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Poorer white school pupils neglected for decades

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"It's nothing short of a scandal" how white working class pupils in England have been "let down and neglected" by the education system for decades, says a hard-hitting report from MPs.

Robert Halfon, education select committee chairman, dismissed "divisive concepts like 'white privilege' that pit one group against another".

Poorer white pupils are falling behind "every step of the way", he warned.

The Department for Education said it was investing in "levelling up".

Full article at the BBC: Link

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Ted E Hughes
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Robert Halfon- privately educated, once claimed £30k expenses to have an affair while he was MP, later claimed she was blackmailing him.

Campaigned for cheaper petrol ( so not really on board with global warming issues).

Halfon voted against the Marriage (Same Sex Couples) Act 2013.

Once took the National Union of Students to the HCHR because he did not wish to be a member (it was thrown out).

So quite a complex character.

I'm going to suggest this is a "divide and rule" ploy- get the poor whites to believe the poor blacks are getting all the cookies.

If the ruling Tory Party really wanted to improve the lives of poor white working class children they could easily do so (for example they could fund free meals for the poorest in the holidays instead of spending 10x that amount on a yacht or two presidential jets for Johnson to fly around the world showing off his green credentials).

 

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Cookie Monster
1 hour ago, Eldorado said:

"It's nothing short of a scandal" how white working class pupils in England have been "let down and neglected" by the education system for decades, says a hard-hitting report from MPs.

Robert Halfon, education select committee chairman, dismissed "divisive concepts like 'white privilege' that pit one group against another".

Poorer white pupils are falling behind "every step of the way", he warned.

The Department for Education said it was investing in "levelling up".

Full article at the BBC: Link

The main difference in those who end up with a degree and those who struggle to get out of high school without a decent set of qualifications are the parents.

In low performing households you find the parents are clueless. They let the school system teach them everything and dont participate in the upbringing of their own children. In high performing households you find both parents getting involved early on doing work on their children. As such, when their children start school they already know how to read, write, and do maths.

They recon from the start children from low income households are 5 years behind.

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ethereal_scout

Don't know how you can "un-neglect" someone in school. 

I hated school. 

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Ted E Hughes
25 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The main difference in those who end up with a degree and those who struggle to get out of high school without a decent set of qualifications are the parents.

In low performing households you find the parents are clueless. They let the school system teach them everything and dont participate in the upbringing of their own children. In high performing households you find both parents getting involved early on doing work on their children. As such, when their children start school they already know how to read, write, and do maths.

They recon from the start children from low income households are 5 years behind.

The main difference in educational performance is down to class.

The main difference in class is money.

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Ted E Hughes
19 minutes ago, ethereal_scout said:

Don't know how you can "un-neglect" someone in school. 

I hated school. 

Lots of children really enjoy school (and college, and university).

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It all comes down to pupils and their family IMO - if they are for work and learning the family (and their kids) will get somewhere. Think giving teachers another 10k and thinking class performance will suddenly increase is short sighted.

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"Nothing highlights the bourgeois smugness of intersectionality better than the fact that a paper like the Guardian will publish article after article about every identity group in the land and then clutch its ethically sourced pearls the minute anyone mentions the words ‘working class’."

The Guardian is at it again today with a front-page splash saying: ‘Tory MPs accused of adding fuel to “culture war” in education report.’

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/22/white-working-class-kids-are-casualties-of-the-culture-war/

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Ted E Hughes
1 hour ago, itsnotoutthere said:

"Nothing highlights the bourgeois smugness of intersectionality better than the fact that a paper like the Guardian will publish article after article about every identity group in the land and then clutch its ethically sourced pearls the minute anyone mentions the words ‘working class’."

The Guardian is at it again today with a front-page splash saying: ‘Tory MPs accused of adding fuel to “culture war” in education report.’

 

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/06/22/white-working-class-kids-are-casualties-of-the-culture-war/

Spiked is a horrible right-wing piece of rubbish, isn't it?

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11 minutes ago, ted hughes said:

Spiked is a horrible right-wing piece of rubbish, isn't it?

No. Or do you mean as in the Guardian is a far left piece of garbage?.... i.e. it has different values to the Guardian more in line with the population at large...which is a good thing.

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Ted E Hughes
4 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

No. Or do you mean as in the Guardian is a far left piece of garbage?.... i.e. it has different values to the Guardian more in line with the population at large...which is a good thing.

Spiked has no values. It is inline with working class Brexiters who don't know they are being played for suckers. The Guardian is a respected newspaper.

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Ted E Hughes
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If the Tory government really cared about poor white children, they would spend the same on education as the other wealthy countries in Europe:• Education spending Europe 2018 | Statista

Instead, they are trying to blame immigration- because they know that will be loved  by the working class suckers who vote for them.

Edit: You may hit a paywall: 

Share of GDP spent on education in European Union member states in 2018

 Education spending among member states of the European Union ranged from 6.9 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) in Sweden to 3.2 percent of GDP in Romania. As an overall average, the amount spent on education in Europe overall was 4.6 percent of GDP in this year. The UK spending was 4.2%

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itsnotoutthere
3 minutes ago, ted hughes said:

Spiked has no values. It is inline with working class Brexiters who don't know they are being played for suckers. The Guardian is a respected newspaper.

Yes, I hear the BBC buy most copies.

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2 minutes ago, ted hughes said:

If the Tory government really cared about poor white children, they would spend the same on education as the rest of Europe:• Education spending Europe 2018 | Statista

Instead, they are trying to blame immigration- because they know that will be loved  by the working class suckers who vote for them.

Careful, your class bigotry is beginning to show.

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2 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Yes, I hear the BBC buy most copies.

The BBC is also respected and a respectable news source. 

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2 minutes ago, ted hughes said:

The BBC is also respected and a respectable news source. 

"The BBC is losing young viewers, audiences in the North and Midlands as well as the trust of the Bame community, the broadcaster’s annual report revealed.

Director-General Tim Davie’s mission to ensure the BBC has relevance for the whole of Britain is being threatened by the drift to streaming services and a perception that the broadcaster is speaking to a southern, metropolitan elite."

https://inews.co.uk/news/media/bbc-losing-young-viewers-audiences-north-bame-community-trust-645865

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Ted E Hughes
1 minute ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Careful, your class bigotry is beginning to show.

 In response to: Instead, they are trying to blame immigration- because they know that will be loved  by the working class suckers who vote for them.

I say "sucker" because anyone who isn't wealthy and voted for the Tories is voting massively against their own interests- like suckers.

 

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4 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

"The BBC is losing young viewers, audiences in the North and Midlands as well as the trust of the Bame community, the broadcaster’s annual report revealed.

Director-General Tim Davie’s mission to ensure the BBC has relevance for the whole of Britain is being threatened by the drift to streaming services and a perception that the broadcaster is speaking to a southern, metropolitan elite."

https://inews.co.uk/news/media/bbc-losing-young-viewers-audiences-north-bame-community-trust-645865

Tim Davie is a big Tory donor. He was installed by the Tories to hoodwink people like you: New BBC Chairman has Donated Over £400,000 to the Conservative Party – Byline Times

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Cookie Monster
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8 hours ago, ted hughes said:

The main difference in educational performance is down to class.

The main difference in class is money.

Its the same national curriculum taught to the same standard and monitored to make sure it is done as such.

The difference is the private schools teach individualism and kids are around individuals, while the state schools have the bottom riffraff mixed in with their negativity and insecurities and herdism.

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Cookie Monster
8 hours ago, ethereal_scout said:

It all comes down to pupils and their family IMO - if they are for work and learning the family (and their kids) will get somewhere. Think giving teachers another 10k and thinking class performance will suddenly increase is short sighted.

I agree, there is no shortage of equipment.

And quite frankly if there was (when there isn`t) nothing on earth would stop a kid from learned if they wanted too.

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Cookie Monster
3 hours ago, ted hughes said:

 In response to: Instead, they are trying to blame immigration- because they know that will be loved  by the working class suckers who vote for them.

I say "sucker" because anyone who isn't wealthy and voted for the Tories is voting massively against their own interests- like suckers.

 

In London there are a lot of pro-immigration middle class who funnily enough are immigrants.

Outside of London the middle class (and I speak as one of them) are majority in favour of restricted immigration. Only an actual brain drain in of those with skills we actually need, plus one or two exceptions like ex-KGB agents.

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1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Its the same national curriculum taught to the same standard and monitored to make sure it is done as such.

The difference is the private schools teach individualism and kids are around individuals, while the state schools have the bottom riffraff mixed in with their negativity and insecurities and herdism.

You do make me laugh! Honestly!

You said this in your first post in this thread: "They rec(k)on from the start children from low income households are 5 years behind."

Then you say it is not income, it is the fact they are "riff raff".

Perhaps it is both, they don't achieve educationally because they are poor riff raff? Then what should we do with them?

 
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5 minutes ago, ted hughes said:

You do make me laugh! Honestly!

You said this in your first post in this thread: "They rec(k)on from the start children from low income households are 5 years behind."

Then you say it is not income, it is the fact they are "riff raff".

Perhaps it is both, they don't achieve educationally because they are poor riff raff? Then what should we do with them?

 

The lower social orders are incompetent, irrelevant, and cannot behave normally.

Thats why they are at the bottom. Be it towards their own kids, the laws of society, or the rules of the workplace. The peasantry never rise anywhere because in their minds they are peasants. 

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ethereal_scout
4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

The peasantry never rise anywhere because in their minds they are peasants. 

Peasants know food just grows, so they at least know what food is and isn't. Peasants know what food is and they spend so long trying to get their hands on it they've got no time left for anything else.

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Setton
6 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Its the same national curriculum taught to the same standard and monitored to make sure it is done as such.

 

It is absolutely not taught to the same standard everywhere. You might have heard of Ofsted.

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The difference is the private schools teach individualism and kids are around individuals, while the state schools have the bottom riffraff mixed in with their negativity and insecurities and herdism.

The difference is that private schools can afford the very best teachers, the smallest class sizes, any and every resource that might help and the parents can afford private tutors outside of school hours.

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