Democrats wary of emerging bipartisan infrastructure deal

[+OverSword]

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Progressive Democrats are wary of an emerging deal on infrastructure being negotiated by five Republican and five Democratic senators, fearing it could make it tougher to get prized priorities to President Biden’s desk.

The progressives are specifically worried that passing a bipartisan infrastructure package consisting of the most popular infrastructure spending priorities — such as funding for roads, bridges, rail, public transport, airports and rural broadband internet — will make it tougher to marshal support for a bigger reconciliation package down the road.

That bigger package could include many progressive prizes, such as climate change legislation, $400 billion for long-term home care and language to lower the cost of prescription drugs.

 

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I wonder if the democrats realize that negotiating is part of the process which is good because it comes up with more of a consensus of what America wants in a infrastructure bill or indeed what infrastructure is?  In my mind it is roads, bridges, trains, updated power utilities, etc.  Not long term home care and prescription drug costs.  Not that those are issues that shouldn't probably be addressed but on their own.

[+Desertrat56]

7 minutes ago, OverSword said:

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I wonder if the democrats realize that negotiating is part of the process which is good because it comes up with more of a consensus of what America wants in a infrastructure bill or indeed what infrastructure is?  In my mind it is roads, bridges, trains, updated power utilities, etc.  Not long term home care and prescription drug costs.  Not that those are issues that shouldn't probably be addressed but on their own.

I want to know what democrats.   Who is against bipartisan anything, especially an even split of the parties?   All the democrats that are worried about this are going to find themselves, along with republicans that can't reach "across the aisle" to accomplish things replaced by independents.   That is what should worry them.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Desertrat56

[+susieice]

I thought this whole infrastructure deal was proposed by Biden. I could be wrong. 

[+and-then]

57 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I wonder if the democrats realize that negotiating is part of the process which is good because it comes up with more of a consensus of what America wants

I honestly believe that they want to obligate funds to be able to spread cash around far into the future because they KNOW they aren't going to be in power for long.  Manchin and Sinema better watch their back.  They are all that stands between the hard Left and their Blutopia.

[Tatetopa]

China is committed to spending 1-2 trillion dollars on Belt and Road projects by 2027.  on what most would consider pretty traditional infrastructure projects.   In addition to that, they have committed internal funds to dominate chip manufacture, AI, batteries, and solar panels,  They are loaning out their expertise and resources to spread their trading tendrils throughout Asia and Europe.  As long as somebody keeps us fighting among ourselves, they have a free hand in the rest of the world.  Its pretty hard to be First when you drop out of the race.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-massive-belt-and-road-initiative

I am pretty sure there won't be a Blutopia, but there are likely to be a lot of red slums. 

[spartan max2]

11 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

China is committed to spending 1-2 trillion dollars on Belt and Road projects by 2027.  on what most would consider pretty traditional infrastructure projects.   In addition to that, they have committed internal funds to dominate chip manufacture, AI, batteries, and solar panels,  They are loaning out their expertise and resources to spread their trading tendrils throughout Asia and Europe.  As long as somebody keeps us fighting among ourselves, they have a free hand in the rest of the world.  Its pretty hard to be First when you drop out of the race.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-massive-belt-and-road-initiative

I am pretty sure there won't be a Blutopia, but there are likely to be a lot of red slums. 

US senate passed a bipartisan bill of 2.3 trillion to counter China's tech advancements. 

https://amp-usatoday-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/7415962002?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQHKAFQArABIA%3D%3D#aoh=16234451203867&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From %1%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.usatoday.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2F2021%2F06%2F08%2Fsenate-passes-technology-research-bill-compete-china%2F7415962002%2F

Edit: the 2.3 trillion might be wrong actually.

Edited June 11, 2021 by spartan max2

[+and-then]

53 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

I am pretty sure there won't be a Blutopia, but there are likely to be a lot of red slums. 

Last time I checked, the CCP isn't playing Saint Nick to the world and they aren't 30 trillion in debt and printing more every day.  By the standards of those who inhabit these blue bastions, red cities and states are already slums.  I live in a location that is considered to be far less "worthy" than their parts of the nation.  They are welcome to their opinions.  I'll be insulated from the chaos we'll see in those cities once the collapse finally occurs.

Perhaps someone here will explain the "new economics" to me rather than predictably denying any responsibility by the DC Left for that collapse.  I won't hold my breath.

[+Desertrat56]

15 minutes ago, and then said:

Last time I checked, the CCP isn't playing Saint Nick to the world and they aren't 30 trillion in debt and printing more every day.  By the standards of those who inhabit these blue bastions, red cities and states are already slums.  I live in a location that is considered to be far less "worthy" than their parts of the nation.  They are welcome to their opinions.  I'll be insulated from the chaos we'll see in those cities once the collapse finally occurs.

Perhaps someone here will explain the "new economics" to me rather than predictably denying any responsibility by the DC Left for that collapse.  I won't hold my breath.

What new economics are you talking about?   The only thing that has changed is that the inflation is being blamed on a virus.

[Tatetopa]

42 minutes ago, and then said:

Last time I checked, the CCP isn't playing Saint Nick to the world and they aren't 30 trillion in debt and printing more every day. 

Check again.  CCP is giving loans, grants, and material development aid to 68 countries to expand their belt and road trading network. 

I am not looking for a socialist state or non-compromising Democrats.  Both parties should direct and compromise on progress not freeze it or regress to the past.

Want to stop printing money?  Simple.  Change the tax laws.   The 2017 reset was widely cheered, but increased the deficit. and decreased  tax income.

Trickle down does not work.  McConnel's idea to make middle class pay for everything is not fair.

Keep the max rate where it is if you still believe in trickle down.  Raise corporate minimum and billionaire tax from 0% to 10% .  That is still less than many of us pay. 

We don't need socialism.  We don't need to take everything from billionaires and give it to the poor, that makes no sense.  It also makes no sense for the wealthy to think they are above taxes as they are above the law.

I don't know whose opinion you are worried about.  There are decent people and jerks on both sides.  

Why do you think less "worthy" anyway?

 

 

[+DieChecker]

On 6/11/2021 at 1:51 PM, Tatetopa said:

China is committed to spending 1-2 trillion dollars on Belt and Road projects by 2027.  on what most would consider pretty traditional infrastructure projects.   In addition to that, they have committed internal funds to dominate chip manufacture, AI, batteries, and solar panels,  They are loaning out their expertise and resources to spread their trading tendrils throughout Asia and Europe.  As long as somebody keeps us fighting among ourselves, they have a free hand in the rest of the world.  Its pretty hard to be First when you drop out of the race.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/chinas-massive-belt-and-road-initiative

I am pretty sure there won't be a Blutopia, but there are likely to be a lot of red slums. 

True. Much of which involves concrete/cement. Lots of contruction which is unneeded. They build abandoned cities in the deserts and roads to nowhere. 

China used a bit more then half the world's concrete every year. Concrete accounts for 8% to 10% of all greenhouse CO2 emissions as it cures.

Good job China. Eyeroll.....

[+DieChecker]

I dont have an issue with infrastructure spending. Trump should have done so.

I do have a problem when the bill has tens, or hundreds, of billions, in pork riding inside. 

There's also the issue of what is infrastructure? These need to be hammered out. Bipartisanship isn't a dirty word, its called compromise so things get done. Every politician before 2007 did it, all the way back to the Reveloution. 

[+OverSword]

Maybe we can narrow down what infrastructure is by asking the democrats what is not infrastructure.

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Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Tuesday amplified her plans to link a bipartisan infrastructure agreement to a second package of Democratic economic priorities, rebuffing an appeal from Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to decouple the two bills.

In a closed-door meeting with her caucus in the Capitol, Pelosi said her initial strategy — to withhold a House infrastructure vote until the Senate passes a larger, partisan families plan — remains unchanged, according to lawmakers in attendance.

"What the Speaker has said, and I totally agree with her, is that we're not going to vote on one until the Senate sends us both," Rep. John Yarmuth (D-Ky.), chairman of the House Budget Committee, told reporters after the meeting. "That's not changed."

The remarks came several days after President Biden had shaken the infrastructure debate — first by vowing to veto the emerging bipartisan bill if it's not accompanied by the Democrats' larger social benefits package; and then by backing off of that threat after an outcry from moderate GOP senators.

 

I love that last bit.  Biden won't sign unless the "bi-partisan" deal includes everything the democrats want.  The government is split about 50/50 but what one side wants is the only thing that counts then?  At least he backed down from that position.  This is pathetic.  

Edited June 29, 2021 by OverSword

[Raptor Witness]

In my red state, for example, they are digging up roadbeds to repair major arteries, because they failed to maintain the roads for so long that they deteriorated beyond a point where they could simply repave them. This cost three times more, because of poor stewardship.

The Republicans led the charge, which wasted a trillion dollars in the Middle East, and lied through their teeth to do it.

So I’m in no mood to hear from the Republicans about their views on infrastructure. Their only goal is to be subversive to the Biden agenda. They do not act in good faith, whatsoever.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Raptor Witness