"I think, therefore I am"

[oslove]

9 hours ago, lightly said:

I am aware of my existence… I don’t need to bang my face against a concrete wall to  ascertain existence.

 

But you have no physical undeniable evidence that you exist, for all you know, you could be in delusion, illusion, hallucination, dream, etc, - all which do not amount to physical evidence unlike the blood on your face as you bang it repeatedly against a concrete wall, which blood on your face compels you to check into the emergency ward of the nearest hospital.

[jmccr8]

16 minutes ago, oslove said:

 

But you have no physical undeniable evidence that you exist, for all you know, you could be in delusion, illusion, hallucination, dream, etc, - all which do not amount to physical evidence unlike the blood on your face as you bang it repeatedly against a concrete wall, which blood on your face compels you to check into the emergency ward of the nearest hospital.

Hi Oslove

This looks like a job for The Phantom

@Mr Walker I am sure he can help you with those reality checkers you so desperately need.

[oslove]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Oslove

This looks like a job for The Phantom

@Mr Walker I am sure he can help you with those reality checkers you so desperately need.

 

 

Haha, very funny.

[jmccr8]

35 minutes ago, oslove said:

 

 

Haha, very funny.

Hi Oslove

I was being serious 

[oslove]

2 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Oslove

I was being serious 

 

Haha, you are very funny.

Okay then, say it plain language in reaction to my post as follows below:

 

5 hours ago, oslove said:

But you have no physical undeniable evidence that you exist, for all you know, you could be in delusion, illusion, hallucination, dream, etc, - all which do not amount to physical evidence unlike the blood on your face as you bang it repeatedly against a concrete wall, which blood on your face compels you to check into the emergency ward of the nearest hospital.

[jmccr8]

29 minutes ago, oslove said:

 

Haha, you are very funny.

Okay then, say it plain language in reaction to my post as follows below:

 

But you have no physical undeniable evidence that you exist, for all you know, you could be in delusion, illusion, hallucination, dream, etc, - all which do not amount to physical evidence unlike the blood on your face as you bang it repeatedly against a concrete wall, which blood on your face compels you to check into the emergency ward of the nearest hospital.

Hi Oslove 

I have no compulsion to spend time debating with myself or others if I am real, whatever I am, I am having an experience of me in a world of both beauty and horror and yet here I am an atom of humanity and even less significant in a universal sense. Does it matter, well no not to me, my observation is we live and we die and chose neither in most cases. Do I feel that I have to have another form of life after this, no I live with the attitude that this is it and do your best and not just for yourself like in a community.

I build things so that means I have a sense experience with each piece of material that I have to make as well as make them work with a combination of materials, I am scared from my work I don't remember them all because there are so many, are they real will yeah when I cut my finger off and had it sewn back on that seemed pretty real.

Edited July 2, 2022 by jmccr8

[oslove]

5 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Oslove 

I have no compulsion to spend time debating with myself or others if I am real . . . .

 

Go in peace, brother.

 

My instruction is directed to people who are all alone without any companions: you are not all alone, so you can go about satisfied with your certainty that like others in your midst, you and they are certain that you all physically exist.

 

Here is again my instruction to people who are all alone:

"When you have no physical undeniable evidence that you exist, for all you know, you could be in delusion, illusion, hallucination, dream, etc, - all which do not amount to physical evidence, in which case bang your face repeatedly against a concrete wall, and the blood on your face will compel you to check into the emergency ward of the nearest hospital. There, that is the undeniable evidence you exist physically alive.

[XenoFish]

If it takes urinating on an electric fence to prove to yourself that you exist. You might need some psych therapy.

[Electric Scooter]

On 6/28/2021 at 7:09 PM, Saru said:

Imagine coming into existence when someone pushes a button, then just disappearing into purgatory - over and over again.

Lets go along with that.

So, we don`t remember what happened last time around. Physically we might be different when coming back into existence, if the experiences we have in life can be controlled outside then they could be different too.

So if there is a reincarnating button pressor we could only guess the positive or negative points we accumulate are only used to determine our next physical self and the experiences we will run into.

[Electric Scooter]

10 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

If it takes urinating on an electric fence to prove to yourself that you exist. You might need some psych therapy.

I dont remember which Quantum Physicist said this:

Something weird is going on, I know the car in front of me isn`t as real as I once thought, but I know if I step out into the road and it hits me then its going to bloody hurt.

[taniwha]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

I dont remember which Quantum Physicist said this:

Something weird is going on, I know the car in front of me isn`t as real as I once thought, but I know if I step out into the road and it hits me then its going to bloody hurt.

Pain is real, therefore pain exists. Nothing else is proved.

[taniwha]

On 6/30/2022 at 2:32 AM, lightly said:

   Interesting thought .    Would I be reasonable in thinking that it could occur independent of a  thinker?     

So wherefrom do thoughts arise and whereto do they set?  Is the mind really just the sky in which thoughts traverse across?

A uniquely beautiful universe you will always be. 

[lightly]

9 hours ago, oslove said:

Haha, you are very funny. Okay then, say it plain language in reaction to my post as follows below: 
 But you have no physical undeniable evidence that you exist, for all you know, you could be in delusion, illusion, hallucination, dream, etc, - all which do not amount to physical evidence unlike the blood on your face as you bang it repeatedly against a concrete wall, which blood on your face compels you to check into the emergency ward of the nearest hospital.

In ‘plain language’ .. If you experience a delusion, illusion, hallucination, dream ,etc.  You are experiencing evidence of your existence.

       I guess your right that our internal experiences are not externally evidenced ..and that ,observed, external evidences ,bloody faces included, are ‘undeniable’.  

Edited July 2, 2022 by lightly

[oslove]

9 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Imagine coming into existence when someone pushes a button, then just disappearing into purgatory - over and over again. -Saru

 

Lets go along with that.

So, we don`t remember what happened last time around. Physically we might be different when coming back into existence, if the experiences we have in life can be controlled outside then they could be different too.

So if there is a reincarnating button pressor we could only guess the positive or negative points we accumulate are only used to determine our next physical self and the experiences we will run into.

 

In re reincarnation, I suggest that when you have lapsed into unconsciousness with a most deep sleep, without any dreams whatsoever, you have died to yourself - and when you wake up, you have returned to life.

[+joc]

2 hours ago, oslove said:

 

In re reincarnation, I suggest that when you have lapsed into unconsciousness with a most deep sleep, without any dreams whatsoever, you have died to yourself - and when you wake up, you have returned to life.

re reincarnation?  Is that where the reincarnation didn't take the first time  so it has to be resubmitted for general approval by the committee?

Edited July 2, 2022 by joc

[oslove]

4 hours ago, joc said:

re reincarnation?  Is that where the reincarnation didn't take the first time  so it has to be resubmitted for general approval by the committee?

 

In re reincarnation, I suggest that when you have lapsed into unconsciousness with a most deep sleep, without any dreams whatsoever, you have died to yourself - and when you wake up, you have returned to life. -Oslove

 

The closest thing to the experience of death is when we lapse into unconsciousness, and it is not like experiencing dizziness because dizziness is not unconsciousness.

How do we know that we had been unconscious?

When you regain consciousness, and you look at the wall clock or your wrist watch, then you recall the last occasion you looked for the time of the day, and it was say 12 hours ago: there, you were 'dead' for 12 hours.

Should you never wake up again, then definitely you have died.

[Alchopwn]

What is it that dreams?

[oslove]

24 minutes ago, Alchopwn said:

What is it that dreams?

 

It is the me that dream, and while I dream I am consciously monitoring the dream - so that when things get too disturbing I turn off the dream - and resume normal sleep.

Do you have the same experience?

[+joc]

10 hours ago, oslove said:

 

In re reincarnation, I suggest that when you have lapsed into unconsciousness with a most deep sleep, without any dreams whatsoever, you have died to yourself - and when you wake up, you have returned to life. -Oslove

 

The closest thing to the experience of death is when we lapse into unconsciousness, and it is not like experiencing dizziness because dizziness is not unconsciousness.

How do we know that we had been unconscious?

When you regain consciousness, and you look at the wall clock or your wrist watch, then you recall the last occasion you looked for the time of the day, and it was say 12 hours ago: there, you were 'dead' for 12 hours.

Should you never wake up again, then definitely you have died.

You are getting a bit lost in the weeds of fantasy.  There is no 'experiencing' death.  You don't know when you die...and you never wake up.  I suggest that you look at what is and not at what isn't.  Sleeping is not unconsciousness.  Our brain is very active.  Unconsciousness is not 'without consciousness'.  Without Consciousness is Dead.  There is no re reincarnation...you just made that up.  I get where you are coming from but the farther you travel down the rabbit hole of illogic, the deeper you go until...every thought you think mirrors your rabbit hole thoughts...and they all make perfect sense...but only to you.  That is what is known as Your Truth.  Everyone has there own 'truth'.  Truth however, is not the same thing as The Truth.  One's Truth is fantasy...The Truth is factual and provable.

[lightly]

11 hours ago, oslove said:

In re reincarnation, I suggest that when you have lapsed into unconsciousness with a most deep sleep, without any dreams whatsoever, you have died to yourself - and when you wake up, you have returned to life. -Oslove  The closest thing to the experience of death is when we lapse into unconsciousness, and it is not like experiencing dizziness because dizziness is not unconsciousness.  How do we know that we had been unconscious?  When you regain consciousness, and you look at the wall clock or your wrist watch, then you recall the last occasion you looked for the time of the day, and it was say 12 hours ago: there, you were 'dead' for 12 hours.    Should you never wake up again, then definitely you have died.

Indeed!   I’m writing that down.   

Edited July 3, 2022 by lightly

[Coil]

13 hours ago, oslove said:

 

In re reincarnation, I suggest that when you have lapsed into unconsciousness with a most deep sleep, without any dreams whatsoever, you have died to yourself - and when you wake up, you have returned to life. -Oslove

When only the body dies, a person can plunge into an unconscious state, and then he comes to his senses in a subtle body. If a person dies suddenly, for example, when a car hits him, then the subtle body flies out instantly and the person does not fall into an unconscious state, but simply discards him and he is still thinks that he is alive but he already belongs to the non-physical world and cannot talk to people.

Somewhere around 30 years, an ordinary person spends in the subtle world and then prepares for a new incarnation on earth, choosing new parents and a country. The higher the consciousness of a person, the more time he can spend in the subtle world (2-3 centuries). Reincarnation is necessary for a person to develop to divine consciousness on earth and not stuck in one personality and its habits.

When a person falls asleep, in a deep dreamless sleep, his consciousness goes to God and is energized for the whole day.

[oslove]

6 hours ago, joc said:

You are getting a bit lost in the weeds of fantasy.  There is no 'experiencing' death. 

[ . . . . ]

 

Have you ever been in anesthesia for invasive surgery?

When you came out from surgery anesthesia, look at the wall clock or your wrist watch if the operating room staff didn't remove it.

The lapse of time between pre anesthesia and post anesthesia, that is the period that you for being unconscious was 'dead'.

[+joc]

5 hours ago, oslove said:

 

Have you ever been in anesthesia for invasive surgery?

When you came out from surgery anesthesia, look at the wall clock or your wrist watch if the operating room staff didn't remove it.

The lapse of time between pre anesthesia and post anesthesia, that is the period that you for being unconscious was 'dead'.

I have been  under anesthesia.  But even under anesthesia, you are not 'dead'.  You are just 'unconscious'  but again, unconscious is not 'dead'.  Now, speaking of that, there are surgeries that are now performed routinely that require removing all of your blood from your body...it is kept viable in an oxygenated vat...so, your body is dead ....for all practical purposes...no brain activity...kept at 52 degrees or whatever with zero blood...then they transfer the viable blood back into your body while slowly increasing your body temperature.  So, when you then become 'conscious' you have zero memory of the event...but you are not dead because the life is actually in the blood.  So...what was your point again?

Edited July 4, 2022 by joc

[lightly]

12 hours ago, joc said:

I have been  under anesthesia.  But even under anesthesia, you are not 'dead'.  You are just 'unconscious'  but again, unconscious is not 'dead'.  Now, speaking of that, there are surgeries that are now performed routinely that require removing all of your blood from your body...it is kept viable in an oxygenated vat...so, your body is dead ....for all practical purposes...no brain activity...kept at 52 degrees or whatever with zero blood...then they transfer the viable blood back into your body while slowly increasing your body temperature.  So, when you then become 'conscious' you have zero memory of the event...but you are not dead because the life is actually in the blood.  So...what was your point again?

         !*   That is a truly profound thought joc.  I’ve heard you say that before … it’s amazing to think about!  
    ..how about pumping some saved blood into me when I croak !*!??      Nah, guess not, I remember something about putting new wine into an old skin     … it’s interesting though .. blood, having life, has been Central in so many beliefs down through the ages.

Edited July 4, 2022 by lightly

[L.A.T.1961]

On 7/2/2022 at 12:48 PM, taniwha said:

Pain is real, therefore pain exists. Nothing else is proved.

Under the knife. -

AS THE surgeon’s knife cut into her chest, 46-year-old Pippa Plaisted should have been in agony. The 45-minute breast cancer operation she was undergoing at the Lister Hospital in London would normally have needed a general anaesthetic. But Plaisted had not been anaesthetised, nor given painkilling drugs of any sort.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg18725111-800-under-the-knife-under-hypnosis/