"I think, therefore I am"

[XenoFish]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Do you even read what I write?

I have always said that it is your choice, but that actions have consequences, and that those actions based upon greed, jealousy, and fear, for example, shall, without doubt, lead one to a dark place.

Anyone may take this insight, or not, 

Your call.

Yeah, I have read a lot of what you write. It basically comes down to see those who don't agree or do what you do as being lesser than you. Sure you "might" be okay with people doing what they wish, you just see them as lesser people. 

[Crazy Horse]

On 11/6/2021 at 10:25 AM, XenoFish said:

You do not need God to be a decent human. In fact I honestly think that if being a good person require "divine motivation" you're never really a good person. Because if you can't do it of your own volition, how good of a person are you really? 

One doesn't need GOD, one is GOD already.

Love, is just another name for GOD, and anyone may feel and demonstrate love.

So, if you prefer love, to the idea of GOD, then, be THAT.

Your choice.

[XenoFish]

Just now, Crazy Horse said:

One doesn't need GOD, one is GOD already.

That's an assumption based on a vague descriptor.

Love, is just another name for GOD, and anyone may feel and demonstrate love.

Love is just a chemical reaction in the brain. It isn't another name for god.

So, if you prefer love, to the idea of GOD, then, be THAT.

I can not make that association. 

Your choice.

You go at all this with some hippy, peace, love, and happiness ideal. While that might work for you, it isn't for everyone. No one on this planet is happy 24/7 regardless of what they might claim. 

[Crazy Horse]

On 11/6/2021 at 3:16 PM, Pettytalk said:

I see that a fish out water has taken the liberty to respond to the quoted post before me, although you posted in response to my post, as you quoted. I call that butting in.

What is this thing called Love? But first I wanted to clarify a point. Is your source the Bible, solely? The source from which you are extracting cherries to fill your fruit basket? Or are you using multiple sources to rely on, to extract such gems as:  "There are many like him. Some may even be incarnated right now!"  Because I think you are making a mixed fruit salad here. Look here, do you even have the faintest idea as to what Jesus was hinting when he said that the kingdom of god is within you? And that was a collective you, since he meant all of us. All of us, indeed, have God's kingdom within. Didn't he say; “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods?” referring to Psalm 82:6  “I said, ‘You are “gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.’ And you also state that, by just knowing this little secret, of the kingdom being inside us, is to live in abundance and free from suffering?

What exactly is the numerical quantity of abundance? And to live, is that earthly life, or life elsewhere? And to be free from suffering, do you mean to be in the opposite condition, pleasure? Therefore, to sum; according to you, as I gather, is that to know that the kingdom of god is within us now, results in an abundance of life that is free from suffering?  This life, or some other life? A life before or after this one? And what is pleasure without suffering? And vice versa.  I too pick cherries from the orchard, the garden of Eden...the cherries growing on the tree of life. 

And where do you suggest we look for these current, possible, many incarnates who are like Jesus? I suppose that even those not currently incarnate, but still like Christ, you mean such figures as Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, etc? And could you possibly be preparing to hide in a dark cave, when you will be asked to explain this?  Hopefully you are not one of those followers of Meher Baba, as Pete Townshend is. Because if you are, I suppose that you are, next, going to tell us...not like Jesus, but actually they are one and the same?

Peace?

What is peace without war? And what is war without peace? What is good without evil? What is evil without good? And what is love without hate? What is hate without love? What is life, existence, without contrast? One massive homogeneous blob...so much for sameness, or oneness. What is life without spice? Eternal damnation, that's what it is. “Variety is the spice of life” The spice of life is change.  Vive la différence!

 

Ive never read the Bible, not fully, just bits an pieces.

I prefer Buddhist and Vedic ideas and the message of Christ..

And yes, this Kingdom of GOD is within everybody. Only, to know this for oneself, eg, to know GOD for oneself, then one shall live in abundance.

Simply having this idea, even if one believes it, isn't enough, one must know GOD, and His righteousness, before one is set free.

This abundance isn't a number but a feeling of fullness, beauty, and love.

One needn't look outside for these blessing, these folk, or kingdoms.

All is One, and THAT One is within us all.

And peace is just peace, one may have it if one wants it.

Your choice.

[+joc]

4 hours ago, XenoFish said:

You go at all this with some hippy, peace, love, and happiness ideal. While that might work for you, it isn't for everyone. No one on this planet is happy 24/7 regardless of what they might claim. 

Oh wow...just had to go there didn't you!  I am happy all the time 24/7/365.  I know, I know...be jealous it's okay...I'm still happy!  

...jk... sort of ....there is no such thing really as Enlightenment.  If one thinks that one is 'enlightened' then one thinks one knows something that not everyone else knows...and gives one a superior self image that is actually anything but.  It's an illusion...'knowing the answer'...is an illusion.  It's an illusion of narcissism.   

[psyche101]

4 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Ive never read the Bible, not fully, just bits an pieces.

I prefer Buddhist and Vedic ideas and the message of Christ..

And yes, this Kingdom of GOD is within everybody. Only, to know this for oneself, eg, to know GOD for oneself, then one shall live in abundance.

Simply having this idea, even if one believes it, isn't enough, one must know GOD, and His righteousness, before one is set free.

This abundance isn't a number but a feeling of fullness, beauty, and love.

One needn't look outside for these blessing, these folk, or kingdoms.

All is One, and THAT One is within us all.

And peace is just peace, one may have it if one wants it.

Your choice.

Vedic seems to be a common denominator for most crazy preachers. Another poster with little grasp on reality often mentions it too. 

What's the motivator? What is about Vedic writings that tend to send people of the rails?

[docyabut2]

Existence is in materialism 

1. philosophy

   the doctrine that nothing exists except matter and its movements and modifications.

   • the doctrine that consciousness and will are wholly due to material agency.

    

   I`m tried  of being in materialism,  I want to be in a place where there is no more tears,  no more fear, no more pain, no more death. 

Edited November 8, 2021 by docyabut2

[XenoFish]

7 hours ago, joc said:

Oh wow...just had to go there didn't you!  I am happy all the time 24/7/365.  I know, I know...be jealous it's okay...I'm still happy!  

...jk... sort of ....there is no such thing really as Enlightenment.  If one thinks that one is 'enlightened' then one thinks one knows something that not everyone else knows...and gives one a superior self image that is actually anything but.  It's an illusion...'knowing the answer'...is an illusion.  It's an illusion of narcissism.   

That's basically just you being on the hedonic treadmill.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/hedonic-treadmill

I do agree that a person is never enlightened. They can claim some subjective "truth", but it's nothing more than an ego trip.

 

[lightly]

12 hours ago, joc said:

Oh wow...just had to go there didn't you!  I am happy all the time 24/7/365.  I know, I know...be jealous it's okay...I'm still happy!  

...jk... sort of ....there is no such thing really as Enlightenment.  If one thinks that one is 'enlightened' then one thinks one knows something that not everyone else knows...and gives one a superior self image that is actually anything but.  It's an illusion...'knowing the answer'...is an illusion.  It's an illusion of narcissism.   

    I dunno,  I just imagine enlightenment more like the Realization of what every/any one already knows.     ..and not some goofy ego struggle over self images.?   More like freeing 'the' question , than binding 'the'  answer". ?  

Edited November 8, 2021 by lightly

[lightly]

20 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Vedic seems to be a common denominator for most crazy preachers. Another poster with little grasp on reality often mentions it too. 

What's the motivator? What is about Vedic writings that tend to send people of the rails?

https://iskconeducationalservices.org/HoH/further-information-and-teaching-resources-secondary/fact-sheets/outline-structure-and-content-of-the-bhagavad-gita/

[+joc]

6 hours ago, lightly said:

https://iskconeducationalservices.org/HoH/further-information-and-teaching-resources-secondary/fact-sheets/outline-structure-and-content-of-the-bhagavad-gita/

I re-edited the Title of the link as it goes more toward pervading Truth than the original title.

OUTLINE, STRUCTURE AND CONTENT OF THE BHAGAVAD GITA

[+joc]

19 hours ago, XenoFish said:

That's basically just you being on the hedonic treadmill.

www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/hedonic-treadmill

I do agree that a person is never enlightened. They can claim some subjective "truth", but it's nothing more than an ego trip.

 

The hedonic treadmill is the idea that an individual's level of happiness, after rising or falling in response to positive or negative life events, ultimately tends to move back toward where it was prior to these experiences.

Nope...my level of happiness doesn't have anything to do with negative or positive events....they are just events.  My level of happiness is my state of mind...that would be...the state that my mind is in.   And it's always pretty much in the state of right here, right now.  It is knowing that I live in the present continually, no matter what, that allows me to be happy.  It's not a chemical reaction.  It's not a euphoric response to anything.  It isn't euphoric at all.  And it doesn't rise of fall.  It's constant.  Because reality is constant.  If it rains...I'm happy.  If it's hot and dry I am happy.  If something wonderful happens.  I am happy.  If someone I love dies...I'm still happy.  I might not be happy about events...but I am happy with being in the state of reality.  Happiness is a dumb word actually.  And thanks, but I don't  really do psychology speak.  bleh

[Crazy Horse]

On 11/7/2021 at 9:16 PM, XenoFish said:

Yeah, I have read a lot of what you write. It basically comes down to see those who don't agree or do what you do as being lesser than you. Sure you "might" be okay with people doing what they wish, you just see them as lesser people. 

If, as I have said on many occasions that all is One, then exactly how would an individual be able to see anyone, or anything, as lesser?

You may read what I say, but you do not comprehend anything.

You, as an individual ego may believe what you want as far as I am concerned. You may believe in GOD, or not, I don't care, only, beliefs and attitudes lead to certain types of actions and behaviours and habits which all have consequences.

You don't have to agree and believe what I am saying, but that shouldn't stop you from understanding where it is I am coming from.

[XenoFish]

12 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

If, as I have said on many occasions that all is One, then exactly how would an individual be able to see anyone, or anything, as lesser?

You may read what I say, but you do not comprehend anything.

You, as an individual ego may believe what you want as far as I am concerned. You may believe in GOD, or not, I don't care, only, beliefs and attitudes lead to certain types of actions and behaviours and habits which all have consequences.

You don't have to agree and believe what I am saying, but that shouldn't stop you from understanding where it is I am coming from.

You're coming from your own ego. Driven by the desires to be something more than you are. At the heart of all spiritual aspirations is egotism. 

[lightly]

8 hours ago, joc said:

I re-edited the Title of the link as it goes more toward pervading Truth than the original title.

OUTLINE, STRUCTURE AND CONTENT OF THE BHAGAVAD GITA

It's just beliefs.. (the roots of Hindhuism) going back more than 4000 years.  I posted the link because Psyche expressed curiosity as to what makes Vedic writings intersting ,and powerful, to people.

 The only way to find that out is to read some of them. l'm not well studied in them...but have read enough to find them fascinating. . for several reasons.

Edited November 9, 2021 by lightly

[lightly]

5 hours ago, XenoFish said:

You're coming from your own ego. Driven by the desires to be something more than you are. At the heart of all spiritual aspirations is egotism. 

While often that  can be  true..  Often, seeking help ,in a spiritual sort of way, is humbling oneself enough to seek help? It's not always a superiority trip.       One might see complete spiritual rejection as a display of 'egotism'?   There is nothing greater than ME.    ??

[XenoFish]

12 minutes ago, lightly said:

While often that  can be  true..  Often, seeking help ,in a spiritual sort of way, is humbling oneself enough to seek help? It's not always a superiority trip.       One might see complete spiritual rejection as a display of 'egotism'?   There is nothing greater than ME.    ??

Who said it was about superiority? The focus is still on the self. 

Edited November 9, 2021 by XenoFish

[Crazy Horse]

On 11/8/2021 at 2:48 AM, psyche101 said:

Vedic seems to be a common denominator for most crazy preachers. Another poster with little grasp on reality often mentions it too. 

What's the motivator? What is about Vedic writings that tend to send people of the rails?

"A crazy preacher", why not just call us conspiracy theorists, or anti vaxxers etc.

Its funny how you guys feel the need to put others down.

One would have thought that the truth is enough.

Unless one is peddling misinformation and feels a lack somewhere?

[lightly]

13 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Who said it was about superiority? The focus is still on the self. 

     some of your earlier comments seemed to express the idea that  engaging in some sort of spiritual seeking...is an attempt to see oneself as SUPERIOR.. to others.   As if it's always just some sort of ego trip?      Spiritual rejection is just as much about the self?  

Edited November 9, 2021 by lightly

[+Pettytalk]

I think the Bhagavad-Gita is getting a bad name, a baseless reputation, and it's totally unnecessary, since it does not merit to be dragged all over dirty floors by those that do not comprehend. They know not, and yet, with their opinions only as weapons, do battle with words flung at chance, hoping the heavens may bless them with a word or two of truth. And just because some crazy and pugnacious arguers take a stand on it, on either side, we should look to higher places for more guide as to the value of this very ancient collection of texts. And which, comprehensibly, with itself, and in relation to other sources of explicit wisdom, becomes a great a source of inspiration to many upon many minds.

Who is he that shall control me? Why may not I act and speak and write and
think with entire freedom? What am I to the universe, or, the universe, what is it
to me? Who hath forged the chains of wrong and right, of Opinion and Custom?
And must I wear them? I am solitary in the vast society of beings. I see the
world, human, brute, and inanimate nature,--I am in the midst of them, but not of
them; I hear the song of the storm...I see cities and nations and witness
passions...but I partake it not...I disclaim them all.

Guess who?

 

 

[XenoFish]

3 minutes ago, lightly said:

     some of your earlier comments seemed to express the idea that  engaging in some sort of spiritual seeking...is an attempt to see oneself as SUPERIOR.. to others.   As if it's always just some sort of ego trip?      Spiritual rejection is just as much about the self?  

Yes superiority can be a part of it. In many cases it can be an ego trip. If the ideology a person follows only solidifies their better quality without pride, I've got no issue.

[Crazy Horse]

5 hours ago, XenoFish said:

You're coming from your own ego. Driven by the desires to be something more than you are. At the heart of all spiritual aspirations is egotism. 

No, this is not coming from the ego..

By saying that all is one - that is the opposite of ego.

But there are a couple of desires, yet.

One to be good, to be love, to simply accept life, mirror like, with love.

And the other desire is to harmonise and to unite with THAT.

And even those desires must be dropped at some point, along with the ego.

[XenoFish]

4 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

No, this is not coming from the ego..

By saying that all is one - that is the opposite of ego.

You're basically say you desire human connectivity. An emotional desire. 

But there are a couple of desires, yet.

One to be good, to be love, to simply accept life, mirror like, with love.

which can be done without God, religion, or spirituality.

And the other desire is to harmonise and to unite with THAT.

which is a matter of opinion.

And even those desires must be dropped at some point, along with the ego.

They never really are. Those desires become the quiet motivation for one's actions. 

 

[psyche101]

11 hours ago, lightly said:

It's just beliefs.. (the roots of Hindhuism) going back more than 4000 years.  I posted the link because Psyche expressed curiosity as to what makes Vedic writings intersting ,and powerful, to people.

 The only way to find that out is to read some of them. l'm not well studied in them...but have read enough to find them fascinating. . for several reasons.

 Cheers lightly.

But I'm more interested in why common sense and logic is abandoned. I'm not sure if you have noticed but the posters here who often cite vedic scripts do so literally. It also seems to attract those with a penchant for the paranormal. I've even seen posters say the Vimana flew. 

I wonder if there's something in it that attracts more fanciful minds. 

[psyche101]

11 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

"A crazy preacher", why not just call us conspiracy theorists, or anti vaxxers etc.

Because each one of those is ridiculous for different reasons. 

11 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

Its funny how you guys feel the need to put others down.

I think that you do that a lot, it's just perspective. It's not like you consider other points of view, you just try to steer them into yours. 

11 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

One would have thought that the truth is enough.

Unless one is peddling misinformation and feels a lack somewhere?

Well I honestly don't think you are peddling the truth. It's more a religious approach. 

What speaks to you in vedic writings?