UK will welcome thousands of new refugees

[TigerBright19]

13 minutes ago, Setton said:

Because that works so well.

You do realise the main reason the middle East is so ****ed up is because we tried to divide it up after each world war?

It is primarily because we want to impose western principles and ideals onto a reluctant middle east nation which does not want to adopt our way of life.  Their attitude to women, slavery, punishment, and sense of freedom is parallel opposites to ours.  This fundamental incompatibility has made progress very difficult as they refuse to integrate into the 21st century.

 

1921 Summary of Afghanistan.

 

 

 

[toast]

On 8/17/2021 at 3:10 PM, L.A.T.1961 said:

Berlin turns to blame game amid Afghanistan chaos 

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-military-afghanistan-conflict-kabul-airport-annegret-kramp-karrenbauer/

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German opposition parties accused Kramp-Karrenbauer and other members of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cabinet of poor planning. It should have been clear that Afghanistan would no longer be safe for westerners and those who assisted them once NATO troops pulled out, Annalena Baerbock, the Green party leader and candidate for chancellor, said in a television interview Monday evening.

The "planning" was an absolut failure by AKK (Annegret Kramp-Karrenbauer) and our German foreign minister apprentice Heiko Maas. Both persons have shown for years already that they are absolutely incapable to accomplish their tasks. A lot of blabla, a lot of admonitions, words-words-words but no usefull actions, they didnt managed anything positive and/or meaningful. But their time is running out fortunately because next month is federal election here and the CDU party, where these idiots belong to, has lost a lot of voters.

[Setton]

1 hour ago, TigerBright19 said:

It is primarily because we want to impose western principles and ideals onto a reluctant middle east nation which does not want to adopt our way of life.  Their attitude to women, slavery, punishment, and sense of freedom is parallel opposites to ours.  This fundamental incompatibility has made progress very difficult as they refuse to integrate into the 21st century.

 

1921 Summary of Afghanistan.

 

 

 

That'll be why it worked so well in the former Ottoman states then? You could certainly never claim they were 'exclusive'.

You know, places like Iraq, Iran, Syria. All such stable places.

[Duke Wellington]

Boris Johnston has said this evening in Parliament only 5000 will be given immediate asylum.

The rest will have to wait until next year.

[Likely Guy]

Canada got more than 20,000 Syrian refugees and they became model citizens.

Everyone warned us against 'hidden terrorists'. That never happened. They were grateful and productive.

Afghans, as many as we can bring to safety. We're a big country, but we need more people.

[spud the mackem]

On 8/18/2021 at 1:03 AM, TigerBright19 said:

Silly question, but why can't the refugees just settle in the countries that are beside Afghanistan e.g. Pakistan?  If we still owned British India would we ask the refugees to settle there?

 

 

Pakistan and other Countries have closed their borders to all Afghan people , no reason given , but Pakistan allowed Al-Qaeda to come and go as they pleased .  

[spud the mackem]

19 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Boris Johnston has said this evening in Parliament only 5000 will be given immediate asylum.

The rest will have to wait until next year.

How many of the 5000 are terrorist sleepers waiting to cause trouble once they are here , we should leave them where they are .

[Golden Duck]

5 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

Pakistan and other Countries have closed their borders to all Afghan people , no reason given , but Pakistan allowed Al-Qaeda to come and go as they pleased .  

Pakistan is not a party to the Refugee Convention.

[spud the mackem]

16 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Pakistan is not a party to the Refugee Convention.

Pakistan is not a party to anything , they allow terrorists to train there , and send dozens of their so called "students" to Britain , some of these "students" are up to 40 years old ,but a long as they have work visas they can claim benefits ,paid for by the British taxpayer . 

[Golden Duck]

4 hours ago, spud the mackem said:

Pakistan is not a party to anything , they allow terrorists to train there , and send dozens of their so called "students" to Britain , some of these "students" are up to 40 years old ,but a long as they have work visas they can claim benefits ,paid for by the British taxpayer . 

Weird, students come to Australia on what we call a "student visa" and they are restricted to 40 hours work per fortnight, unless they are now in an essential workforce.  No benefits except for charity food donations during the pandemic.

But, what's that got to do with an expectation they should take refugees?

[itsnotoutthere]

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[itsnotoutthere]

And so it begins:-

 

A person from Afghanistan on the UK's no-fly watch list was flown into Birmingham as part of the evacuation of Kabul, government officials confirmed.

The individual, who was identified as being on the list on arrival in the UK, was later not deemed a person of interest after investigation.

The no-fly watch list is used to stop people coming to the UK who are thought to be a security threat.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58311964

[itsnotoutthere]

As many as 100 Afghan evacuees flown out of war-torn Kabul are on intelligence agency watch lists, a United States government official warned on Tuesday as it was revealed one passenger flown out to Qatar has potential ties to ISIS.

The Afghans, potential candidates for Special Immigration Visas (SIV), were flagged as possible matches to intelligence agency watch lists by the Defense Department's Automated Biometric Identification System, an official with the U.S. government told Defense One. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9924131/Up-100-Afghan-evacuees-flown-war-torn-Kabul-terror-watch-lists-official-warns.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline

[itsnotoutthere]

Afghans with UK passports should face some serious questions as to why they were in a land they claimed asylum from. They won't, of course.

[Silver]

I chuckle when I so often hear the arguement that "charity begins at home": we have people of our own living on the streets, what about them? We should help them first!

The irony of this arguement never seems to appear to the people makling this it.

Yes, we do have thousands of our own people living on the streets and in sub-standard housing. Why don't we do something about it? We could, anytime, if we wanted to.

We are often reminded that the UK is the world's 5th richest economy. We can spend millions on failed vanity projects, billions on failed things like track and trace (as long as it is going onto the right pockets of course).

Why don't we, as a nation, end the disgrace of people sleeping rough and families living in hovels paying landlords extortionate rents?

The answer of course is that we don't want to .We only use the arguement "we need to look after or own first" when we want to stop helping someone else. Once the emergency is past, we just continue to ignore our poor and disadvantaged- they go back to being "scroungers".

 

[Silver]

On 8/24/2021 at 9:23 AM, itsnotoutthere said:

We, in the UK, are responsible for him living on the street.  Not the people of Afghanistan. We could make the decision to give him decent housing anytime we wanted to. But we'd rather spend £57 million on private jets and £250 million for a vanity yacht for our clown of a PM.

[L.A.T.1961]

1 hour ago, The Silver Shroud said:

We, in the UK, are responsible for him living on the street.  Not the people of Afghanistan. We could make the decision to give him decent housing anytime we wanted to. But we'd rather spend £57 million on private jets and £250 million for a vanity yacht for our clown of a PM.

If only £300 million would sort the problem. 

But if it was successful extend the timeline and contemplate what happens next. 

[Silver]

3 hours ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

If only £300 million would sort the problem. 

But if it was successful extend the timeline and contemplate what happens next. 

The government thinks £300 million is a handome amount:Government pledges further £310 million to tackle homelessness - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

We spend £750 million on our poorest, out of a total wealth of close to £3 trillion per year- something like a quarter of 0.01%.

That's the UK's choice.

So it is a bit disinginuous for that cartoonist to suggest we have ex-servicemen sleeping on the street because of the possibility of Afghan refugees arriving in the country, don't you think?

[Duke Wellington]

Yawn, we know from the news practically no Afghans are making it here.

Lets say the final total is 20,000, thats a drop in the ocean.

[L.A.T.1961]

2 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

The government thinks £300 million is a handome amount:Government pledges further £310 million to tackle homelessness - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

We spend £750 million on our poorest, out of a total wealth of close to £3 trillion per year- something like a quarter of 0.01%.

That's the UK's choice.

 

How is the 750 million arrived at, is it direct funds targeting the poorest ?

Does that cost include unlimited NHS services for those individuals or provision of schools or the military defending the UK or security services as well as any direct benefits that might be received including housing?  

The advantages of living in the UK provide many benefits and just because those benefits cannot be turned into cash and spent by an individual does not mean there is no advantage to them.

The strange thing is why this is ignored. 

I would say those considered to be the poorest receive much more than 750 millions worth of value from living in the UK.  

 

[itsnotoutthere]

Hearing a lot about Afgan 'British nationals' with British passports trying to flee the country......what are so many of them doing in Afganistan?

Wonder if they're all attending the same wedding? 

Edited August 27, 2021 by itsnotoutthere

[spud the mackem]

3 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Hearing a lot about Afgan 'British nationals' with British passports trying to flee the country......what are so many of them doing in Afganistan?

Wonder if they're all attending the same wedding? 

If they are Afghans how did they get a British passport . Maybe they were asylum seekers given a Brit passport then rushed back to their native country to fight against us .

[itsnotoutthere]

52 minutes ago, spud the mackem said:

If they are Afghans how did they get a British passport . Maybe they were asylum seekers given a Brit passport then rushed back to their native country to fight against us .

Or buy property or start businesses curtesy of the British taxpayer. 

[Silver]

The UK receives considerably fewer asylum claims than other EU nations, with 26,900 in the 12 months to March of 2021, compared with 122,000 in Germany and 94,000 in France. Britain ranks 17th for asylum applicants in Europe when measured per head of population.

But, since Brexit, we are stuck with them lol:

The home secretary has said she intends to replace the Dublin regulation, which allowed it to return asylum seekers to EU member states while Britain was part of the bloc, with “bilateral returns arrangements”.

However, The Independent has received confirmation from a number of EU countries this week, including France – which many asylum seekers pass through on their way to Britain – that they still do not intend to strike bilateral returns deals with the UK government.

‘Total mess’: Surge in asylum seekers considered for removal to EU despite UK’s failure to establish returns deals (old) (msn.com)