"I think, therefore I am"

[+Sherapy]

1 minute ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

 

Seriously, who the f!ck does he think he is to say "we should put the women in charge"? As if it's up to us to decide whether or not they can cook on the barbecue...

What's mine is my partner's, and vice versa. 

Rip Van Winkle comes to mind. 

[+Sherapy]

On 11/9/2021 at 12:33 AM, XenoFish said:

You're coming from your own ego. Driven by the desires to be something more than you are. At the heart of all spiritual aspirations is egotism. 

Exactly, and it is a good point, my add too is I observe the Dunning Kruger effect is his operational mode which is very common for a novice. Long term practitioners tend to see themselves in terms of mindlessness as opposed to bragging about how mindful they are. 

 

‘’Mediation is specific in the sense one is making note of when  awareness is lost in the past or the future ( thoughts)in other words, the moments throughout the day we are mindless we use the practice of meditation to gently return ourselves to the present moment. Ones goal, isn’t to stop ones thoughts, but to stay present. 
 

I would apply great skepticism  towards the suggestions for help.

 

[Crazy Horse]

On 11/16/2021 at 1:42 PM, quiXilver said:

A few quotes regarding the interconnectedness of reality by one of my heroes, David Bohm.

These observations were thoughts.  Thoughts that were realizations about the nature of the fabric of reality according to the perceptual modeling of one of humanities most adroit and potent minds. 

Thoughts are very real.  In fact, they comprise most of your reality.

So, take great care, what you allow yourself to think.

 

We are all linked by a fabric of unseen connections. This fabric is constantly changing and evolving. This field is directly structured and influenced by our behavior and by our understanding.
David Bohm

 We are internally related to everything, not [just] externally related. Consciousness is an internal relationship to the whole, we take in the whole, and we act toward the whole. Whatever we have taken in determines basically what we are. Wholeness is a kind of attitude or approach to the whole of life. If we can have a coherent approach to reality then reality will respond coherently to us.
David Bohm

 In Nature nothing remains constant. Everything is in a perpetual state of transformation, motion and change.
David Bohm

 Space is not empty. It is full, a plenum as opposed to a vacuum, and is the ground for the existence of everything, including ourselves. The universe is not separate from this cosmic sea of energy.
David Bohm

 

What is Real is unchanging, essential, and substantial.

Thoughts come and go, they do not last, and therefore are, ultimately speaking, unreal.

GOD is the Ground of all Being, unchanging pure consciousness. 

The good news is, is that you have this unchanging pure consciousness within, and one may merge fully with THAT.

[+Liquid Gardens]

4 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Thoughts come and go, they do not last, and therefore are, ultimately speaking, unreal.

So do flowers and zits, pretty sure they are still real.

[Mr Walker]

22 hours ago, Sherapy said:

Nonsense,, nowadays boys love to cook and many are quite good at it, too. 
 

‘’Lots of women barbecue, too. They don’t need your okay to have a go at it, mr. “I am not superior to anyone.” 
 

You truly don't read my posts do you? 

Not only do women have the right to do as the y wish, they (in general) happen to be better cooks than men.

That is probably because even today more girls are taught to cook than boys or it might be the result of millions of years of evolutionary adaptation. 

Second, "genetically", men are cognitively  specialists, and women  are generalists, due to the evolution of human labour over millions of years 

Hence, men tend to be be the best specialists at a particular task, but  more women tend to be overall more competent  at most tasks 

Thus the top exerts in many fields tend to be men, but there tend to be more very good women in those fields 

ie the top 10 chefs in the world are all men, but overall there are more women in the professional food catering and cooking field than men  and thus more competent women cooks than men

Likewise, the top 10 computer programmers in the world are men, but generally women are better at using computers than men and do more jobs using computers than men.

[+Sherapy]

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

You truly don't read my posts do you? 

Not only do women have the right to do as the y wish, they (in general) happen to be better cooks than men.

That is probably because even today more girls are taught to cook than boys or it might be the result of millions of years of evolutionary adaptation. 

Second, "genetically", men are cognitively  specialists, and women  are generalists, due to the evolution of human labour over millions of years 

Hence, men tend to be be the best specialists at a particular task, but  more women tend to be overall more competent  at most tasks 

Thus the top exerts in many fields tend to be men, but there tend to be more very good women in those fields 

ie the top 10 chefs in the world are all men, but overall there are more women in the professional food catering and cooking field than men  and thus more competent women cooks than men

Likewise, the top 10 computer programmers in the world are men, but generally women are better at using computers than men and do more jobs using computers than men.

Another Google cut and paste contribution by MW. 

 

 

‘’

[+Hammerclaw]

Amazing, how so many reinvent that which was already made, preening themselves and shouting for all to come and see their "new" creation.

Ecclesiastes Chapter 1:

The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem.

2Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.

3What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun?

4One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

5The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose.

6The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits.

7All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again.

8All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing.

9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[+Hammerclaw]

11 hours ago, Sherapy said:

Exactly, and it is a good point, my add too is I observe the Dunning Kruger effect is his operational mode which is very common for a novice. Long term practitioners tend to see themselves in terms of mindlessness as opposed to bragging about how mindful they are. 

 

‘’Mediation is specific in the sense one is making note of when  awareness is lost in the past or the future ( thoughts)in other words, the moments throughout the day we are mindless we use the practice of meditation to gently return ourselves to the present moment. Ones goal, isn’t to stop ones thoughts, but to stay present. 
 

I would apply great skepticism  towards the suggestions for help.

 

There are different types of meditation, Sheri, Mindfulness Meditation being but one. 

What Is Contemplative Meditation? | The Guided Meditation Framework™

[+Sherapy]

20 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

There are different types of meditation, Sheri, Mindfulness Meditation being but one. 

What Is Contemplative Meditation? | The Guided Meditation Framework™

Everything has its woo, including meditation.  

Edited November 18, 2021 by Sherapy

[Freez1]

On 6/28/2021 at 2:43 PM, lightly said:

Life comes into us through our belly buttons.      and I always tend to suspect that  'this' life may be just a glimmer of an all encompassing and timeless ONE .    Sumpin'er other ???      

And straight out the pooper

[+Hammerclaw]

1 hour ago, Sherapy said:

Everything has its woo, including meditation.  

What one gets out of it, be it mindfulness meditation, or contemplative meditation, is commensurate with what intent and with what effort one puts into it. Whether one seeks therapy or illumination being the determinative factor. 

[jmccr8]

Hey Guys

I'm heading down the block for a couple of cool ones and when your done thinking about whether you am or not come down for a couple, I'll warm up the pool table while I'm waiting.

[+Hammerclaw]

Just now, jmccr8 said:

Hey Guys

I'm heading down the block for a couple of cool ones and when your done thinking about whether you am or not come down for a couple, I'll warm up the pool table while I'm waiting.

No darts?

[jmccr8]

Just now, Hammerclaw said:

No darts?

Hi Hammer

Yes the have darts but when I am by myself I like to relax playing rotation because you have to hit the low ball to sink or kiss/combination shot so it isn't just shoot the easy shot.

[jmccr8]

So now there is no edit feature?

Fortunately I am sober and not having cap locks malfunctions

[ChrLzs]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

So now there is no edit feature?

Fortunately I am sober and not having cap locks malfunctions

Click the 3 dots at top right.  Saru's trying to put it back.

[Crazy Horse]

9 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

So do flowers and zits, pretty sure they are still real.

Flowers are a nice example..

From a tiny seed, add the soil, the rain, the clouds, the earth, sunshine, time and space, a beautiful flower arises to its full beauty fading back to dust.

And its precisely the fact that it is un-lasting, and is a composite of all those different things, that one may call it unreal and illusionary.

The actual Real is unchanging.

But one must study these ideas to understand them, such as the two truths, otherwise the level of intelligence is not sufficient.

 

[Mr Walker]

20 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

 

Seriously, who the f!ck does he think he is to say "we should put the women in charge"? As if it's up to us to decide whether or not they can cook on the barbecue...

What's mine is my partner's, and vice versa. 

Another poor reader

I pointed out that (in my experience over hundreds of barbecues) most blokes do a pretty poor job 

The women bring  along a  variety of delicious  home made salads, dips and  desserts.

Generally the common Aussie barbecue has  the alpha male cooking chops sausages and,  if you are lucky, some steak 

In addition onions and sliced potatoes are thrown on the hot plate. 

Usually the meat is over cooked on the outside and undercooked inside, sometimes due to poor cooking skills, and sometimes due to too much concentrating on drinking beer and  talkig tthe mates 

In a slightly wealthier working class area, or in seaside towns  you might also get oysters prawns and shasliks   and a variety of fresh or crumbed fish thrown on the Barbie.

These are easy to cook and hard to ruin

 

Now, let a woman on the barbie and you might also get stuffed  mushrooms, stuffed capsicums,  stuffed   eggplant.

  You will get tomatoes and other tasty veges as wel.

l The meat will be cooked better and more consistently  because  the woman is more skilled and also takes pride in the result 

 

Of course there are exceptions. Some  blokes are culinary masters  but generally they operate smokers pizza ovens and other outside devices requiring more expertise 

So my personal  opinion was that, being a person who enjoys their food you will get a better outcome if a woman does the cooking 

As a non drinker the taste is also more important to me than to a bloke so drunk he hardly knows what he is eating   

And yep in Aussie culture male operation of the barbie is so entrenched tha t it requires affirmative action to allow a woman anywhere near one. Its the area of  the yard reserved for the blokes   with an esky full of ice and beers close by. 

More is the pity, I reckon 

Ps in our household we divided labour by skill levels  (until my wife became too disabled to do much) 

I am the better cook, having been taught since infancy, while my wife never really learned cooking at home or school 

Thus, by mutual agreement, I have done all the cooking for over 40 years 

[jmccr8]

45 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Another poor reader

I pointed out that (in my experience over hundreds of barbecues) most blokes do a pretty poor job 

The women bring  along a  variety of delicious  home made salads, dips and  desserts.

Generally the common Aussie barbecue has  the alpha male cooking chops sausages and,  if you are lucky, some steak 

In addition onions and sliced potatoes are thrown on the hot plate. 

Usually the meat is over cooked on the outside and undercooked inside, sometimes due to poor cooking skills, and sometimes due to too much concentrating on drinking beer and  talkig tthe mates 

In a slightly wealthier working class area, or in seaside towns  you might also get oysters prawns and shasliks   and a variety of fresh or crumbed fish thrown on the Barbie.

These are easy to cook and hard to ruin

 

Now, let a woman on the barbie and you might also get stuffed  mushrooms, stuffed capsicums,  stuffed   eggplant.

  You will get tomatoes and other tasty veges as wel.

l The meat will be cooked better and more consistently  because  the woman is more skilled and also takes pride in the result 

 

Of course there are exceptions. Some  blokes are culinary masters  but generally they operate smokers pizza ovens and other outside devices requiring more expertise 

So my personal  opinion was that, being a person who enjoys their food you will get a better outcome if a woman does the cooking 

As a non drinker the taste is also more important to me than to a bloke so drunk he hardly knows what he is eating   

And yep in Aussie culture male operation of the barbie is so entrenched tha t it requires affirmative action to allow a woman anywhere near one. Its the area of  the yard reserved for the blokes   with an esky full of ice and beers close by. 

More is the pity, I reckon 

Ps in our household we divided labour by skill levels  (until my wife became too disabled to do much) 

I am the better cook, having been taught since infancy, while my wife never really learned cooking at home or school 

Thus, by mutual agreement, I have done all the cooking for over 40 years 

Hi Walker

Maybe you should have practiced your drinking skills a little more before you gave up hope. Maybe where your from but I know lots of guys that are good cooks and actually put on a good spread at a bbq, steaks, burgers, kabobs and salmon or chicken with raw veggies and dip with rice/potatoes, corn on the cob and salad as the better you eat the more booze you can hold.

[+Nuclear Wessel]

1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

"Not only do women have the right to do as the y wish, they (in general) happen to be better cooks than men."

...

"And yep in Aussie culture male operation of the barbie is so entrenched tha t it requires affirmative action to allow a woman anywhere near one. Its the area of  the yard reserved for the blokes   with an esky full of ice and beers close by. "

You don't exactly strike me as the advocate of the year for women's rights.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Nuclear Wessel

[Mr Walker]

18 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

You don't exactly strike me as the advocate of the year for women's rights.

lol That is in your perception.

I dont know why you feel that way,

Perhaps just a general dislike of me  

I believe in the right of every human being to pursue their potentials and goals, which will fulfil them and make them  happy 

To be fully liberated a woman (and a man)must be completely free to choose their own life path Ie if either wants to be a fulltime parent that is admirable. if either wants to be a fulltime worker in any field that should also be facilitated rather than discouraged   Neither should be pressured by individuals or social expectations to be anything other than what makes them happy and fulfilled 

My wife is the most truly liberated woman i have ever met.  ie she is not  compelled by any ideology  or person   to be anything but what she wants to be, or do anything with her life other than what she chooses to do

She doesn't wear make up or jewellery and refuses to conform  to the way society expects women to be. She was ever thus, and was known as a tomboy by the name of Jack Spratt when she was young.  

When we bought and sold our last houses, our bank manager, accountant, and  real estate  agent  were  all women and two of them were ex students of mine My last principal was a woman and an ex student  The head of my local library is a woman and    one of my ex student teachers 

My doctor   is a woman, are many of the professionals in my life Women own and run many of the businesses in my town My sister is an equal partner in a multimillion dollar oyster business

My gardener is one. 

However my electrician and  plumber are both blokes.   (just no women tradies around. 

I actually prefer women  for company, and as professionals in many areas,  due  to their  personalities and competence. . 

My mother worked to help support the family, once all her kids were school age (and this was back in the 1960s) .

I  contributed to writing  education dept. policy on the needs of girls in education and helped change the curriculum, methodology and assessment methods which until the 1970s had all favoured males.

I also helped rewrite discipline /behaviour management policies to make them more inline with the needs of girls.

I parented girls (and boys)  from childhood 'til late adolescence.

Human rights come first,  over gender or individual rights, but  to enable human rights, gender and individual needs must be taken into account 

ps as child I was taught by my mother and grandmother to cook, knit, sew, crotchet,  iron and  take part in social gatherings like afternoon teas  with groups of women.

I was taught by my father to hunt, trap, shoot, fish ,and to make and fix things mechanical. 

  

 

 

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Mr Walker

[Mr Walker]

Just to add to the previous post.

(I had to go and do the shopping then begin to get tea ready and it wouldn't let me add to the post )

on blokes and bbqs quote 

What a year 2020 has been and for many as we head into the festive season, able to spend time with family and friends, the BBQs across Australia will be sizzling with anticipation.

As you are enjoying a snag and taking a sip of your favourite bevvie, do one more thing. Take a really good look around as the men congregate around the BBQ and the women prepare salads in another room.

It is the same segregation of the past that modern society giggles at, such as twin beds and men and women on opposite sides of the dinner table, so men can speak of important things and women can discuss the children and cooking tips.

Yet it happens most weekends in Australia and sadly it is a segregation we see at senior management levels in businesses across Australia.

The good news for our leading firms is that wonderful new thinking and skilled individuals who will fill these roles will help your business do even better financially.

The reason? Well men are not perfect, they do burn the occasional snag, they also think differently to women, who when given the opportunity will bring a whole new perspective to an organisation, one that can open a world of new opportunity.

Women do it differently, and that's the competitive advantage.

Who knows, as resistant as business are to enforceable quotas, if implemented well, they may well find that they were the greatest gift that has been imposed upon them.

And maybe our BBQ results will benefit as well.

https://www.amandablesing.com/blog/2020/12/1/gender-equity-and-the-great-aussie-bbq-divide

quote

Examining National Identity Australian Barbecue Culture Yang Chenga , Sizhen Liu b University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia *Corresponding author e-mail: 176680566@qq.coma , liusizhen19931129@gmail.comb

 

4.1.3 Males always round the grill Rhodes (2012) pointed out the women always do indoor cooking and outdoor cooking is the guys’ job. Aussie barbecue in association with masculine outdoors represents a method of food preparation that maintains a perception of manhood (Hodge, Fiske& Tunner, 2016)

 

Edited November 19, 2021 by Mr Walker

[Mr Walker]

20 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Walker

Maybe you should have practiced your drinking skills a little more before you gave up hope. Maybe where your from but I know lots of guys that are good cooks and actually put on a good spread at a bbq, steaks, burgers, kabobs and salmon or chicken with raw veggies and dip with rice/potatoes, corn on the cob and salad as the better you eat the more booze you can hold.

True. There are exceptions. A few blokes can not only cook well but actually manage to concentrate on the job.   

Perhaps the point is that, once a person is  a bit drunk, the food tastes belter even if burned or half raw  

[Y. Wolvenberg]

On 11/18/2021 at 12:46 AM, Mr Walker said:

You truly don't read my posts do you? 

Not only do women have the right to do as the y wish, they (in general) happen to be better cooks than men.

That is probably because even today more girls are taught to cook than boys or it might be the result of millions of years of evolutionary adaptation. 

Second, "genetically", men are cognitively  specialists, and women  are generalists, due to the evolution of human labour over millions of years 

Hence, men tend to be be the best specialists at a particular task, but  more women tend to be overall more competent  at most tasks 

Thus the top exerts in many fields tend to be men, but there tend to be more very good women in those fields 

ie the top 10 chefs in the world are all men, but overall there are more women in the professional food catering and cooking field than men  and thus more competent women cooks than men

Likewise, the top 10 computer programmers in the world are men, but generally women are better at using computers than men and do more jobs using computers than men.

Top 16 in the world. 15 male, 1 female.

[jmccr8]

7 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

True. There are exceptions. A few blokes can not only cook well but actually manage to concentrate on the job.   

Perhaps the point is that, once a person is  a bit drunk, the food tastes belter even if burned or half raw  

Hi Walker

I would rate it as pretty much the same for skills between men and women when it comes to cooking. Many years ago I worked on the road with a company and we did not get a living subsistence for meals our motel rooms were covered by the company so were would eat 2 meals a day in the cafe and have to pay to have them make lunches for us. It took a couple of months of me asking the foreman to let me have a room with a kitchenette and I would pay the difference to which he refused. One the one job it ended up that I got one because the motel was full and that was all that was left so I asked him to drive me to the grocery store so I could buy some food for making my own meals and lunches. and he drove me down to do some shopping, well after cooking supper for myself and having made enough for all of us his policy changed and cooked meals for a crew of 5 from then on and the guys would help prep food and do dishes. It ended up that I didn't have to buy groceries either as the lads all chipped in for food and me cooking was the off set.

I grew up cooking on a wood burning stove before I started going to school and did cook for my family for weekday meals and mom cooked on the weekends for a great part of the time that I lived at home. Men didn't take women with them when they went on hunting trips and cook for themselves so Your generalization is strictly your construct and may not represent the norm.

I have gotten burnt food in a cafe more times than I have had burnt or undercooked food at a bbq cooked up by one of the lads maybe it's just that way where you are from, also here we don't segregate as you have described and we all interact and participate in making a bbq enjoyable for all that are there male and female.

Yes back home there was a crew of us single guys that used to gather together to drink and cook and there were no women there until one day a couple of females found out that there was a herd of single males hanging out together and brought a flock of females to hunt with.