+Sherapy Posted November 17, 2021 #226 Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Nuclear Wessel said: Seriously, who the f!ck does he think he is to say "we should put the women in charge"? As if it's up to us to decide whether or not they can cook on the barbecue... What's mine is my partner's, and vice versa. Rip Van Winkle comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 17, 2021 #227 Share Posted November 17, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 12:33 AM, XenoFish said: You're coming from your own ego. Driven by the desires to be something more than you are. At the heart of all spiritual aspirations is egotism. Exactly, and it is a good point, my add too is I observe the Dunning Kruger effect is his operational mode which is very common for a novice. Long term practitioners tend to see themselves in terms of mindlessness as opposed to bragging about how mindful they are. ‘’Mediation is specific in the sense one is making note of when awareness is lost in the past or the future ( thoughts)in other words, the moments throughout the day we are mindless we use the practice of meditation to gently return ourselves to the present moment. Ones goal, isn’t to stop ones thoughts, but to stay present. I would apply great skepticism towards the suggestions for help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 17, 2021 #228 Share Posted November 17, 2021 On 11/16/2021 at 1:42 PM, quiXilver said: A few quotes regarding the interconnectedness of reality by one of my heroes, David Bohm. These observations were thoughts. Thoughts that were realizations about the nature of the fabric of reality according to the perceptual modeling of one of humanities most adroit and potent minds. Thoughts are very real. In fact, they comprise most of your reality. So, take great care, what you allow yourself to think. We are all linked by a fabric of unseen connections. This fabric is constantly changing and evolving. This field is directly structured and influenced by our behavior and by our understanding. David Bohm We are internally related to everything, not [just] externally related. Consciousness is an internal relationship to the whole, we take in the whole, and we act toward the whole. Whatever we have taken in determines basically what we are. Wholeness is a kind of attitude or approach to the whole of life. If we can have a coherent approach to reality then reality will respond coherently to us. David Bohm In Nature nothing remains constant. Everything is in a perpetual state of transformation, motion and change. David Bohm Space is not empty. It is full, a plenum as opposed to a vacuum, and is the ground for the existence of everything, including ourselves. The universe is not separate from this cosmic sea of energy. David Bohm What is Real is unchanging, essential, and substantial. Thoughts come and go, they do not last, and therefore are, ultimately speaking, unreal. GOD is the Ground of all Being, unchanging pure consciousness. The good news is, is that you have this unchanging pure consciousness within, and one may merge fully with THAT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Liquid Gardens Posted November 17, 2021 #229 Share Posted November 17, 2021 4 hours ago, Crazy Horse said: Thoughts come and go, they do not last, and therefore are, ultimately speaking, unreal. So do flowers and zits, pretty sure they are still real. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 17, 2021 #230 Share Posted November 17, 2021 22 hours ago, Sherapy said: Nonsense,, nowadays boys love to cook and many are quite good at it, too. ‘’Lots of women barbecue, too. They don’t need your okay to have a go at it, mr. “I am not superior to anyone.” You truly don't read my posts do you? Not only do women have the right to do as the y wish, they (in general) happen to be better cooks than men. That is probably because even today more girls are taught to cook than boys or it might be the result of millions of years of evolutionary adaptation. Second, "genetically", men are cognitively specialists, and women are generalists, due to the evolution of human labour over millions of years Hence, men tend to be be the best specialists at a particular task, but more women tend to be overall more competent at most tasks Thus the top exerts in many fields tend to be men, but there tend to be more very good women in those fields ie the top 10 chefs in the world are all men, but overall there are more women in the professional food catering and cooking field than men and thus more competent women cooks than men Likewise, the top 10 computer programmers in the world are men, but generally women are better at using computers than men and do more jobs using computers than men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 18, 2021 #231 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: You truly don't read my posts do you? Not only do women have the right to do as the y wish, they (in general) happen to be better cooks than men. That is probably because even today more girls are taught to cook than boys or it might be the result of millions of years of evolutionary adaptation. Second, "genetically", men are cognitively specialists, and women are generalists, due to the evolution of human labour over millions of years Hence, men tend to be be the best specialists at a particular task, but more women tend to be overall more competent at most tasks Thus the top exerts in many fields tend to be men, but there tend to be more very good women in those fields ie the top 10 chefs in the world are all men, but overall there are more women in the professional food catering and cooking field than men and thus more competent women cooks than men Likewise, the top 10 computer programmers in the world are men, but generally women are better at using computers than men and do more jobs using computers than men. Another Google cut and paste contribution by MW. ‘’ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 18, 2021 #232 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Amazing, how so many reinvent that which was already made, preening themselves and shouting for all to come and see their "new" creation. Ecclesiastes Chapter 1: The words of the Preacher, the son of David, king in Jerusalem. 2Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity. 3What profit hath a man of all his labour which he taketh under the sun? 4One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever. 5The sun also ariseth, and the sun goeth down, and hasteth to his place where he arose. 6The wind goeth toward the south, and turneth about unto the north; it whirleth about continually, and the wind returneth again according to his circuits. 7All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again. 8All things are full of labour; man cannot utter it: the eye is not satisfied with seeing, nor the ear filled with hearing. 9The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 18, 2021 #233 Share Posted November 18, 2021 11 hours ago, Sherapy said: Exactly, and it is a good point, my add too is I observe the Dunning Kruger effect is his operational mode which is very common for a novice. Long term practitioners tend to see themselves in terms of mindlessness as opposed to bragging about how mindful they are. ‘’Mediation is specific in the sense one is making note of when awareness is lost in the past or the future ( thoughts)in other words, the moments throughout the day we are mindless we use the practice of meditation to gently return ourselves to the present moment. Ones goal, isn’t to stop ones thoughts, but to stay present. I would apply great skepticism towards the suggestions for help. There are different types of meditation, Sheri, Mindfulness Meditation being but one. What Is Contemplative Meditation? | The Guided Meditation Framework™ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Sherapy Posted November 18, 2021 #234 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: There are different types of meditation, Sheri, Mindfulness Meditation being but one. What Is Contemplative Meditation? | The Guided Meditation Framework™ Everything has its woo, including meditation. Edited November 18, 2021 by Sherapy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freez1 Posted November 18, 2021 #235 Share Posted November 18, 2021 On 6/28/2021 at 2:43 PM, lightly said: Life comes into us through our belly buttons. and I always tend to suspect that 'this' life may be just a glimmer of an all encompassing and timeless ONE . Sumpin'er other ??? And straight out the pooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 18, 2021 #236 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Sherapy said: Everything has its woo, including meditation. What one gets out of it, be it mindfulness meditation, or contemplative meditation, is commensurate with what intent and with what effort one puts into it. Whether one seeks therapy or illumination being the determinative factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 18, 2021 #237 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Hey Guys I'm heading down the block for a couple of cool ones and when your done thinking about whether you am or not come down for a couple, I'll warm up the pool table while I'm waiting. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted November 18, 2021 #238 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Just now, jmccr8 said: Hey Guys I'm heading down the block for a couple of cool ones and when your done thinking about whether you am or not come down for a couple, I'll warm up the pool table while I'm waiting. No darts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 18, 2021 #239 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Just now, Hammerclaw said: No darts? Hi Hammer Yes the have darts but when I am by myself I like to relax playing rotation because you have to hit the low ball to sink or kiss/combination shot so it isn't just shoot the easy shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 18, 2021 #240 Share Posted November 18, 2021 So now there is no edit feature? Fortunately I am sober and not having cap locks malfunctions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted November 18, 2021 #241 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, jmccr8 said: So now there is no edit feature? Fortunately I am sober and not having cap locks malfunctions Click the 3 dots at top right. Saru's trying to put it back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Horse Posted November 18, 2021 #242 Share Posted November 18, 2021 9 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: So do flowers and zits, pretty sure they are still real. Flowers are a nice example.. From a tiny seed, add the soil, the rain, the clouds, the earth, sunshine, time and space, a beautiful flower arises to its full beauty fading back to dust. And its precisely the fact that it is un-lasting, and is a composite of all those different things, that one may call it unreal and illusionary. The actual Real is unchanging. But one must study these ideas to understand them, such as the two truths, otherwise the level of intelligence is not sufficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 18, 2021 #243 Share Posted November 18, 2021 20 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said: Seriously, who the f!ck does he think he is to say "we should put the women in charge"? As if it's up to us to decide whether or not they can cook on the barbecue... What's mine is my partner's, and vice versa. Another poor reader I pointed out that (in my experience over hundreds of barbecues) most blokes do a pretty poor job The women bring along a variety of delicious home made salads, dips and desserts. Generally the common Aussie barbecue has the alpha male cooking chops sausages and, if you are lucky, some steak In addition onions and sliced potatoes are thrown on the hot plate. Usually the meat is over cooked on the outside and undercooked inside, sometimes due to poor cooking skills, and sometimes due to too much concentrating on drinking beer and talkig tthe mates In a slightly wealthier working class area, or in seaside towns you might also get oysters prawns and shasliks and a variety of fresh or crumbed fish thrown on the Barbie. These are easy to cook and hard to ruin Now, let a woman on the barbie and you might also get stuffed mushrooms, stuffed capsicums, stuffed eggplant. You will get tomatoes and other tasty veges as wel. l The meat will be cooked better and more consistently because the woman is more skilled and also takes pride in the result Of course there are exceptions. Some blokes are culinary masters but generally they operate smokers pizza ovens and other outside devices requiring more expertise So my personal opinion was that, being a person who enjoys their food you will get a better outcome if a woman does the cooking As a non drinker the taste is also more important to me than to a bloke so drunk he hardly knows what he is eating And yep in Aussie culture male operation of the barbie is so entrenched tha t it requires affirmative action to allow a woman anywhere near one. Its the area of the yard reserved for the blokes with an esky full of ice and beers close by. More is the pity, I reckon Ps in our household we divided labour by skill levels (until my wife became too disabled to do much) I am the better cook, having been taught since infancy, while my wife never really learned cooking at home or school Thus, by mutual agreement, I have done all the cooking for over 40 years 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 18, 2021 #244 Share Posted November 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: Another poor reader I pointed out that (in my experience over hundreds of barbecues) most blokes do a pretty poor job The women bring along a variety of delicious home made salads, dips and desserts. Generally the common Aussie barbecue has the alpha male cooking chops sausages and, if you are lucky, some steak In addition onions and sliced potatoes are thrown on the hot plate. Usually the meat is over cooked on the outside and undercooked inside, sometimes due to poor cooking skills, and sometimes due to too much concentrating on drinking beer and talkig tthe mates In a slightly wealthier working class area, or in seaside towns you might also get oysters prawns and shasliks and a variety of fresh or crumbed fish thrown on the Barbie. These are easy to cook and hard to ruin Now, let a woman on the barbie and you might also get stuffed mushrooms, stuffed capsicums, stuffed eggplant. You will get tomatoes and other tasty veges as wel. l The meat will be cooked better and more consistently because the woman is more skilled and also takes pride in the result Of course there are exceptions. Some blokes are culinary masters but generally they operate smokers pizza ovens and other outside devices requiring more expertise So my personal opinion was that, being a person who enjoys their food you will get a better outcome if a woman does the cooking As a non drinker the taste is also more important to me than to a bloke so drunk he hardly knows what he is eating And yep in Aussie culture male operation of the barbie is so entrenched tha t it requires affirmative action to allow a woman anywhere near one. Its the area of the yard reserved for the blokes with an esky full of ice and beers close by. More is the pity, I reckon Ps in our household we divided labour by skill levels (until my wife became too disabled to do much) I am the better cook, having been taught since infancy, while my wife never really learned cooking at home or school Thus, by mutual agreement, I have done all the cooking for over 40 years Hi Walker Maybe you should have practiced your drinking skills a little more before you gave up hope. Maybe where your from but I know lots of guys that are good cooks and actually put on a good spread at a bbq, steaks, burgers, kabobs and salmon or chicken with raw veggies and dip with rice/potatoes, corn on the cob and salad as the better you eat the more booze you can hold. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted November 18, 2021 #245 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: "Not only do women have the right to do as the y wish, they (in general) happen to be better cooks than men." ... "And yep in Aussie culture male operation of the barbie is so entrenched tha t it requires affirmative action to allow a woman anywhere near one. Its the area of the yard reserved for the blokes with an esky full of ice and beers close by. " You don't exactly strike me as the advocate of the year for women's rights. Edited November 18, 2021 by Nuclear Wessel 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 19, 2021 #246 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said: You don't exactly strike me as the advocate of the year for women's rights. lol That is in your perception. I dont know why you feel that way, Perhaps just a general dislike of me I believe in the right of every human being to pursue their potentials and goals, which will fulfil them and make them happy To be fully liberated a woman (and a man)must be completely free to choose their own life path Ie if either wants to be a fulltime parent that is admirable. if either wants to be a fulltime worker in any field that should also be facilitated rather than discouraged Neither should be pressured by individuals or social expectations to be anything other than what makes them happy and fulfilled My wife is the most truly liberated woman i have ever met. ie she is not compelled by any ideology or person to be anything but what she wants to be, or do anything with her life other than what she chooses to do She doesn't wear make up or jewellery and refuses to conform to the way society expects women to be. She was ever thus, and was known as a tomboy by the name of Jack Spratt when she was young. When we bought and sold our last houses, our bank manager, accountant, and real estate agent were all women and two of them were ex students of mine My last principal was a woman and an ex student The head of my local library is a woman and one of my ex student teachers My doctor is a woman, are many of the professionals in my life Women own and run many of the businesses in my town My sister is an equal partner in a multimillion dollar oyster business My gardener is one. However my electrician and plumber are both blokes. (just no women tradies around. I actually prefer women for company, and as professionals in many areas, due to their personalities and competence. . My mother worked to help support the family, once all her kids were school age (and this was back in the 1960s) . I contributed to writing education dept. policy on the needs of girls in education and helped change the curriculum, methodology and assessment methods which until the 1970s had all favoured males. I also helped rewrite discipline /behaviour management policies to make them more inline with the needs of girls. I parented girls (and boys) from childhood 'til late adolescence. Human rights come first, over gender or individual rights, but to enable human rights, gender and individual needs must be taken into account ps as child I was taught by my mother and grandmother to cook, knit, sew, crotchet, iron and take part in social gatherings like afternoon teas with groups of women. I was taught by my father to hunt, trap, shoot, fish ,and to make and fix things mechanical. Edited November 19, 2021 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 19, 2021 #247 Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) Just to add to the previous post. (I had to go and do the shopping then begin to get tea ready and it wouldn't let me add to the post ) on blokes and bbqs quote What a year 2020 has been and for many as we head into the festive season, able to spend time with family and friends, the BBQs across Australia will be sizzling with anticipation. As you are enjoying a snag and taking a sip of your favourite bevvie, do one more thing. Take a really good look around as the men congregate around the BBQ and the women prepare salads in another room. It is the same segregation of the past that modern society giggles at, such as twin beds and men and women on opposite sides of the dinner table, so men can speak of important things and women can discuss the children and cooking tips. Yet it happens most weekends in Australia and sadly it is a segregation we see at senior management levels in businesses across Australia. The good news for our leading firms is that wonderful new thinking and skilled individuals who will fill these roles will help your business do even better financially. The reason? Well men are not perfect, they do burn the occasional snag, they also think differently to women, who when given the opportunity will bring a whole new perspective to an organisation, one that can open a world of new opportunity. Women do it differently, and that's the competitive advantage. Who knows, as resistant as business are to enforceable quotas, if implemented well, they may well find that they were the greatest gift that has been imposed upon them. And maybe our BBQ results will benefit as well. https://www.amandablesing.com/blog/2020/12/1/gender-equity-and-the-great-aussie-bbq-divide quote Examining National Identity Australian Barbecue Culture Yang Chenga , Sizhen Liu b University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia *Corresponding author e-mail: 176680566@qq.coma , liusizhen19931129@gmail.comb 4.1.3 Males always round the grill Rhodes (2012) pointed out the women always do indoor cooking and outdoor cooking is the guys’ job. Aussie barbecue in association with masculine outdoors represents a method of food preparation that maintains a perception of manhood (Hodge, Fiske& Tunner, 2016) Edited November 19, 2021 by Mr Walker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted November 19, 2021 #248 Share Posted November 19, 2021 20 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker Maybe you should have practiced your drinking skills a little more before you gave up hope. Maybe where your from but I know lots of guys that are good cooks and actually put on a good spread at a bbq, steaks, burgers, kabobs and salmon or chicken with raw veggies and dip with rice/potatoes, corn on the cob and salad as the better you eat the more booze you can hold. True. There are exceptions. A few blokes can not only cook well but actually manage to concentrate on the job. Perhaps the point is that, once a person is a bit drunk, the food tastes belter even if burned or half raw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y. Wolvenberg Posted November 19, 2021 #249 Share Posted November 19, 2021 On 11/18/2021 at 12:46 AM, Mr Walker said: You truly don't read my posts do you? Not only do women have the right to do as the y wish, they (in general) happen to be better cooks than men. That is probably because even today more girls are taught to cook than boys or it might be the result of millions of years of evolutionary adaptation. Second, "genetically", men are cognitively specialists, and women are generalists, due to the evolution of human labour over millions of years Hence, men tend to be be the best specialists at a particular task, but more women tend to be overall more competent at most tasks Thus the top exerts in many fields tend to be men, but there tend to be more very good women in those fields ie the top 10 chefs in the world are all men, but overall there are more women in the professional food catering and cooking field than men and thus more competent women cooks than men Likewise, the top 10 computer programmers in the world are men, but generally women are better at using computers than men and do more jobs using computers than men. Top 16 in the world. 15 male, 1 female. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted November 19, 2021 #250 Share Posted November 19, 2021 7 hours ago, Mr Walker said: True. There are exceptions. A few blokes can not only cook well but actually manage to concentrate on the job. Perhaps the point is that, once a person is a bit drunk, the food tastes belter even if burned or half raw Hi Walker I would rate it as pretty much the same for skills between men and women when it comes to cooking. Many years ago I worked on the road with a company and we did not get a living subsistence for meals our motel rooms were covered by the company so were would eat 2 meals a day in the cafe and have to pay to have them make lunches for us. It took a couple of months of me asking the foreman to let me have a room with a kitchenette and I would pay the difference to which he refused. One the one job it ended up that I got one because the motel was full and that was all that was left so I asked him to drive me to the grocery store so I could buy some food for making my own meals and lunches. and he drove me down to do some shopping, well after cooking supper for myself and having made enough for all of us his policy changed and cooked meals for a crew of 5 from then on and the guys would help prep food and do dishes. It ended up that I didn't have to buy groceries either as the lads all chipped in for food and me cooking was the off set. I grew up cooking on a wood burning stove before I started going to school and did cook for my family for weekday meals and mom cooked on the weekends for a great part of the time that I lived at home. Men didn't take women with them when they went on hunting trips and cook for themselves so Your generalization is strictly your construct and may not represent the norm. I have gotten burnt food in a cafe more times than I have had burnt or undercooked food at a bbq cooked up by one of the lads maybe it's just that way where you are from, also here we don't segregate as you have described and we all interact and participate in making a bbq enjoyable for all that are there male and female. Yes back home there was a crew of us single guys that used to gather together to drink and cook and there were no women there until one day a couple of females found out that there was a herd of single males hanging out together and brought a flock of females to hunt with. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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