BurnSide Posted February 26, 2005 #1 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Meat diet boosts kids' growth Michael Hopkin Bringing up children as vegans is unethical, claims nutritionist. Meat is a vital part of a child's diet, according to a two-year study of Kenyan schoolkids. Without it, children grow up smaller, less strong and less intelligent, the results suggest. So clear are the benefits, in fact, that denying children meat or dairy products in the first few years of life is unethical, argues Lindsay Allen of the University of California, Davis, who carried out the research. The 544 children in the study, who had an average age of seven years, were given two spoonfuls (about 60 grams) of minced beef each day to supplement their ordinary diet. Other groups were given a cup of milk, an equivalent amount of energy as vegetable oil, or no supplement at all. Over two years, kids given food supplements gained an average of 400 grams more than those without, Allen told the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington DC on 20 February. Those given meat showed the biggest benefits. Children in the meat-supplemented group showed up to an 80% greater increase in upper-arm muscle compared with the non-supplemented children; for milk drinkers, this figure was 40%1. Kids who were fed meat also outperformed their peers in tests of intelligence, problem solving and arithmetic. "The group that received the meat supplements were more active in the playground, more talkative and playful, and showed more leadership skills," Allen said. Tough choice Meat and other animal products such as milk contain nutrients that it is difficult to get elsewhere, Allen told the meeting. She pointed out that Kenyans' diet often consists mainly of starchy, low-nutrition corn and beans that lack sufficient iron, zinc, calcium, and vitamins A, E and B12. Parents who find the idea of eating animals abhorrent might have some tough choices to make, she added. "There's absolutely no question that it's unethical for parents to bring up their children as strict vegans," she said. Although chemical supplements may fill some gaps, the only way to guarantee that children absorb all the nutrients that they need is to feed them meat and fish, she says. Luci Daniels, a paediatric dietitian and former chairwoman of the British Dietetic Association, says, "It's unsurprising that adding meat to a child's diet improves their development." Daniels says that the effect seen by Allen may be caused by the protein content of the meat, or the vitamins or minerals present. "Anyone who has a child on a vegan diet has to be aware that the lack of nutrients can affect the child's development," she adds. In developing countries like Kenya, feeding the next generation properly is important for future prosperity, says Montague Demment, also at the University of California, Davis and director of the Global Livestock Collaborative Research Support Program. "Poverty creates malnutrition and malnutrition reinforces poverty." Source: http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050221/full/050221-5.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooFarGone Posted February 26, 2005 #2 Share Posted February 26, 2005 YEah, meats good for you. But, in balance with other things of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novo Posted February 26, 2005 #3 Share Posted February 26, 2005 You hear horror stories about the USDA not properly monitoring the meat production and with all the antibiotics, bovine growth hormones, and steroids in your meat. On top of that, cow's milk believe it or not contains these hormones, as well as pus and scabs. Furthermore, did you know that the USDA actually only inspects 3 percent of all poultry and with the poultry that you buy at the store, almost 98 percent of it contains traces of fecal matter on the meat itself. It's a wonder that people still eat this stuff let alone want put that crap into their children's bodies. My hope is that that people just stop and think about these things and decide what's best for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted February 26, 2005 #4 Share Posted February 26, 2005 and people say they can live on vegetables only Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skeptic Eric Raven Posted February 26, 2005 #5 Share Posted February 26, 2005 (edited) A little fecal matter never hurt anyone.lol Problem with being a vegetarian is that they usually overconsume carbs. That can lead to obeisty and many other problems(diabetes). Edited February 26, 2005 by ericraven2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seeking Posted February 26, 2005 #6 Share Posted February 26, 2005 im not sure if anyone noticed but you dont feed a dog salad because he doesnt have teeth for it, he doesnt have teeth for it because he doesnt need it im not sure if anyone noticed but you dont feed a giraffe a steak because he doesnt have the teeth for it, he doesnt have the teeth for it because he doesnt need it im not sure if anyone noticed but humans have teeth designed for both meat and vegtables, we dont have teeth for both just for the heck of it, we have it for both because we need both i just dont see how one can be a vegaterian, its like being a smoker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeden Posted February 26, 2005 #7 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Yeah Vegatarian food is terrible, dont feed kids that. Feed your child chemically processed meat and junk food, its good for them..... All the best Faeden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skeptic Eric Raven Posted February 26, 2005 #8 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Diet requires balance. That includes meat. You can have meat in your diet without eating fast food or junk. Chicken and beef can be some of the leanest foods(fat wise.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novo Posted February 26, 2005 #9 Share Posted February 26, 2005 im not sure if anyone noticed but you dont feed a dog salad because he doesnt have teeth for it, he doesnt have teeth for it because he doesnt need it im not sure if anyone noticed but you dont feed a giraffe a steak because he doesnt have the teeth for it, he doesnt have the teeth for it because he doesnt need it im not sure if anyone noticed but humans have teeth designed for both meat and vegtables, we dont have teeth for both just for the heck of it, we have it for both because we need both Teeth, Incisors: Carnivores: Short and pointed Omnivores: Short and pointed Herbivores: Broad, flattened and spade shaped Humans: Broad, flattened and spade shaped Teeth, Canines: Carnivores: Long, sharp and curved Omnivores: Long, sharp and curved Herbivores: Dull and short or long (for defense), or none Humans: Short and blunted Teeth, Molars: Carnivores: Sharp, jagged and blade shaped Omnivores: Sharp blades and/or flattened Herbivores: Flattened with cusps vs complex surface Humans: Flattened with nodular cusps Facial Muscles: Carnivores: Reduced to allow wide mouth gape Omnivores: Reduced Herbivores: Well-developed Homans: Well-developed Jaw Type: Carnivores: Angle not expanded Omnivores: Angle not expanded Herbivores: Expanded angle Humans: Expanded angle Jaw Joint Location: Carnivores: On same plane as molar teeth Omnivores: On same plane as molar teeth Herbivores: Above the plane of the molars Humans: Above the plane of the molars Jaw Motion: Carnivores: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion Omnivores: Shearing; minimal side-to-side motion Herbivores: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back Humans: No shear; good side-to-side, front-to-back Major Jaw Muscles: Carnivores: Temporalis Omnivore: Temporalis Herbivore: Masseter and pterygoids Human: Masseter and pterygoids Mouth Opening vs. Head Size: Carnivore: Large Omnivore: Large Herbivore: Small Human: Small Chewing: Carnivore: None; swallows food whole Omnivore: Swallows food whole and/or simple crushing Herbivore: Extensive chewing necessary Human: Extensive chewing necessary Saliva: Carnivore: No digestive enzymes Omnivore: No digestive enzymes Herbivore: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes Human: Carbohydrate digesting enzymes Stomach Type: Carnivore: Simple Omnivore: Simple Herbivore: Simple or multiple chambers Human: Simple Stomach Capacity: Carnivores: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract Omnivores: 60% to 70% of total volume of digestive tract Herbivores: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract Human: Less than 30% of total volume of digestive tract Length of Small Intestine: Carnivore: 3 to 6 times body length Omnivore: 4 to 6 times body length Herbivore: 10 to more than 12 times body length Human: 10 to 11 times body length Colon: Carnivore: Simple, short and smooth Omnivore: Simple, short and smooth Herbivore: Long, complex; may be sacculated Human: Long, sacculated Liver: Carnivores: Can detoxify vitamin A Omnivores: Can detoxify vitamin A Herbivores: Cannot detoxify vitamin A Human: Cannot detoxify vitamin A Kidney: Carnivore: Extremely concentrated urine Omnivore: Extremely concentrated urine Herbivore: Moderately concentrated urine Human: Moderately concentrated urine Nails: Carnivores: Sharp claws Omnivores: Sharp claws or semi-flattened nails Herbivore: Flattened nails or blunt hooves Human: Flattened nails -Credit for this gos to my friend peter guys, but I think it illustrates my point fairly well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
retired UM Posted February 26, 2005 #10 Share Posted February 26, 2005 hahahha, i know that lady on Trading Spouses was wrong pwnt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_Again Posted February 26, 2005 #11 Share Posted February 26, 2005 Boosts Kid's Growth Yeah, also boosts girls hormonal growth faster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AztecInca Posted February 27, 2005 #12 Share Posted February 27, 2005 To be healthy you just need to eat a balanced diet as well as exercising! Its really not that hard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dezavala Posted February 27, 2005 #13 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Eating meat is not just as bad habit as my vegan friend tells me. This girl in high school used to say taking a sh** was a bad habit too. I think they're both wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted February 27, 2005 #14 Share Posted February 27, 2005 Eating meat is not just as bad habit as my vegan friend tells me vegan propagenda, a vegan dinner kills more animals then normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_R Posted February 28, 2005 #15 Share Posted February 28, 2005 I know a family of hardcore vegans, and they are so skinny they look like Holocaust victims. That can't be healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novo Posted February 28, 2005 #16 Share Posted February 28, 2005 Did anyone bother to read the list I provided? I could get into how the organs in a human body work, and demonstrate the not only is meat unhealthy-but uneeded. If Americans ate a more diverse diet, that didnt consist of so much processed plastic food then they wouldnt be so unhealthy. Meat alone isnt healthy, But with all the crap we put in our other foods, Its not wonder people think a Vegan diet would be unhealthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Skeptic Eric Raven Posted February 28, 2005 #17 Share Posted February 28, 2005 No we ignored your post as usual.lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotoke Posted February 28, 2005 #18 Share Posted February 28, 2005 and demonstrate the not only is meat unhealthy-but uneeded. the coldest populated place is in siberia and those people only eat meat, think of temperatures of -40(?) Meat is necessary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjo Koolzooie Posted February 28, 2005 #19 Share Posted February 28, 2005 (edited) I only eat chicken and fish meat wise. Is that healthy? Out of interest: I am 5'5 (18 years old) and weigh around 8 stone. Does anyone know what the weight I should be at roughly is? Edited February 28, 2005 by Benjo Koolzooie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novo Posted February 28, 2005 #20 Share Posted February 28, 2005 (edited) Thats (Edited), Living on a diet of purely meat is impossible while living on a diet of vegetables is. I think that says everything that can be said in favor of the health of a vegetarian diet. Watch the language please Novo Edited February 28, 2005 by Thistle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faeden Posted March 1, 2005 #21 Share Posted March 1, 2005 (edited) I know many vegetarian families, being I know lots of animal rights activists, and they hardly, if ever, have to go to the doctors, even there kids never have health problems that where brought up vegetarian, in fact they visit the doctors noticeably less than meat eating kids. Its also good to note there kids are also some of the brainiest in there class, I am not saying that being brought up a vegetarian makes you more brainy, but it seems to have done the kids all sorts of good, both physically and mentally. I go on what I have experiences, and I have experienced that being vegetarian has more benefits to it than not being one. The proof is in the pudding so to speak. All the best Faeden Edited March 1, 2005 by Faeden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkyburd Posted March 1, 2005 #22 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Meat is healthy for you, did you not hear the stats from the study they took at the opening post? Meat is excellent for your healthy diet. However, if you sit in a chair at your home complaining about society all day on your computer, and haven't run or exercised more then two hours a week, you can literally survive on sawdust. Thats (Edited), Living on a diet of purely meat is impossible while living on a diet of vegetables is. Watch the language please Novo Oh, and take your own avatar's advice please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novo Posted March 1, 2005 #23 Share Posted March 1, 2005 Excuse me? I workout a minimum of one hour a day. I Skateboard,Hike,Camp, and ride a all terrain vehicle. I dont lounge around all day on UM like some people monkyburd . Im a well built, Healthy **vegetarian. I dont tire out half as quick as my meat eating friends either, so please continue to demonstrate your amazing insight into my unhealthy lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkyburd Posted March 1, 2005 #24 Share Posted March 1, 2005 (edited) Hmm, the skateboarding lifestyle huh? What is that.. Mt. Dew and Nachos? I have a shirt like this, just for you Novo! The Best Page in the Universe Edited March 1, 2005 by Monkyburd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novo Posted March 1, 2005 #25 Share Posted March 1, 2005 The skateboard diet? So now your generalizing me via a hobby as well as a political standpoint.You can't generalize people monkyburd, Im being completely civil with you. Yet when presented with evidence that debunks your arguments all you can do is insult me? What a wonderful way to articulate your arguments. I dont drink soda Monkyburd, Not very often at least. I generally try to avoid processed foods. I eat lots of Salads, Fruits, And the occasional bowl of fried tofu and rice. Im more energetic, Less Lethargic and generally much more healthy than before my change in diet. Although my changes in diet was completely based on moral reasons, Since converting I have lost 30 pounds (Wich I've gained back, Purely in muscle this time.) Began doing more sports, and became a all around more pleasent person. Im not saying your wrong, Merely that my personal experience combined with the scientific evidence I have provided proves that Im right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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