Almost all new Covid cases among unvaccinated US people

[Harte]

4 hours ago, Setton said:

Illiterate viewpoint.

I never said mandatory. But if you refuse to play your part in society, you can't be surprised if society disowns you.

Ahem

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...just don't let people who refuse the vaccine take part in anything where they could infect others. Like socialising, work unless from home, shopping, travel...

Personally, I'm fully vaccinated. Which is why I can say your view is fascist, which it certainly is.

You seem not to understand the meaning of the word liberty.

Harte

[Harte]

5 hours ago, toast said:

There are no disease control rules in your country for people who are, e.g., infected with the Ebola virus?

Those people are hospitalized.

Show me the control over carriers of hepatitis, or tuberculosis; et alia.

Harte

[toast]

13 minutes ago, Harte said:

Those people are hospitalized.

I expected this.

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Show me the control over carriers of hepatitis, or tuberculosis; et alia.

No, I just wanted to know if there are any disease control rules.

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Harte

toast

[toast]

22 minutes ago, Harte said:

Personally, I'm fully vaccinated.

But you dont have a 100% protection. Thus, unvaccinated and vaccinated people as well may pose a risk to your health.

[Setton]

2 hours ago, Harte said:

Ahem

So not mandatory then, like I said. People should always have a choice, but they have to take the consequences.

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Personally, I'm fully vaccinated. Which is why I can say your view is fascist, which it certainly is.

 

You seem not to understand the meaning of the word liberty.

 

Harte

If you're definition of liberty is the freedom to put other people in danger to satisfy your own stupidity, then I assume you're against fire regulations, driving tests and building codes?

[+Desertrat56]

18 minutes ago, Setton said:

So not mandatory then, like I said. People should always have a choice, but they have to take the consequences.

If you're definition of liberty is the freedom to put other people in danger to satisfy your own stupidity, then I assume you're against fire regulations, driving tests and building codes?

Now you are just getting silly.  Consider the possibility that someone chooses not to get vaccinated and avoids going out in public, or if they must, wears a mask and continuously uses hand sanitizer.  Are you going to shame them too?   You don't know why people are not vaccinated.  Yes, there are some who choose to ignore what is going on, but you still are beating a dead horse.  Your fear is something You have to deal with, stating the same thing over and over to others does not help you or them.

[Setton]

12 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Now you are just getting silly.  Consider the possibility that someone chooses not to get vaccinated and avoids going out in public, or if they must, wears a mask and continuously uses hand sanitizer.  Are you going to shame them too?  

Yes. Because masks and hand sanitiser are no substitute for vaccination.

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You don't know why people are not vaccinated.  

You just said they chose it in your scenario.

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Yes, there are some who choose to ignore what is going on, but you still are beating a dead horse.  Your fear is something You have to deal with, stating the same thing over and over to others does not help you or them.

Got it. So nobody should do anything to keep anyone safe.

Forget police, you just have to get over your fear of being mugged.

Forget doctors, you just have to get over your fear of being ill.

Viruses don't tend to respond to being squared up to. They do respond to vaccination.

[Knob Oddy]

2 minutes ago, Setton said:

Yes. Because masks and hand sanitiser are no substitute for vaccination.

You just said they chose it in your scenario.

Got it. So nobody should do anything to keep anyone safe.

Forget police, you just have to get over your fear of being mugged.

Forget doctors, you just have to get over your fear of being ill.

Viruses don't tend to respond to being squared up to. They do respond to vaccination.

Why do you want control over other peoples bodies? My body my choice

[Michelle]

Sounds just like those old *******s when AIDS first came out. "I say brand them on the forehead so everyone knows to stay away from 'em. Send them to an island so they don't infect us normal people."

[psyche101]

4 hours ago, Harte said:

Those people are hospitalized.

Show me the control over carriers of hepatitis, or tuberculosis; et alia.

Harte

The CDC controls that doesn't it? 

When tuberculosis scarring was found on my lungs the hospital went into quite a panic. Disease control was immediately alerted and even though it was half a century old scarring, I was isolated and tested before returning to the public. 

I don't see it as deprivation of liberty. I feel those who specifically refuse to protect society are depriving the community of a safe environment.

[psyche101]

46 minutes ago, Hugh Mungus said:

Why do you want control over other peoples bodies? My body my choice

Keep away from public spaces. Stay in your own space. Then you're not putting others at risk and can wallow happily in your decision.

[psyche101]

57 minutes ago, Michelle said:

Sounds just like those old *******s when AIDS first came out. "I say brand them on the forehead so everyone knows to stay away from 'em. Send them to an island so they don't infect us normal people."

I don't remember AIDs behind airborne and killing thousands left right and centre at a rapid pace. Did that happen did it? 

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Now you are just getting silly.  Consider the possibility that someone chooses not to get vaccinated and avoids going out in public, or if they must, wears a mask and continuously uses hand sanitizer.  Are you going to shame them too?   You don't know why people are not vaccinated.  Yes, there are some who choose to ignore what is going on, but you still are beating a dead horse.  Your fear is something You have to deal with, stating the same thing over and over to others does not help you or them.

Anti vaxers and people with genuine medical conditions aren't the same.

If you don't like social shaming, stay out of public. It's going to happen even if your trying to social shame those social shaming. I mean that's what you're doing isn't it?

 

[Michelle]

6 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

I don't remember AIDs behind airborne and killing thousands left right and centre at a rapid pace. Did that happen did it? 

I don't remember you ever NOT being a jerk either.

 

[jeceris]

[Knob Oddy]

25 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Keep away from public spaces. Stay in your own space. Then you're not putting others at risk and can wallow happily in your decision.

But even vaccinated people can spread the virus. So maybe everyone should stay in their own spaces so that the perpetually scared can remain "safe" in their cages until death

[psyche101]

21 minutes ago, Michelle said:

I don't remember you ever NOT being a jerk either.

 

You're old. You're memory is obviously failing.

[psyche101]

15 minutes ago, Hugh Mungus said:

But even vaccinated people can spread the virus. So maybe everyone should stay in their own spaces so that the perpetually scared can remain "safe" in their cages until death

Nope. They have done their level best to make public places safe. We need fools like yourself caged up so you don't drag everyone down with you. And you should not get allowed back out untill you can demonstrate some level of intelligence.

[XenoFish]

When the control freaks come out to play.

[+Hammerclaw]

Some people get vaccinated and go back to a normal life.  Some people can't for a legitimate medical reason. Some people love being locked down, living in perpetual fear of the virus and the vaccine. They demand everyone else cower in fear with them. They can go to hell.

[XenoFish]

Some of us essential workers didn't get months long vacations at tax payers expense. We worked through it. Our lives didn't change all that much. Then getting preached to by those who want to "get back to normal". My year and a half never changed. I took all the precautions last year, then said **** it. 

[Hawken]

My question is, if we're in a pandemic. Why is Biden allowing migrants flood into the southern border unchecked?

Who knows what diseases they carry. Could be the reason for the spikes in covid.

[+Hammerclaw]

30 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Some of us essential workers didn't get months long vacations at tax payers expense. We worked through it. Our lives didn't change all that much. Then getting preached to by those who want to "get back to normal". My year and a half never changed. I took all the precautions last year, then said **** it. 

i worked at Walmart fulltime until January this year when I retired. Then I got the shots and don't masked anymore. except to the doctors. I visited family members suffering from the virus; it wasn't pretty. I'd advise everyone to minimize their chance of getting it. Getting the shot is no different than the shots we got as kids for polio and tuberculosis. If people choose to put themselves at risk, that's their problem, not mine. Where I draw the line is when such people expect the rest of us to accommodate their poor judgment.

Edited July 23, 2021 by Hammerclaw

[psyche101]

22 minutes ago, Hawken said:

My question is, if we're in a pandemic. Why is Biden allowing migrants flood into the southern border unchecked?

Who knows what diseases they carry. Could be the reason for the spikes in covid.

Everywhere in the world as covid strikes because of Biden now?

[+Hammerclaw]

5 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Everywhere in the world as covid strikes because of Biden now?

Yeah; he took over for Trump.