are talking about psychological theories and models, we really are talking about speculation.

Unlike organic mental illness, like dementia or illness caused by trauma, inorganic disorders are open to all sorts of interpretation.

I personally don't think we can talk about a "leading model", and if we were, it wouldn't be the Ocean model. It certainly isn't one that would be taught in academic, mainstream, clinical psychology as the model.

Even well-known psychological concepts, such as Freud's id, ego and super-ego  and Eysenck's three personality traits (extraversion, neuroticism and psychoticism) are disputed. We accept terms such as "Freudian slip" and describe people as extrovert or introvert in general language, but we are not always referring to concepts the psychologists were.

As well as identifying traits such as extroversion and neuroticism, Eysenck also proposed that certain people were susceptible to cancer due to their traits and he was also accused of racism because of his views on intelligence. It is fair to say he is not really considered a hero of psychology today.

Meyers- Briggs is used in job selection and is a great favourite of HR as being cost effective and uses similar personality traits, but my personal view of it is it is worse than useless. It was developed by a mum and daughter at home, "validated" on a few of their own family members an by some reverse miracle became the industry standard, although unsupported academically ( I know I mentioned M-B not you). 

I don't purport to be an expert on anything but Brexit, and are open to criticism. 

What I didn't do is what you did:

You opened with "mindfulness" without any further reference to what you meant by that.

Then you went straight to two unrelated personality traits and stated that it was accepted that one or the other was more or less susceptible to mental illness (this you did not support, because of course you could not).

Then you gave the example of four people (Trump, Boris, the mad scientist, and the outrageous eccentric) as people who are unlikely to develop mental illness without any evidence that this might be true and ignoring the fact that they are possibly mentally ill to start with (the mad scientist by your own definition was mentally ill).

Then you said by implication that you were mentally well.

And you finished by saying that a personality trait could and should be "taught", demonstrating you didn't even know the basics of what you had started talking about.

As I say, a mish-mash of gibberish.

I am completely open to being put straight if I am wrong on any of these points.

 

 

Personality types are hard to pin down. People change as time passes. Though certain aspect of the self are longer lasting (more dominate). At least, that's what I gather.

[Silver]

2 minutes ago, Xeno-Fish said:

Personality types are hard to pin down. People change as time passes. Though certain aspect of the self are longer lasting (more dominate). At least, that's what I gather.

Exactly! Which is why I don't like these labels being used. Tell someone they are a natural introvert and they can become more inhibited.

[XenoFish]

1 minute ago, ted hughes said:

Exactly! Which is why I don't like these labels being used. Tell someone they are a natural introvert and they can become more inhibited.

I do think that some have greater narcissistic tendencies. Yet it take consistent effort for those aspect to become "dominate". Guess you could call it a "habit of being", though I could be wrong.

[Grim Reaper 6]

5 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

This isn`t a threat to character assassinate a political you dont like, please stop the derail.

I certainly will, but every I posted was the truth. Sorry you don't agree. 

[Duke Wellington]

6 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

I certainly will, but every I posted was the truth. Sorry you don't agree. 

I should have know the mere mention of the word Trump and you would have developed an eye twitch lol.

[Grim Reaper 6]

11 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I should have know the mere mention of the word Trump and you would have developed an eye twitch lol.

You know out if respect for your wishes  I was going stay out of your thread, but then you drag me back in by quoting me. So I will get to the point and fade away and not respond here any longer.

Below is a direct quote from your OP:

Extroversion: We all know what extraverts are (and in fact I am one). They are talkative, sociable, confident, and eccentric in their views, beliefs, opinions, and the way they go about living their lives. High extroversion is the trait associated with the lowest chances of developing a mental health issue.

So why are extroverts protected? Why are Trump, Boris, the mad scientist, and the outrageous eccentric, the least likely to develop mental health issues? Well speaking as one, its because extroversion is both hilarious and it gives you a different set of coping skills to manage life stressors.

 It's very interesting that you used a comparison of yourself to Trump and others. It's also interesting that you claim that Extroversion insulates and protects those with this Character trait from mental illness. Well while introverts do have a slightly greater chance of suffer from Depression, extroverts have a much greater chance of being Narcissistic. So I must conclude without bias that your comments are not correct, and that either personality type can equally suffer from mental health issues, the only real difference is the form of mental Illness that suffer from.

JIMO

[Duke Wellington]

8 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

You know out if respect for your wishes  I was going stay out of your thread, but then you drag me back in by quoting me. So I will get to the point and fade away and not respond here any longer.

Below is a direct quote from your OP:

Extroversion: We all know what extraverts are (and in fact I am one). They are talkative, sociable, confident, and eccentric in their views, beliefs, opinions, and the way they go about living their lives. High extroversion is the trait associated with the lowest chances of developing a mental health issue.

So why are extroverts protected? Why are Trump, Boris, the mad scientist, and the outrageous eccentric, the least likely to develop mental health issues? Well speaking as one, its because extroversion is both hilarious and it gives you a different set of coping skills to manage life stressors.

It's very interesting that you used a comparison of yourself to Trump and others. It's also interesting that you claim that Extroversion insulates and protects those with this Character trait from mental illness. Well while introverts do have a slightly greater chance of suffer from Depression, extroverts have a much greater chance of being Narcissistic. So I must conclude without bias that your comments are not correct, and that either personality type can equally suffer from mental health issues, the only real difference is the form of mental Illness that suffer from.

JIMO

Well at least its on topic lol.

Introverts vs Extroverts - How Mental Health Issues May Differ Among Introverts and Extroverts: Family Addiction Specialist: Addiction Counselor

I quote on introverts `several mental health conditions such as depression, anxiety, personality disorders, eating disorders and addiction thrive on loneliness` and `thoughts of guilt, shame, worthlessness, helplessness, hopelessness, etc, and subsequently cause them to be more prone to mental health conditions`.

It does say that when people craving attention use extroversion then they are more likely to have histrionic or narcissistic personality disorders, but that would also be a combination of both high extroversion and high neuroticism together. And I would point out when thats the case the the extroversion is indeed being used by them as a learned skill to provide the coping skills that they need.

For the introverts, with the mental health conditions listed then extroversion would indeed help them.

Now saying all of the above then that does not mean extroverts have a mental illness. It is quite often a personality trait that comes from being brought up as an individual in a supportive environment where they are allowed to do their own thing. If you look at state education they dont teach that, if you go to a private school they do.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Well at least its on topic lol.

Introverts vs Extroverts - How Mental Health Issues May Differ Among Introverts and Extroverts: Family Addiction Specialist: Addiction Counselor

I quote on introverts `several mental health conditions such as depression, anxiety, personality disorders, eating disorders and addiction thrive on loneliness` and `thoughts of guilt, shame, worthlessness, helplessness, hopelessness, etc, and subsequently cause them to be more prone to mental health conditions`.

It does say that when people craving attention use extroversion then they are more likely to have histrionic or narcissistic personality disorders, but that would also be a combination of both high extroversion and high neuroticism together. And I would point out when thats the case the the extroversion is indeed being used by them as a learned skill to provide the coping skills that they need.

For the introverts, with the mental health conditions listed then extroversion would indeed help them.

Now saying all of the above then that does not mean extroverts have a mental illness. It is quite often a personality trait that comes from being brought up as an individual in a supportive environment where they are allowed to do their own thing. If you look at state education they dont teach that, if you go to a private school they do.

Thanks for your reply, and yes I can agree with what your commenting on because I did research my second response. I don't really know very much about public education. I only went to public school until the 4th grade. Then I was very lucky to receive a education in a private school until I went to college and even that was a more or less private education.

Take Care man.

[XenoFish]

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/introversion%3famp

[jmccr8]

20 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Well at least its on topic lol.

Introverts vs Extroverts - How Mental Health Issues May Differ Among Introverts and Extroverts: Family Addiction Specialist: Addiction Counselor

I quote on introverts `several mental health conditions such as depression, anxiety, personality disorders, eating disorders and addiction thrive on loneliness` and `thoughts of guilt, shame, worthlessness, helplessness, hopelessness, etc, and subsequently cause them to be more prone to mental health conditions`.

It does say that when people craving attention use extroversion then they are more likely to have histrionic or narcissistic personality disorders, but that would also be a combination of both high extroversion and high neuroticism together. And I would point out when thats the case the the extroversion is indeed being used by them as a learned skill to provide the coping skills that they need.

For the introverts, with the mental health conditions listed then extroversion would indeed help them.

Now saying all of the above then that does not mean extroverts have a mental illness. It is quite often a personality trait that comes from being brought up as an individual in a supportive environment where they are allowed to do their own thing. If you look at state education they dont teach that, if you go to a private school they do.

Not sure if you are looking at the big picture, a lot of introverts are very artistic or critical thinking and as an extrovert with discretion have seen people on both ends of the scale that could use counseling so see your perspective somewhat bias to your end. We all create reality constructs based on a myriad of self affirming reasons and here it is rum Friday and I will be mindful and say you have a unique perspective.

[Abramelin]

I think the next link gives some interesting points of view concerning un/happiness and being intro/extraverts :

https://www.psychologytoday.com/nz/blog/culture-and-people/202004/happy-extraverts-and-unhappy-introverts

Quote:

Extraversion is a trait seen favorably, especially in North America. And there are benefits of being extraverted. For example, extraverts generally have more friends, are rated as being more popular and are seen as more attractive, on average. However, recent research suggests the positive relationship with well-being is not universal. Cross-cultural variations in cultural values and residential mobility have been suggested as possible explanations for the lack of or weak positive effect of extraversion on well-being in certain Western European and East Asian countries.

That is, the phrase “happy extraverts” might only be true if the condition “in North America” is added at the end.

[Duke Wellington]

On 6/13/2021 at 4:50 PM, Abramelin said:

I think the next link gives some interesting points of view concerning un/happiness and being intro/extraverts :

https://www.psychologytoday.com/nz/blog/culture-and-people/202004/happy-extraverts-and-unhappy-introverts

Quote:

Extraversion is a trait seen favorably, especially in North America. And there are benefits of being extraverted. For example, extraverts generally have more friends, are rated as being more popular and are seen as more attractive, on average. However, recent research suggests the positive relationship with well-being is not universal. Cross-cultural variations in cultural values and residential mobility have been suggested as possible explanations for the lack of or weak positive effect of extraversion on well-being in certain Western European and East Asian countries.

That is, the phrase “happy extraverts” might only be true if the condition “in North America” is added at the end.

I can understand that, it applies in the UK too but we are both individualistic societies.

[Crazy Horse]

On 6/10/2021 at 4:29 PM, Cookie Monster said:

What in Gods name are you on about now?

The OCEAN model is used to assess personality traits in psychology, it includes extroversion and neuroticism. Its psychology that says extroverts and neurotics are the least and most likely to have a mental health issue respectively.

Haven't read the whole thread, so forgive me if you have already answered this but, unless, all extroverts are immune from mental health issues, and that all neurotics have mental health issues, then its almost meaningless in my honest opinion, because these are obviously not the root cause of those problems.

Happy, good folk get sick and die, and vice-versa.

There has to be other causes, and therefore more detail to add.