Biden's botched Afghanistan exit is a disaster at home and abroad long in the making

[Likely Guy]

2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Neither does a murder, but the victim always winds up dead. Whenever great powers create a power vacuum, people die. They're still dying in Libya, from the one that was created there.

I'm not anti American, but yes, that was yet another 'great' American foreign policy **** up after another.

Where do you want to start off in history? Liberia? Or do we want to just cherry pick administrations?

Or, would you prefer to get back on topic?

[Grim Reaper 6]

53 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

So do we. We have a lot more real time experience using them, too. I foresee a lot of 73 Easting scenarios playing out.

Well I suspect few here even know what you talking about, all I can say is hopefully your wrong we certainly don't need a situation even remotely similar to that happening again. 

[+Hammerclaw]

1 minute ago, Likely Guy said:

I'm not anti American, but yes, that was yet another 'great' American foreign policy **** up after another.

Where do you want to start off in history? Liberia? Or do we want to just cherry pick administrations?

Or, would you prefer to get back on topic?

Actually, that was instigated by the French--who then begged our help. Back on topic, what aspect of this current debacle of the Biden Administration would you like to talk about?

[itsnotoutthere]

11 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

I think the collapse of the Government forces in Afghanistan has been so quick because they are mostly pro-Taliban. When asked they say we love America, we love freedom and democracy, but as soon as we are gone they want their Islamic Conservative state back.

Unfortunately we have trained them and built them a war machine a moderate member of NATO like Spain or Italy would be proud off.

Nail on the head. 

[itsnotoutthere]

Taliban filmed on dodgems and merry-go-round as militants enjoy ‘spoils of war’ after seizing control of Afghanistan

These are the people in charge of the country now......bet the women feel really safe.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newslondon/taliban-filmed-on-dodgems-and-merry-go-round-as-militants-enjoy-spoils-of-war-after-seizing-control-of-afghanistan/ar-AANpelJ

Edited August 17, 2021 by itsnotoutthere

[itsnotoutthere]

Very interesting & pertinent point at 2 minutes in.

[itsnotoutthere]

[itsnotoutthere]

It's quiz time.

What's missing from this flight that left Kabul yesterday?

[Setton]

12 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

With also slipped and forgotten that there was no evidence the Taliban were responsible for 9/11.

 

11 hours ago, aztek said:

are there any now?

That was never what anyone said.

The Taliban sheltered Al Qaeda, who were responsible, and gave them a safe place to train and plan attacks. That's why the West invaded, not because the Taliban themselves carried out attacks.

[itsnotoutthere]

Oh....scrub that.

[RAyMO]

48 minutes ago, Setton said:

The Taliban sheltered Al Qaeda, who were responsible, and gave them a safe place to train and plan attacks. That's why the West invaded, not because the Taliban themselves carried out attacks.

This is true - or was it because they believed they were habouring bin laden?

Interesting that when they traced bin Laden to Pakistan they didn't need an invasion.

[itsnotoutthere]

I suppose one day Western countries may learn that not all cultures are amenable to liberty, constitutionalism, rule of law etc or the Jewish, Greek, Roman, Christian and Enlightenment roots from which they sprung. But social engineers, from left or right, will never accept this

[Will Due]

6 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

Interesting that when they traced bin Laden to Pakistan they didn't need an invasion.

 

Good point.

The invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq was done so that Cheney's company Haliburton could make billions "cleaning up" the countries. Ours included.

 

 

[itsnotoutthere]

21 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Surely you mean male jihadi paradise.

On the bright side, at least Shamima Begum has got somewhere to go now and spend the rest of her days with like minded people. 

Told you :-

Shamima Begum’s Lawyer Celebrates Return Of Taliban

https://bristoltimes.co.uk/index.php/2021/08/16/shamima-begums-lawyer-jokes-the-boys-are-back-as-taliban-militants-seize-control/

[el midgetron]

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Afghanistan: Taliban confiscating weapons from civilians because they ‘no longer need them’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/afghanistan-taliban-soldiers-weapons-civilians-b1903340.html
 

[itsnotoutthere]

Just now, el midgetron said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/afghanistan-taliban-soldiers-weapons-civilians-b1903340.html
 

There's a bloodbath coming. In fact I've already seen a couple of videos showing how some women are being treated, too sickening to post on here. But it's started.

[el midgetron]

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It is not yet clear what rules the Taliban will put in place for women now. But here are some of the rules they strictly enforced the last time they were in power, according a 2001 report from the US State Department:

Women had to wear coverings from head to toe.

Women were not allowed to work, except in very limited circumstances.

Women were barred from attending schools.

Women's healthcare was restricted.

Women were not allowed to leave their homes unless they were accompanied by male relatives.

Women could only use special buses, and were only allowed to take taxis when with male relatives.

Women could not be with men who were not related to them on the street.

The windows of houses had to painted over to stop outsiders seeing women in their homes.

If they broke these rules, women were punished by methods including beatings, and death by stoning. Women were also subjected to rape, abduction, and forced marriage by the Taliban.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/taliban-rules-for-women-during-last-afghanistan-takeover-2021-8

[itsnotoutthere]

https://amgreatness.com/2020/01/20/afghanistan-is-joe-bidens-war/

Remember, Obama Warned America: ‘Don’t Underestimate Joe’s Ability To **** Things Up’

https://storywarrant.com/2021/08/16/remember-obama-warned-america-dont-underestimate-joes-ability-to-fk-things-up/

Edited August 17, 2021 by itsnotoutthere

[Duke Wellington]

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

There's a bloodbath coming. In fact I've already seen a couple of videos showing how some women are being treated, too sickening to post on here. But it's started.

In Afghanistan if the woman is showing a bit of flesh she is fair game.

And after she has been raped its her that gets locked up for it.

Edited August 17, 2021 by Cookie Monster

[docyabut2]

Sad:( Remembering seeing on the news many years ago .

  Taliban burning women alive cause their hair was shown.

killing all the girls going to school 

throwing homosexual men over from the top of a building

killing all the other religious people

beheading Americans 

and now its all going to happen again? 

    

Edited August 17, 2021 by docyabut2

[docyabut2]

Why can `nt the whole world and the Islamic countries go in and get rid of Taliban,

[Setton]

2 minutes ago, docyabut2 said:

Why can `nt the whole world and the Islamic countries go in and get rid of Taliban,

How?

The world's most powerful military, along with a lot of other leading military powers, have spent the last 20 years on that.

Look at the headlines today to see how it went.

What do you suggest doing differently?

[spartan max2]

10 minutes ago, Setton said:

How?

The world's most powerful military, along with a lot of other leading military powers, have spent the last 20 years on that.

Look at the headlines today to see how it went.

What do you suggest doing differently?

We got rid of them where we went. They just run to different nations. Like from Iraq then to Afghanistan, than to Pakistan. 

No way to eradicate them unless other nations in the middle east truly wanted to.

Edited August 17, 2021 by spartan max2

[Setton]

6 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

We got rid of them where we went. They just run to different nations. Like from Iraq then to Afghanistan, than to Pakistan. 

No way to eradicate them unless other nations in the middle east truly wanted to.

Even then, it's an impossible task. They can just down weapons until you leave then pick them up again.

[WVK]

Ron Paul had it right 10 year’s ago 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrHm4phj5RQ