Outrage grows as Justice seeks to contain subpoena fallout

[Vorg]

Attorney General Merrick Garland is scrambling to contain the fallout of a widening Justice Department scandal as Democratic allies and the press express outrage over revelations that his agency secretly obtained records of lawmakers, reporters and dozens of others as it carried out aggressive leak investigations during the Trump presidency.

 

"What I think we are seeing is that it was worse than all of us even imagined. We knew the Department of Justice had become, in a sense, the personal arm of the Donald Trump protection racket," Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Mark Warner (D-Va.) said Monday during a Washington Post Live event. "These stories sound Nixonian but they are actually worse than Nixonian.

 

Edited June 14, 2021 by South Alabam

[Vorg]

He weaponized the Justice Department to go after his political enemies, and his followers will be O.K with this I suppose, but not with how Obama weaponized the IRS?

If you cannot see Trump's corruption by now, you have blinders on and choose to be willfully ignorant.

And anytime I see laugh emojis for my comments, I can be sure it is Aztec or Andthen, unless it is something actually funny.

Edited June 14, 2021 by South Alabam

[aztek]

so what , feds and media are personal arms of liberals, as bad as trump is, the other side is much worse

[+OverSword]

28 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

He weaponized the Justice Department to go after his political enemies, and his followers will be O.K with this I suppose, but not with how Obama weaponized the IRS?

That's because leaking classified information is against the law and is a breach of security.  No politician is allowed by themselves to decide which classified information you may anonymously give to the NYT.  Non thread.  Manufactured outrage with story completely out of context with facts.

Edited June 14, 2021 by OverSword

[Tatetopa]

  I can see this on a couple of levels.

First, secret information from closed meetings was being leaked to the press.  The administration was looking for the leaker.  That is a valid use of the DOJ. .  Apparently they did not find the leaker.  It seems they looked only at Democrats though.

Second, it is entirely possible that the President was  using the DOJ as a personal attack squad.  

Third, not just Congress but any  citizen can be targeted with a secret  information search like that.  At that level, there is something very uncomfortable about this DOJ ability to spy on Americans..

The silver lining for the Dems is that Trump's DOJ had 4 years to investigate Obama, Biden, Hillary, Pelosi, Schiff and anybody else they wanted and yet came up with nothing. that they could use for prosecution or blackmail. The DOJ was able to access phone records for entire families.   That is a whole lot more power and a deeper investigation than media can do.  

 

 

 

 

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

The DOJ was able to access phone records for entire families.   That is a whole lot more power and a deeper investigation than media can do.  

Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that part

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

That's because leaking classified information is against the law and is a breach of security.  No politician is allowed by themselves to decide which classified information you may anonymously give to the NYT.  Non thread.  Manufactured outrage with story completely out of context with facts.

The perpetually outraged crowd in the Democrat party has lost any sense of fairness or "equal justice under law".  They seem to literally believe that it's only a crime when their opponents break the law.  Pathetic, actually.

[Gromdor]

I must say I find this amusing.  It means stuff that we were told was "Fake News" or lies by a disgruntled employee were in fact true for a subpoena to be issued to try and catch them.  It also means that even after weaponizing the Justice Department, Trump couldn't dig up any dirt on the Democrats or the reporters that could be used against them.

The down side is that it pretty much sets the precedent that the President and the DOJ can issue subpoenas to spy on whoever.  I mean Trump, Gaetz, McConnel and the like would all be fair game unless we stop and punish the people who did it this time around. 

I do have to say I find this attitude amusing as well:

13 minutes ago, and then said:

The perpetually outraged crowd in the Democrat party has lost any sense of fairness or "equal justice under law".  They seem to literally believe that it's only a crime when their opponents break the law.  Pathetic, actually.

 A crime is a crime after all.  If one political party overlooks it when it happens and another doesn't then it's pretty obvious which party is aiding and abetting crime and which one is prosecuting it.  

[Silver]

9 hours ago, aztek said:

so what , feds and media are personal arms of liberals, as bad as trump is, the other side is much worse

We have similar complaints in the UK:

The Main-stream Media is always saying the Johnson government is corrupt and breaks the law!

Judges and courts are always saying the Johnson government is corrupt and breaks the law!

Independent lawyers are always saying the Johnson government is corrupt and breaks the law!

International law agencies are always saying the Johnson government is corrupt and breaks the law!

We need to shut down the media, curtail the power of courts and lawyers, and let the government decide what is legal or not!

The only news channels that should be allowed should be GBNews and Breibart!

Then everyone will hear what we want them to hear!

 

[Piney]

31 minutes ago, ted hughes said:

We need to shut down the media, curtail the power of courts and lawyers, and let the government decide what is legal or not based on the laws of God as written in the Bible!

[Robotic Jew]

9 hours ago, and then said:

The perpetually outraged crowd in the Democrat party has lost any sense of fairness or "equal justice under law".  They seem to literally believe that it's only a crime when their opponents break the law.  Pathetic, actually.

[Vorg]

15 hours ago, aztek said:

so what , feds and media are personal arms of liberals, as bad as trump is, the other side is much worse

That doesn't make either side right. It just shows how out of control the American people are with a "Government by the people, for the people."

They keep electing the same old same olds over and over.

[Vorg]

14 hours ago, OverSword said:

That's because leaking classified information is against the law and is a breach of security.  No politician is allowed by themselves to decide which classified information you may anonymously give to the NYT.  Non thread.  Manufactured outrage with story completely out of context with facts.

But it is being reported in other articles it was done illegally. Even unconstitutionally. 

[NinoWhite301]

At the end of the day, I'm back to how I felt about the USG before Trump got elected. I was hopeful for a new direction being taken in US politics beyond the same 2 sides pretending we have a democracy. I should have known better. Even though I voted for Trump the second time (I was in prison Obama's first and second terms for marijuana) I see now that TPTB needed to pretend there was so much friction with Trump to give people the sense change might happen. That possible change away from Fascism/MIC (Fascism: being governed by corporations) died with JFK unfortunately.

[aztek]

42 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

That doesn't make either side right. It just shows how out of control the American people are with a "Government by the people, for the people."

They keep electing the same old same olds over and over.

you whole thread is about how bad trump is. 

[Vorg]

16 hours ago, aztek said:

so what , feds and media are personal arms of liberals, as bad as trump is, the other side is much worse

And you replied about how bad the other side is.

[aztek]

7 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

And you replied about how bad the other side is.

exactly, the difference is the other side is in power now, and you voted for them, and now you complain how bad they are,  LMOA,  trump is out of the picture for more than a year, yet you still hung on him.  

i know it is a defense mechanism, you have to do it otherwise, you have to admit what a mess you put this country into by voting for  senile moron, and Marxist socialists,  so keep posting how bad trump is, lol

Edited June 15, 2021 by aztek

[Tatetopa]

17 hours ago, OverSword said:

Oh I wouldn't be so sure about that part

Maybe.  Money is the universal solvent after all.  But if you are a journalist, you might not have enough money to bribe a hacker of Apple technician and if you cross the DOJ and get caught, bad juju.  If you are Rupert Murdoch, you got the money and live in another country, you could do it with chump change.  But again, if you get caught, the financial cost may be more than the story was worth.    Doesn't mean  it couldn't happen though, just that there is a risk in it that a good reporter examining public records and  following the money doesn't face. 

[+OverSword]

People need to keep in mind that a leak and a whistle blower are not the same thing.  There is nothing to be outraged about for investigating the source of a leak. Currently they are investigating if the investigation went past legal boundaries  and the truth is we have no idea if it did or not.  We do know that part of the outrage was the request for metadata of a couple of Democrats from apple by the DOJ.  We also know that Apple does not simply hand over anything to the government ever.  If they did you can bet there was a warrant for that information.  Time will tell.

Edited June 15, 2021 by OverSword

[Vorg]

4 hours ago, aztek said:

exactly, the difference is the other side is in power now, and you voted for them, and now you complain how bad they are,  LMOA,  trump is out of the picture for more than a year, yet you still hung on him.  

i know it is a defense mechanism, you have to do it otherwise, you have to admit what a mess you put this country into by voting for  senile moron, and Marxist socialists,  so keep posting how bad trump is, lol

I didn't vote for them. I just despise Trump as well.