+Nuclear Wessel Posted October 17, 2021 #476 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Abramelin said: Why don't you? "The y" ... Dude, that's nothing. Here's a doozy from a long while back from the alleged "English teacher": 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 17, 2021 #477 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Well, Walker may have been intoxicated once in a while. Like many of us are, sometimes? But the typo I posted shows up in all of his posts. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted October 17, 2021 #478 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, Abramelin said: Well, Walker may have been intoxicated once in a while. Like many of us are, sometimes? But he doesn't drink alcohol or do drugs. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 17, 2021 #479 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Y'all are arguing with an old man with delusions of granduer. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 17, 2021 #480 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, Nuclear Wessel said: But he doesn't drink alcohol or do drugs. He just had a rare attack of dyslexia, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted October 17, 2021 #481 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Just now, Abramelin said: He just had a rare attack of dyslexia, right? Either that or he was drifting in and out of consciousness at the keyboard. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 17, 2021 #482 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: Y'all are arguing with an old man with delusions of granduer. I sort of said that a few posts ago. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 17, 2021 #483 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Abramelin said: I sort of said that a few posts ago. I've gone on rants about it over the years. It does nothing. At least Walker has one skill, he is a master thread thief. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 17, 2021 #484 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, XenoFish said: I've gone on rants about it over the years. It does nothing. At least Walker has one skill, he is a master thread thief. And thàt's because he knows how to play us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 17, 2021 #485 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Abramelin said: And thàt's because he knows how to play us. Y'all not me. I've got him on ignore. I just get the "second hand smoke" of it all. Too me this is like watching a circus. The main clown leading the others around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 17, 2021 #486 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Y'all not me. I've got him on ignore. I just get the "second hand smoke" of it all. Too me this is like watching a circus. The main clown leading the others around. Heh, you're here, responding to "second hand smoke". Well, let's just all admit that those who programmed him did a great job. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 17, 2021 #487 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Most discussion in this section start off with a simple premise. They would normally burn out within say 10 to 20 pages of normal discussion. Probably less. With most devolving into "Ur God Dum" to "I know everything and I'm the smartest person in the universe". With believers and non-believers bickering with the same arguments over and over. Then the thread derailments and derailers. Granted sometimes derailments lead to better discussions. However in this case and with I think the bulk of threads in this section they become about Walker. It never stops and so few seem to want it to. Even now if we were to ask ourselves "What is Heaven and Hell to Us?" and go back on topic. I'd say within maybe 5 post it would got right off course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 17, 2021 #488 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Abramelin said: Heh, you're here, responding to "second hand smoke". Well, let's just all admit that those who programmed him did a great job. Well actually I am responding. I might want the thread to be on topic. Can you imagine what I do with mod power? Hope that never happens. edit: The word Draconian describe it. Edited October 17, 2021 by XenoFish 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted October 17, 2021 #489 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Ok, let's get back on topic. Hell: Walker is a real person; Heaven: Walker is an adorable bot. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted October 17, 2021 #490 Share Posted October 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, XenoFish said: It never stops and so few seem to want it to. I'm just ****ing bored, dude. That's all it is. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 17, 2021 #491 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Nuclear Wessel said: I'm just ****ing bored, dude. That's all it is. You and me both. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted October 17, 2021 #492 Share Posted October 17, 2021 16 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Maybe it's me . I just didn't get the point of your GIF. Hi Walker You are walking on a slippery slope so that is what the meme means and why I gave it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted October 18, 2021 #493 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Sherapy said: in Zoology, thinking is defined as mental flexibility meaning that if an animal can basically come up with a novel way to get from point A to point B that is not hardwired ( innate) it is said to be thinking. Quite true. I had a double pronged metal flower basket hanger, which was a slim metal pole with two offset prongs or extensions at the top for two baskets and a stake a the bottom for planting it into the ground. I used it, instead, for two birdfeeders and put it in front of a back window so Mom could watch the birds feed. There were always ground squirrels or chipmunks, scurrying about in the backyard. They would come and feed on seed knocked to the ground by the birds, under the feeders. However, one day, one ground squirrel aspired to greater heights. It began climbing the pole like a little man, hand over hand, to the height of the biggest feeder, then it would leap from the pole to one of the feeder's landing stages and help itself. Now that took three dimensional thinking, no mean amount of problem-solving and a high level of reasoning skills. Amusingly, one day it tried to climb the pole when it was raining, lightly. The pole was wet and it would almost reach the right height, only to keep sliding back down the wet pole. It seemed so frustrated! Edited October 18, 2021 by Hammerclaw 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted October 18, 2021 #494 Share Posted October 18, 2021 21 hours ago, eight bits said: The issue was whether (to name one species) dogs feel and think. If they do, then they feel and think as dogs feel and think. There is no reason why their way of consciousness would be the same as any human's way. Nobody here has proposed such an identical equality. Except for the revealed word of your denomination's God, there is no foundation for assuming that the human way of doing anything is the only way on earth ever to do that thing. My conviction is that the dogs whom I know feel something for me that it is analogous to what I feel for them, not that we feel the same. That conviction is founded on experience, both my own and what other people have shared with me. Often with pictures. On this point, then, I have what Mark Twain descrcibed as the quiet confidence of a Christian with four aces. Your mileage differs? So much the worse for you. That wasn't my argument Mine was about the LEVEL of self aware consciousness required to think in abstract and conceptual terms and to have the language required to do tihs Most animals "think" , and have some awareness, which differentiates them from plants . And no, it has nothing to do with god (for me) It is about the science and the evidences Not even sure where that view came from in your mind. Humans are animals and thus we have much of the biological imperatives and drivers of other primates (for example) My point is tha t we have evolved an extra/ more sophisticated layer of thought, which makes us unique There are no evidences for other forms of thinking on a level with, but difernt to, human, although many animals have evolve unique and specialised forms of communication like bird song or whale song Experience is essential but study and academic knowledge form experts is required in a field like this otherwise we tend to see other animals as being "like humas" because being human is the only experience we have. A picture means nothing without the words to understand it even if those words are only in your mind. Even the natural environment requires language if it is to be deciphered and understood at a human level Without the capacity for language a being isn't really human because it is our language of the mind which defines us. Without language we are just a naked ape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted October 18, 2021 #495 Share Posted October 18, 2021 19 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said: If you make a claim with no supporting evidence then I don’t need to provide evidence to counter-claim it as false. It is not about whether your argument is actually true or false—it very well may be true, but the fact is that I don’t carry the obligation to provide evidence for my counter-claim if you have not provided evidence for your initial claim. I also don’t have to accept the possibility of it to be true if you provide no grounds for such. yes you do (to claim it is false) Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack if i fail to produce evidence, you can legitimately remain unconvinced, but to be sure that I am wrong you must have evidences proving I am wrong This is something modern people dont seem to get, perhaps due to a lack of formal education in debating However i agree You don't HAVE to provide evidences any more than i do These days people can research the truth quite easily BUT you cant claim i am factually wrong without providing evidences for that claim. Without evidences from either side it is a debate on opinions views etc. And unless you can prove anything (to yourself at least ) to be false, it is foolish not to keep an open mind I see no evidences for abstract/ conceptual thinking in other animals, but i keep an open mind to the possibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted October 18, 2021 #496 Share Posted October 18, 2021 13 hours ago, Abramelin said: Walker, you may have read tons of books. But so have I. It doesn't make me feel superior to those who didn't. Why do you (- as is bloody obvious from the tomes you post-)? I still think you are some sort of a bot, or just someone with an ego that could rival a huge balloon. Noone here believes your 'perfect' life, your 'perfect knowledge of everything' (after a couple of days of intense googling, that is). You are also simply UNable to answer in a clear and concise way. The more words you use, the less you are able to convey your message. Edited to add: You may have noticed I almost edit 90 % of my posts because of typo's. But English isn't my mother tongue. Why don't you? "The y" ... I dont feel superior to anyone Thats an opinion you form of me from the way i post All humans have strengths and weaknesses and areas of skill and knowldge I am very good at many things, having studied and practiced them for almost 70 years and very bad a t others You see i question why no one can accept my life as it is Everything i write about it here is true, yet some people seem to live lives so "poor" in contrast that the y cant accept this is just normal Ps life is never perfect BUT it is what we make it to be, either physically or mentally My wife and i dont worry about physical material things. We dont get angry upset etc if we have troubles illnesses or disasters in our lives We dont feel the extremes of emotion some see unable to a void. heck just iving in the time and place we do makes us the most fortunate humans ever to live on earth. I am richer healthier more free and better cared for than even the kings of the past. And iagree tha t i use a lot of words Complex points require complex explanations. Concise writing often is inadequate to explain complex things fully or to make a full argument but then i read and write very quickly And if you have two or more languages then you are superior to me in tha t regard i would never have guessed so your proof reading etc is clearly effective Ps it takes me a few minutes to type a post like this but 4 times as long to proof read and correct it, and even then I don't polish it. This is not a formal channel of communication but a social one and so I don't perfect my writing. It would be a waste of valuable time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eight bits Posted October 18, 2021 #497 Share Posted October 18, 2021 40 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: That wasn't my argument Mine was about the LEVEL of self aware consciousness required to think in abstract and conceptual terms and to have the language required to do tihs You fail to show that human language is required for abstract and conceptual thinking. At best, you offer a fallacious argument from ignorance, thet you personally can't understand how such thinking could occur without human language. Who cares what you personally can't understand? Since that is supposedly your "argument" (as opposed to the preaching of religious dogma that it so obviously is), and you're not going to back it up, then we need to move on. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted October 18, 2021 #498 Share Posted October 18, 2021 8 hours ago, joc said: Are you psychic? Yes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted October 18, 2021 #499 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Mr Walker said: yes you do (to claim it is false) Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack This is just not true. You don't get to tell me what I can and cannot do when it comes to people making truth claims, thanks. If no evidence is provided to support the claim then I have no obligation to accept the claim as a possibility, nor do I have an obligation to accept it as true. I can claim the initial as false until proven otherwise as the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the claimant, not on me. You love skirting along the edges of argumentum ad ignorantiam. Quote if i fail to produce evidence, you can legitimately remain unconvinced, but to be sure that I am wrong you must have evidences proving I am wrong I can remain unconvinced and assert your truth claim as false until you provide evidence otherwise. To be certain you are wrong could take an infinite amount of time, depending on the claims being made. That doesn't mean that I can't claim it as false, though. That being said, I think you're seriously missing the point. It has nothing to do with the inherent nature of the claim being made--whether the claim is actually true or not is irrelevant, but without evidence your truth claims may or may not be true, and in the absence of evidence I reserve the right to claim it as false until you, the initial claimant, provides evidence to substantiate the claim. Might be that chunky 180 IQ of yours not being able to understand my simpleton logic. Quote This is something modern people dont seem to get, perhaps due to a lack of formal education in debating And understanding the burden of proof seems to be something that you don't get. Perhaps you just don't understand the burden of proof. Perhaps you don't understand that I can make a negating counter-point in the absence of evidence to support the initial truth claim. There are no grounds on which I am required to accept your claim as true. Maybe you just don't like that because you're a controlling, manipulative person who is used to people accepting their claims as gospel, like an SDA pathfinder would? Who knows? Quote However i agree You don't HAVE to provide evidences any more than i do These days people can research the truth quite easily BUT you cant claim i am factually wrong without providing evidences for that claim. You can't claim that you are factually correct without providing evidences for that claim. See what I did there? Quote Without evidences from either side it is a debate on opinions views etc. Then it's your opinion that you've read 30000 books. Quote And unless you can prove anything (to yourself at least ) to be false, it is foolish not to keep an open mind I see no evidences for abstract/ conceptual thinking in other animals, but i keep an open mind to the possibility Good for you. I don't give a damn. I'm not you. I don't care about you or how you perceive things. To me, your claims are wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle. Maybe you did read 30,000 books. To me, though, it's a false claim. I don't believe you. I am under no obligation to change my views, either. Tough luck. Edited October 18, 2021 by Nuclear Wessel 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted October 18, 2021 #500 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 hours ago, Mr Walker said: Ps it takes me a few minutes to type a post like this but 4 times as long to proof read and correct it, and even then I don't polish it. So your incessant claim to having speed reading skills is also another or just one more of your multitude of lies... ~ 2 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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