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"I think, therefore I am"


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On 10/31/2021 at 11:23 PM, Manwon Lender said:

You know it's always the same thing on this forum with some people, they laugh at the genuine thoughts of others. I was once the same way, I suspect that some of us never out grow our foolish nature. But what is really sad, is that these people are unable to allow others to be happy with the Spirituality they have found. They try to destroy the beliefs others simply because they themselves are unhappy and because they are unable to comprehend how important it is to have some kind of beliefs. 

All I can say is try and be tolerant of others, don't ever try to force your beliefs on anyone else because if you do your no better than those who laugh at the beliefs of others. Especially since the reason they laugh is because they are unhappy and believe in nothing.

Remember if you don't standup and believe in something it's a proven fact you will fall for anything and those people do such things frequently!!!:yes:

Peace.:tu:

I no longer mind anybody laughing at me, it used to bother me but even then it only made me stronger..

I get the feeling these people are scared of life, and fearful of death too, which should arouse a feeling of compassion, if anything!

For my part, I am not interested in forcing my beliefs upon anyone, only passing on certain experiences and ideas that may ease the suffering of those who are open enough to give them some genuine thought. But I respect the others right to mock and sneer too, we are all One anyway,,

Acceptance, non-attachment and loving kindness are the watch-words of the moment fot this one.

Peace my friend.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

For my part, I am not interested in forcing my beliefs upon anyone

Thanks for the joke. I needed the laugh.

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3 hours ago, XenoFish said:

Thanks for the joke. I needed the laugh.

The funny thing is, is that you believe that you need anything, that you lack anything, that you are separate etc...

Now that's laughable..

But in all seriousness, you and I am one my old friend, so get used to it buddy boy!!!

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1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said:

The funny thing is, is that you believe that you need anything, that you lack anything, that you are separate etc...

Now that's laughable..

But in all seriousness, you and I am one my old friend, so get used to it buddy boy!!!

We are nothing more than a decaying collection of particles. I am not a part of you in any way, shape or form. 

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14 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

We are nothing more than a decaying collection of particles. I am not a part of you in any way, shape or form. 

If you are only going to think along the lines of the physical, then I would agree.

But the energy that manifests, maintains, and ultimately destroys those particals, then yes, there is only One.

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6 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

If you are only going to think along the lines of the physical, then I would agree.

But the energy that manifests, maintains, and ultimately destroys those particals, then yes, there is only One.

We are not one. No matter how much you want to pretty the idea up. 

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3 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

We are not one. No matter how much you want to pretty the idea up. 

Consciousness is Primary.

Singular.

All Encompassing.

Infinite

Eternal.

Omnipotent.

And One.

Ergo, you and I, and everything else in existence, are essentially and really only apparently separate.

And don't think that I am thrilled at the idea either!!!

 

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On 10/9/2021 at 10:06 PM, Abramelin said:

You fall asleep?

 

Actually, one awakens to the Presence of GOD.

And all the good stuff that comes with THAT..

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20 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Ergo, you and I, and everything else in existence, are essentially and really only apparently separate.

And don't think that I am thrilled at the idea either!!!

Hi Crazy Horse

So then you will still be a part of them when they go to the hell you perceive exists for those not worthy anyway

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2 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Actually, one awakens to the Presence of GOD.

And all the good stuff that comes with THAT..

How do you know you stopped thinking?

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15 hours ago, Abramelin said:

How do you know you stopped thinking?

Because there are no thoughts..

And the Presence of GOD (which is always there) is felt.

Its a remarkably simple process, which only needs to be practiced to be known.

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15 hours ago, Abramelin said:

How do you know you stopped thinking?

Read his posting.

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15 hours ago, Abramelin said:

How do you know you stopped thinking?

The only time you really stop thinking is when a person is brain dead. The practice of Not Thinking is like being told to not think about a pink elephant. By trying to not think you're thinking about not thinking. Even if someone were to silence conscious thoughts the subconscious or deeper thought processes are still going. While their consciousness is still focus (thus thinking) about something. I figure this also applies to dissolving the ego, by focusing on dissolving it, you're focused on the ego, which pretty much amounts to hitting max speed with your car with the breaks on. Going not were fast and just wasting time and gas. 

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On 11/3/2021 at 6:59 AM, Crazy Horse said:

Consciousness is Primary.

Meaningless Word Salad.  (And Capitalisation Belongs To Pompous Gits, so I'd drop that naff habit if I were you..)

If it were true in any sense - can you transfer your thoughts to someone just using your 'consciousness'?  Does a huge sadness waft over everyone when one person is sad?   

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Singular.

Multitudinous.

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All Encompassing.

Diversely spread out individually.

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Infinite

You just contradicted yourself.

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Eternal.

Ah, the wish for an eternal soul.  Knock on a bit of wood 3x after your demise.  Go on, be the first.

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Omnipotent.

And apparently, infinitely cruel and vindictive.

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And One.

Back to the salad....

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Ergo, you and I, and everything else in existence, are essentially and really only apparently separate.

No, it's your EGO, not ergo, that wants you to think you are part of a better whole.  But you are just a hole...

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And don't think that I am thrilled at the idea either!!!

Well, that's good, as you have convinced noone.

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On 6/28/2021 at 10:59 AM, Saru said:

Philosopher René Descartes famously said Cogito, ergo sum, which translates to "I think, therefore I am".

If you had to sum up the concept of existence in one sentence, what would it be ?

I'm late to the feast, but it's better late than never, I think. Therefore here I am, with a small token of contribution. The following is my one sentence, a two-birds offering to the gods of philosophy; surely Descartes is divine, as are all true philosophers, god-like..

All that exists has been sentenced to being, eternally bound to existence; life-without-parole.

 

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On 11/4/2021 at 9:49 AM, ChrLzs said:

 

You just contradicted yourself.

 

Not really.

GOD is manifested, and unmanifested, all and nothing, everywhere and infinite.

The left right paradigm of this dualistic Mind/Universe, is only GOD manifested.

The Unmanifested is beyond such notions.

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31 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Not really.

GOD is manifested, and unmanifested, all and nothing, everywhere and infinite.

The left right paradigm of this dualistic Mind/Universe, is only GOD manifested.

The Unmanifested is beyond such notions.

Can I be the judge here? An impartial one, if I can.

If someone is asking for something in particular, somebody else cannot offer everything in return. Besides, who really knows God? Besides myself, of course. But really, only Jesus can tell us about God.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side, has made Him known. And how was that done, I mean how did Jesus show us His Father?
John 14:9 Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

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3 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Not really.

GOD is manifested, and unmanifested, all and nothing, everywhere and infinite.

The left right paradigm of this dualistic Mind/Universe, is only GOD manifested.

The Unmanifested is beyond such notions.

As happens here in Australia at barbeques... that meaningless salad can go straight into the bin.

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10 hours ago, Pettytalk said:

Can I be the judge here? An impartial one, if I can.

If someone is asking for something in particular, somebody else cannot offer everything in return. Besides, who really knows God? Besides myself, of course. But really, only Jesus can tell us about God.

John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father's side, has made Him known. And how was that done, I mean how did Jesus show us His Father?
John 14:9 Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

Christ is a man, who knows GOD, who is GOD.

Because he managed to leave behind this dualistic paradigm.

There are many like him. Some may even be incarnated right now!

Christ spoke and acted out of love - of GOD, of neighbour, of self.

And anyone may do that, no matter what they call themselves..

This was the Good News that he preached, that the Kingdom of GOD is within, and to know THAT one shall live in abundance, and free from suffering.

Peace.

 

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8 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

As happens here in Australia at barbeques... that meaningless salad can go straight into the bin.

It's your life, your choice, just remember THAT.

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1 hour ago, Crazy Horse said:

It's your life, your choice, just remember THAT.

So why can't you accept other people's choices? 

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2 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Christ is a man, who knows GOD, who is GOD.

Because he managed to leave behind this dualistic paradigm.

There are many like him. Some may even be incarnated right now!

Christ spoke and acted out of love - of GOD, of neighbour, of self.

And anyone may do that, no matter what they call themselves..

This was the Good News that he preached, that the Kingdom of GOD is within, and to know THAT one shall live in abundance, and free from suffering.

Peace.

 

You do not need God to be a decent human. In fact I honestly think that if being a good person require "divine motivation" you're never really a good person. Because if you can't do it of your own volition, how good of a person are you really? 

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5 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Christ is a man, who knows GOD, who is GOD.

Because he managed to leave behind this dualistic paradigm.

There are many like him. Some may even be incarnated right now!

Christ spoke and acted out of love - of GOD, of neighbour, of self.

And anyone may do that, no matter what they call themselves..

This was the Good News that he preached, that the Kingdom of GOD is within, and to know THAT one shall live in abundance, and free from suffering.

Peace.

 

I see that a fish out water has taken the liberty to respond to the quoted post before me, although you posted in response to my post, as you quoted. I call that butting in.

What is this thing called Love? But first I wanted to clarify a point. Is your source the Bible, solely? The source from which you are extracting cherries to fill your fruit basket? Or are you using multiple sources to rely on, to extract such gems as:  "There are many like him. Some may even be incarnated right now!"  Because I think you are making a mixed fruit salad here. Look here, do you even have the faintest idea as to what Jesus was hinting when he said that the kingdom of god is within you? And that was a collective you, since he meant all of us. All of us, indeed, have God's kingdom within. Didn't he say; “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods?” referring to Psalm 82:6  “I said, ‘You are “gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.’ And you also state that, by just knowing this little secret, of the kingdom being inside us, is to live in abundance and free from suffering?

What exactly is the numerical quantity of abundance? And to live, is that earthly life, or life elsewhere? And to be free from suffering, do you mean to be in the opposite condition, pleasure? Therefore, to sum; according to you, as I gather, is that to know that the kingdom of god is within us now, results in an abundance of life that is free from suffering?  This life, or some other life? A life before or after this one? And what is pleasure without suffering? And vice versa.  I too pick cherries from the orchard, the garden of Eden...the cherries growing on the tree of life. 

And where do you suggest we look for these current, possible, many incarnates who are like Jesus? I suppose that even those not currently incarnate, but still like Christ, you mean such figures as Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, etc? And could you possibly be preparing to hide in a dark cave, when you will be asked to explain this?  Hopefully you are not one of those followers of Meher Baba, as Pete Townshend is. Because if you are, I suppose that you are, next, going to tell us...not like Jesus, but actually they are one and the same?

Peace?

What is peace without war? And what is war without peace? What is good without evil? What is evil without good? And what is love without hate? What is hate without love? What is life, existence, without contrast? One massive homogeneous blob...so much for sameness, or oneness. What is life without spice? Eternal damnation, that's what it is. “Variety is the spice of life” The spice of life is change.  Vive la différence!

 

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On 11/6/2021 at 9:34 AM, XenoFish said:

So why can't you accept other people's choices? 

Do you even read what I write?

I have always said that it is your choice, but that actions have consequences, and that those actions based upon greed, jealousy, and fear, for example, shall, without doubt, lead one to a dark place.

Anyone may take this insight, or not, 

Your call.

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