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1 hour ago, Abramelin said:

Why don't you?

"The y" ...

Dude, that's nothing. Here's a doozy from a long while back from the alleged "English teacher":

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Well, Walker may have been intoxicated once in a while. Like many of us are, sometimes?

But the typo I posted shows up in all of his posts.

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Just now, Abramelin said:

Well, Walker may have been intoxicated once in a while. Like many of us are, sometimes?

But he doesn't drink alcohol or do drugs. :-*

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Y'all are arguing with an old man with delusions of granduer. 

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Just now, Nuclear Wessel said:

But he doesn't drink alcohol or do drugs. :-*

He just had a rare attack of dyslexia, right?

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Just now, Abramelin said:

He just had a rare attack of dyslexia, right?

Either that or he was drifting in and out of consciousness at the keyboard.

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1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

Y'all are arguing with an old man with delusions of granduer. 

I sort of said that a few posts ago.

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1 minute ago, Abramelin said:

I sort of said that a few posts ago.

I've gone on rants about it over the years. It does nothing. At least Walker has one skill, he is a master thread thief. 

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1 minute ago, XenoFish said:

I've gone on rants about it over the years. It does nothing. At least Walker has one skill, he is a master thread thief. 

And thàt's because he knows how to play us.

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1 minute ago, Abramelin said:

And thàt's because he knows how to play us.

Y'all not me. I've got him on ignore. I just get the "second hand smoke" of it all. Too me this is like watching a circus. The main clown leading the others around. 

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2 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Y'all not me. I've got him on ignore. I just get the "second hand smoke" of it all. Too me this is like watching a circus. The main clown leading the others around. 

Heh, you're here, responding to "second hand smoke".

Well, let's just all admit that those who programmed him did a great job.

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Most discussion in this section start off with a simple premise. They would normally burn out within say 10 to 20 pages of normal discussion. Probably less. With most devolving into "Ur God Dum" to "I know everything and I'm the smartest person in the universe". With believers and non-believers bickering with the same arguments over and over. Then the thread derailments and derailers. Granted sometimes derailments lead to better discussions. However in this case and with I think the bulk of threads in this section they become about Walker. It never stops and so few seem to want it to. 

Even now if we were to ask ourselves "What is Heaven and Hell to Us?" and go back on topic. I'd say within maybe 5 post it would got right off course.

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3 minutes ago, Abramelin said:

Heh, you're here, responding to "second hand smoke".

Well, let's just all admit that those who programmed him did a great job.

Well actually I am responding. I might want the thread to be on topic. Can you imagine what I do with mod power? Hope that never happens. 

edit: The word Draconian describe it.

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Ok, let's get back on topic.

Hell: Walker is a real person;

Heaven: Walker is an adorable bot.

:P

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11 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

It never stops and so few seem to want it to. 

I'm just ****ing bored, dude. That's all it is.

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1 minute ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

I'm just ****ing bored, dude. That's all it is.

You and me both. 

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16 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Maybe it's me .

I just didn't get the point of your GIF. 

Hi Walker

You are walking on a slippery slope so that is what the meme means and why I gave it.:tu:

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11 hours ago, Sherapy said:

in Zoology,  thinking is defined as mental flexibility meaning that if an animal can basically come up with a novel way to get from point A to point B that is not hardwired ( innate) it is said to be thinking. 

Quite true. I had a double pronged metal flower basket hanger, which was a slim metal pole with two offset prongs or extensions at the top for two baskets and a stake a the bottom for planting it into the ground. I used it, instead, for two birdfeeders and put it in front of a back window so Mom could watch the birds feed. There were always ground squirrels or chipmunks, scurrying about in the backyard. They would come and feed on seed knocked to the ground by the birds, under the feeders. However, one day, one ground squirrel aspired to greater heights. It began climbing the pole like a little man, hand over hand, to the height of the biggest feeder, then it would leap from the pole to one of the feeder's landing stages and help itself. Now that took three dimensional thinking, no mean amount of problem-solving and a high level of reasoning skills. Amusingly, one day it tried to climb the pole when it was raining, lightly. The pole was wet and it would almost reach the right height, only to keep sliding back down the wet pole. It seemed so frustrated!

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21 hours ago, eight bits said:

The issue was whether (to name one species) dogs feel and think. If they do, then they feel and think as dogs feel and think. There is no reason why their way of consciousness would be the same as any human's way. Nobody here has proposed such an identical equality.

Except for the revealed word of your denomination's God, there is no foundation for assuming that the human way of doing anything is the only way on earth ever to do that thing. My conviction is that the dogs whom I know feel something for me that it is analogous to what I feel for them, not that we feel the same.

That conviction is founded on experience, both my own and what other people have shared with me. Often with pictures. On this point, then, I have what Mark Twain descrcibed as the quiet confidence of a Christian with four aces.

Your mileage differs? So much the worse for you.

 

That wasn't my argument Mine was  about  the LEVEL of self aware consciousness required to think in abstract and conceptual terms  and to have the language required to do tihs 

Most animals "think" , and have some awareness, which differentiates them from plants . 

And no, it has nothing to do with god (for me)  It is about the science and the evidences 

 Not even sure where that  view came from  in your mind. 

Humans are animals and thus we have much of the biological imperatives and drivers of other primates  (for example) My point is tha t we have evolved an extra/ more sophisticated layer of thought, which makes us unique  There are no evidences for other forms of thinking on a level with, but difernt to, human, although many animals  have evolve unique and specialised forms of communication like bird song or whale song 

Experience is essential but study and academic knowledge form experts is required in a field like this  otherwise we tend to see other animals  as being "like humas" because being human is the only experience we have. 

A picture means nothing without the  words to understand it  even if those words are only in your mind.

Even the natural environment  requires language if it is  to be deciphered and understood at a human level 

Without the capacity for language a being isn't really human because it is our language of the mind which defines us.   Without language we are just a naked ape 

 

 

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19 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

If you make a claim with no supporting evidence then I don’t need to provide evidence to counter-claim it as false. It is not about whether your argument is actually true or false—it very well may be true, but the fact is that I don’t carry the obligation to provide evidence for my counter-claim if you have not provided evidence for your initial claim. I also don’t have to accept the possibility of it to be true if you provide no grounds for such. 

yes you do (to claim it is false)  Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack

if i fail to produce evidence, you can legitimately remain unconvinced, but to be sure that I am wrong you must have evidences proving I am wrong

This is something modern people dont seem to get, perhaps due to a lack of formal education in debating

However i agree  You don't HAVE to provide evidences any more than i do  These days people can research the truth quite easily   BUT you cant claim i am factually wrong without providing evidences for that claim. 

Without evidences from  either side it is a debate on opinions views etc.  

And unless you can prove anything  (to yourself at least ) to be false, it is foolish not to keep an open mind  I see no evidences for  abstract/ conceptual thinking in other animals, but i keep an open mind to the possibility  

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13 hours ago, Abramelin said:

Walker, you may have read tons of books. But so have I.

It doesn't make me feel superior to those who didn't.

Why do you (- as is bloody obvious from the tomes you post-)?

I still think you are some sort of a bot, or just someone with an ego that could rival a huge balloon.

Noone here believes your 'perfect' life, your 'perfect knowledge of everything' (after a couple of days of intense googling, that is).

You are also simply UNable to answer in a clear and  concise way.

The more words you use, the less you are able to convey your message.

Edited to add:

You may have noticed I almost edit 90 % of my posts because of typo's. But English isn't my mother tongue.

Why don't you?

"The y" ...

 

 

I dont feel superior to anyone 

Thats an opinion you form of me from the way i post 

All humans have strengths and weaknesses and areas of skill and knowldge   I am very good at many things, having studied and practiced them for almost 70 years  and very bad a t others 

You see i question why no one can accept my life as it is 

Everything i write about it here is true, yet some people seem to live lives so "poor" in contrast that the y cant accept  this is just normal 

Ps life is never perfect BUT it is what we make it to be, either physically or mentally    My wife and i dont worry about physical material things. We dont get angry upset  etc if we have troubles illnesses or disasters in our lives  We dont feel the extremes of emotion some see unable to a void.  heck  just  iving in the time and place we do makes us the most fortunate humans ever to live on earth.

I am richer healthier more free  and better cared for than even the kings of the past. 

And iagree  tha t i use a lot of words Complex points require complex explanations.

Concise writing often is inadequate to explain complex   things fully or to make a  full argument   

but then i read and write very quickly 

And if you have two or more languages then you are superior to me in tha t regard   i would never have guessed so your proof reading etc is clearly effective 

Ps it takes me  a few minutes to type a post like this but 4 times as long to proof read and correct it, and even then I don't polish it.  

This is not a formal channel of communication but a social one and so I don't perfect my writing. It would be a waste  of valuable time 

 

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40 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

That wasn't my argument Mine was  about  the LEVEL of self aware consciousness required to think in abstract and conceptual terms  and to have the language required to do tihs 

You fail to show that human language is required for abstract and conceptual thinking. At best, you offer a fallacious argument from ignorance, thet you personally can't understand how such thinking could occur without human language.

Who cares what you personally can't understand?

Since that is supposedly your "argument" (as opposed to the preaching of religious dogma that it so obviously is), and you're not going to back it up, then we need to move on.

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8 hours ago, joc said:

Are you psychic?

Yes.

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3 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

yes you do (to claim it is false)  Lack of evidence is not evidence of lack

This is just not true. You don't get to tell me what I can and cannot do when it comes to people making truth claims, thanks. :)

If no evidence is provided to support the claim then I have no obligation to accept the claim as a possibility, nor do I have an obligation to accept it as true. I can claim the initial as false until proven otherwise as the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of the claimant, not on me.

You love skirting along the edges of argumentum ad ignorantiam.

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if i fail to produce evidence, you can legitimately remain unconvinced, but to be sure that I am wrong you must have evidences proving I am wrong

I can remain unconvinced and assert your truth claim as false until you provide evidence otherwise. To be certain you are wrong could take an infinite amount of time, depending on the claims being made. That doesn't mean that I can't claim it as false, though.

That being said, I think you're seriously missing the point. It has nothing to do with the inherent nature of the claim being made--whether the claim is actually true or not is irrelevant, but without evidence your truth claims may or may not be true, and in the absence of evidence I reserve the right to claim it as false until you, the initial claimant, provides evidence to substantiate the claim.

Might be that chunky 180 IQ of yours not being able to understand my simpleton logic. ;)

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This is something modern people dont seem to get, perhaps due to a lack of formal education in debating

And understanding the burden of proof seems to be something that you don't get. Perhaps you just don't understand the burden of proof. Perhaps you don't understand that I can make a negating counter-point in the absence of evidence to support the initial truth claim. There are no grounds on which I am required to accept your claim as true. 

Maybe you just don't like that because you're a controlling, manipulative person who is used to people accepting their claims as gospel, like an SDA pathfinder would? 

Who knows? :)

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However i agree  You don't HAVE to provide evidences any more than i do  These days people can research the truth quite easily   BUT you cant claim i am factually wrong without providing evidences for that claim. 

You can't claim that you are factually correct without providing evidences for that claim. See what I did there?

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Without evidences from  either side it is a debate on opinions views etc.  

Then it's your opinion that you've read 30000 books.

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And unless you can prove anything  (to yourself at least ) to be false, it is foolish not to keep an open mind  I see no evidences for  abstract/ conceptual thinking in other animals, but i keep an open mind to the possibility  

Good for you. I don't give a damn. I'm not you. I don't care about you or how you perceive things. To me, your claims are wide as an ocean and as deep as a puddle.

Maybe you did read 30,000 books. To me, though, it's a false claim. I don't believe you. I am under no obligation to change my views, either.

Tough luck.

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3 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Ps it takes me  a few minutes to type a post like this but 4 times as long to proof read and correct it, and even then I don't polish it.  

So your incessant claim to having speed reading skills is also another or just one more of your multitude of lies... 

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