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Tibet and China clash over Dalai Lama reincarnation

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Tibet and China clash over next reincarnation of the Dalai Lama

The spiritual leader has mused that he may return as a woman. But his succession has turned into a political battle

A couple of years ago, during a meeting of Tibetan leaders in Dharamshala in India, Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama, was asked about his reincarnation. Addressing the room of monks, religious teachers and Tibetan politicians, the Dalai Lama asked them to look into his eyes. “Do you think it’s time now?” he asked.

It was a meeting that would end with the Tibetan leaders agreeing that the issue of reincarnation was one that would be decided only by the Dalai Lama himself. But China, which annexed Tibet in 1951 and has retained tight control over the region ever since, has other ideas. It insists that the choice of the next Dalai Lama lies only with China, and have even enshrined this right into Chinese law.

The Dalai Lama, who recently turned 86, has insisted that discussions of his death are premature (according to his own visions, he will live to 113). But a power struggle for who will choose his reincarnation after he dies has already begun.

Tibet and China clash over next reincarnation of the Dalai Lama | Dalai Lama | The Guardian

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Manwon Lender
59 minutes ago, Ted E Hughes said:

Tibet and China clash over next reincarnation of the Dalai Lama

The spiritual leader has mused that he may return as a woman. But his succession has turned into a political battle

A couple of years ago, during a meeting of Tibetan leaders in Dharamshala in India, Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama, was asked about his reincarnation. Addressing the room of monks, religious teachers and Tibetan politicians, the Dalai Lama asked them to look into his eyes. “Do you think it’s time now?” he asked.

It was a meeting that would end with the Tibetan leaders agreeing that the issue of reincarnation was one that would be decided only by the Dalai Lama himself. But China, which annexed Tibet in 1951 and has retained tight control over the region ever since, has other ideas. It insists that the choice of the next Dalai Lama lies only with China, and have even enshrined this right into Chinese law.

The Dalai Lama, who recently turned 86, has insisted that discussions of his death are premature (according to his own visions, he will live to 113). But a power struggle for who will choose his reincarnation after he dies has already begun.

Tibet and China clash over next reincarnation of the Dalai Lama | Dalai Lama | The Guardian

Hey Ted, this a great thread thanks for sharing this information. Being a Buddhist myself, I put little store in China's view of this issue, because from a Spiritual aspect the Dalai Lama is not chosen in the respect of giving someone that position to fill. Below is how all Dalai Lamas have been chosen and the requirements to be chosen. The interesting manner in which the Dalai Lama is chosen is listed below, but I will expand upon it.

The process begins after the death of the previous Dalai Lama, generally a young child will be recognized by accounts of his past life, and his ability to accurately name predetermined secrets only known to the Buddhist Council in Tibet. Once this child ( approximately 4 years old ) begins this recognition of his past members of the council are dispatched to his village where they conduct further testing to determine that he is the genuine reincarnation of the previous Dalai Lama. One of the tests conducted is as follows, an number of items are placed upon a table ( 30+ ) and 5 of those items belonged to the previous Dalai Lama. This child must pick the five items from the group without making a mistake. 

Since the omniscient Gedun Gyatso was recognized and confirmed as the reincarnation of Gedun Drub in the fifteenth century and the Gaden Phodrang Labrang (the Dalai Lama’s institution) was established, successive reincarnations have been recognized. The third in the line, Sonam Gyatso, was given the title of the Dalai Lama. The Fifth Dalai Lama, Ngawang Lobsang Gyatso, established the Gaden Phodrang Government in 1642, becoming the spiritual and political head of Tibet. For more than 600 years since Gedun Drub, a series of unmistaken reincarnations has been recognised in the lineage of the Dalai Lama. 

Process for identifying the reincarnated Dalai Lama.

The omniscient Gedun Drub, who was a direct disciple of Je Tsongkhapa, founded Tashi Lhunpo Monastery in Tsang and took care of his students. He passed away in 1474 at the age of 84. Although initially no efforts were made to identify his reincarnation, people were obliged to recognize a child named Sangye Chophel, who had been born in Tanak, Tsang (1476), because of what he had to say about his amazing and flawless recollections of his past life. Since then, a tradition began of searching for and recognizing the successive reincarnations of the Dalai Lamas by the Gaden Phodrang Labrang and later the Gaden Phodrang Government.

After the system of recognizing Tulkus came into being, various procedures for going about it began to develop and grow. Among these some of the most important involve the predecessor’s predictive letter and other instructions and indications that might occur; the reincarnation’s reliably recounting his previous life and speaking about it; identifying possessions belonging to the predecessor and recognizing people who had been close to him. Apart from these, additional methods include asking reliable spiritual masters for their divination as well as seeking the predictions of mundane oracles, who appear through mediums in trance, and observing the visions that manifest in sacred lakes of protectors like Lhamoi Latso, a sacred lake south of Lhasa.

When there happens to be more than one prospective candidate for recognition as a Tulku, and it becomes difficult to decide, there is a practice of making the final decision by divination employing the dough-ball method (zen tak) before a sacred image while calling upon the power of truth.

The next incarnation of the Dalai Lama, the 15th in succession 

As I mentioned earlier, reincarnation is a phenomenon which should take place either through the voluntary choice of the concerned person or at least on the strength of his or her karma, merit and prayers. Therefore, the person who reincarnates has sole legitimate authority over where and how he or she takes rebirth and how that reincarnation is to be recognized. It is a reality that no one else can force the person concerned, or manipulate him or her.

When I am about ninety I will consult the high Lamas of the Tibetan Buddhist traditions, the Tibetan public, and other concerned people who follow Tibetan Buddhism, and re-evaluate whether the institution of the Dalai Lama should continue or not. On that basis we will take a decision. If it is decided that the reincarnation of the Dalai Lama should continue and there is a need for the Fifteenth Dalai Lama to be recognized, responsibility for doing so will primarily rest on the concerned officers of the Dalai Lama’s Gaden Phodrang Trust.

They should consult the various heads of the Tibetan Buddhist traditions and the reliable oath-bound Dharma Protectors who are linked inseparably to the lineage of the Dalai Lamas. They should seek advice and direction from these concerned beings and carry out the procedures of search and recognition in accordance with past tradition. I shall leave clear written instructions about this. Bear in mind that, apart from the reincarnation recognized through such legitimate methods, no recognition or acceptance should be given to a candidate chosen for political ends by anyone, including those in the People’s Republic of China.

The Dalai Lama

Dharamsala
September 24, 2011

https://www.dalailama.com/the-dalai-lama/biography-and-daily-life/reincarnation

 

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China had already usurped the authority to recognize the reincarnated Panchen Lama, once the second highest spiritual authority (after the Dalai Lama) in the dominant Gelupga sect of Tibetan Buddhism.  That authority to recognize successor formerly belonged to the Dalai Lama.  The child the 14th Dalai Lama recognized as the next Panchen Lama in 1995 was abducted by China and never heard of again.  Then the Chinese government named their own designee, who retains the title and holds the traditional post of Abbot of the Tashilunpo Monastery.

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Disagreements between the government of the Dalai Lama and the Tashilhunpo administration over tax arrears led to the Panchen Lama’s flight to China in 1923. A boy born of Tibetan parents about 1938 in Qinghai province, China, Bskal-bzang Tshe-brtan, was recognized as his successor by the Chinese government but without having gone through the usual exacting tests that determine rebirth. He was taken to Tibet in 1952 under communist military escort and enthroned as head abbot of Tashilhunpo. The Panchen Lama remained in Tibet in 1959 after the popular revolt and the Dalai Lama’s flight into exile, but his refusal to denounce the Dalai Lama as a traitor brought him into disfavour with the Chinese government, which imprisoned him in Beijing in 1964. He was released in the late 1970s and died in 1989.

Following the death of the 10th Panchen Lama, a search was undertaken to discover his reincarnation. In 1995 the Dalai Lama recognized six-year-old Gedhun Choekyi Nyima as the 11th Panchen Lama, but this choice was rejected by the Chinese government, which took the boy into custody. The Chinese government appointed Gyancain Norbu the 11th Panchen Lama in late 1995

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Panchen-Lama

Now the Chinese government says it will appoint the next Dalai Lama, and they will no doubt enforce their will within the Chinese/Tibetan borders, as they've done with the Panchen Lama.

Will the Dalai Lama declare himself the last of his line?  What will Tibetan Buddhism do without its highest (and very noble) leader?  Will it reject a Chinese designee, which inevitably will be asserted?

Terrible situation for him and for Tibetan Buddhists.

 

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The DOLL-EYED LLAMA...

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Manwon Lender
54 minutes ago, Wistman said:

China had already usurped the authority to recognize the reincarnated Panchen Lama, once the second highest spiritual authority (after the Dalai Lama) in the dominant Gelupga sect of Tibetan Buddhism.  That authority to recognize successor formerly belonged to the Dalai Lama.  The child the 14th Dalai Lama recognized as the next Panchen Lama in 1995 was abducted by China and never heard of again.  Then the Chinese government named their own designee, who retains the title and holds the traditional post of Abbot of the Tashilunpo Monastery.

Now the Chinese government says it will appoint the next Dalai Lama, and they will no doubt enforce their will within the Chinese/Tibetan borders, as they've done with the Panchen Lama.

Will the Dalai Lama declare himself the last of his line?  What will Tibetan Buddhism do without its highest (and very noble) leader?  Will it reject a Chinese designee, which inevitably will be asserted?

Terrible situation for him and for Tibetan Buddhists.

 

It is a terrible situation, but even the Chinese can't prevent the Dharma Wheel from turning. So while they maintain in control of the territory, they are unable to control the minds of the people or the Spirituality and flow of Karmic destiny!:tu:

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Manwon Lender
3 minutes ago, and then said:

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The DOLL-EYED LLAMA...

You know that is not humorous, its direct insult to the spiritual beliefs of others!:no:

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Sir Wearer of Hats
4 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

You know that is not humorous, its direct insult to the spiritual beliefs of others!:no:

No, this this is humerus ... 

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Manwon Lender
1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

No, this this is humerus ... 

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That is humorous in a bone headed way ! :D

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One bonehead to another... 

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