UM-Bot Posted August 28, 2021 #1 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Science writer Alex Berezow has offered a damning verdict on the odds of us ever meeting ET face to face. https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/350184/berezow-we-will-never-meet-intelligent-aliens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolko Posted August 28, 2021 #2 Share Posted August 28, 2021 If I understand this right, what he is saying is, if humans haven't invented the ability to travel the stars then nothing else in the universe could do it, we have to visit them show them how the universe works, A bit arrogant, Or have I just got it wrong? 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted August 28, 2021 #3 Share Posted August 28, 2021 (edited) And they will never meet intelligent humans, because, not sure they exist, lol ! Edited August 28, 2021 by Jon the frog 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxman Posted August 28, 2021 #4 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Such an underwhelming narrow point of view, think he needs to broaden his horizons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted August 28, 2021 #5 Share Posted August 28, 2021 40 minutes ago, Saxman said: Such an underwhelming narrow point of view, think he needs to broaden his horizons. No he need an event horizon ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socio Posted August 29, 2021 #6 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Better question is why would they want too? If they were to look at the earth today they would see a civilization where several factions are fighting to control the entire globe, and enslave it's population in one form or another. A population where at least 75% of it is just a stones throw from the stone age, in a world where the lowest common denominator is elevated above all others and whom are breeding it into extinction. We are far to ignorant, barbaric, and primitive to warrant any interest from a civilization advanced enough to travel here, and the direction we are headed and how we keep repeating history we are never getting off this rock, we are destined to keep running in a circle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted August 29, 2021 #7 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Why do people seem to think that the Universe 'out there' is any different from the Universe 'right here'? It isn't...the Universe is the same....it's the same laws of physics...the same periodic table of elements...so... Why then do some people think that there is intelligent life out there who has been building technology for millions of years and haven't destroyed themselves doing it? We are not in the infancy of technology...we are nearer to the end of it. The Universal qualifier for life must eat other life. The Evolution of Species cannot be any different on any other life bearing planet than it is on Earth. I think some people are locked into the Star Trek science fiction so deep they think it isn't fiction. It is. It's fiction. All of it. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreadLordAvatar Posted August 29, 2021 #8 Share Posted August 29, 2021 It’s possible aliens are here right now and we simply can’t see them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred_mc Posted August 29, 2021 #9 Share Posted August 29, 2021 I think it might be very dangerous to meet, that we have a lot of micro-organisms, bacteria and viruses, that would kill them pretty much directly since their immune system has no protection against them. Even if some aliens survive, they could bring for them dangerous micro-organisms back to their planet and kill everyone there. The same could happen if we try to visit them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saywhat Posted August 29, 2021 #10 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Kind of arrogant. The first airplane flew only 119 years ago, and we think we've already figured out the limits of not only humanity, but every other possible form of ET's out there? OK then... 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted August 29, 2021 #11 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) I say this in a non arrogant as possible way….. I’m not sure many people in this forum understand the vastness of space…. Nor do the really get what would happen to a “ship” that hit a pebble at .05 the speed of light. I’m not sure people really get the vastness of a measure called “time” Space is really really big people. no one will read what I just typed and get it. Did the tree fall in the forest if noone heard it? Edited August 29, 2021 by Nobu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vox Posted August 29, 2021 #12 Share Posted August 29, 2021 My biggest hang up with both the article and comments that are often read on the forum is the assumption that we will physically deploy to the next star system (or wherever) when in actual fact it will more likely be some sort of robotic artificial intelligence that will do so. Unfazed by time, these machines will do all the exploring for us - in fact, I�d hazard to believe that other races will actively do the same or will have gone through a phase of their development where they did the same. Also consider that with miniaturisation, the shape of the robot could be small. It could be a swarm of self-replicating AI that counters all eventualities and losses as they move from system to system, reporting back as they go along. Through these means we could discover and communicate with E.T. without having to consider the risks and permutations of biological space travel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saywhat Posted August 29, 2021 #13 Share Posted August 29, 2021 48 minutes ago, Nobu said: I say this in a non arrogant as possible way….. I’m not sure many people in this forum understand the vastness of space…. Nor do the really get what would happen to a “ship” that hit a pebble at .05 the speed of light. I’m not sure people really get the vastness of a measure called “time” Space is really really big people. no one will read what I just typed and get it. Did the tree fall in the forest if noone heard it? I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but in case you're not, that's as arrogant as it gets. The nasa solar probe recently reached .05 the speed of light and is doing fine. "time" goes slower the faster the object is moving relative to earth. And, I saw the tree fall. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saywhat Posted August 29, 2021 #14 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, saywhat said: I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but in case you're not, that's as arrogant as it gets. The nasa solar probe recently reached .05 the speed of light and is doing fine. "time" goes slower the faster the object is moving relative to earth. And, I saw the tree fall. Crap.... I get it now.... gonna hide in the corner now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 29, 2021 #15 Share Posted August 29, 2021 11 hours ago, jolko said: If I understand this right, what he is saying is, if humans haven't invented the ability to travel the stars then nothing else in the universe could do it, we have to visit them show them how the universe works, A bit arrogant, Or have I just got it wrong? You've got it wrong. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted August 29, 2021 #16 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Nobu said: I say this in a non arrogant as possible way….. I’m not sure many people in this forum understand the vastness of space…. Nor do the really get what would happen to a “ship” that hit a pebble at .05 the speed of light. I’m not sure people really get the vastness of a measure called “time” Space is really really big people. no one will read what I just typed and get it. Did the tree fall in the forest if noone heard it? You're probably right. YOU ARE the ONLY one that understands The Universe is big. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethrofloyd Posted August 29, 2021 #17 Share Posted August 29, 2021 11 hours ago, Jon the frog said: And they will never meet intelligent humans, because, not sure they exist, lol ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 29, 2021 #18 Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 hours ago, Jon the frog said: No he need an event horizon ! As long as they remember the Geller Field this time. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gellar_field 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted August 29, 2021 #19 Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: As long as they remember the Geller Field this time. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gellar_field There is only the Emperor, and he is our Shield and Protector. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted August 29, 2021 #20 Share Posted August 29, 2021 10 hours ago, Vox said: Unfazed by time, these machines will do all the exploring for us - in fact, I�d hazard to believe that other races will actively do the same or will have gone through a phase of their development where they did the same. That has always seemed reasonable to me, whether it is a metallic AI construct in what we think of as a conventional space craft or a virus based memory stored on cometary fragments, we are not so far from being capable of that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted August 29, 2021 #21 Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 hours ago, DreadLordAvatar said: It’s possible aliens are here right now and we simply can’t see them. Looks like I picked the wrong week... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted August 29, 2021 #22 Share Posted August 29, 2021 5 hours ago, Jon the frog said: There is only the Emperor, and he is our Shield and Protector. But Geller Fields and metre thick plates of ceremite help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobu Posted August 30, 2021 #23 Share Posted August 30, 2021 19 hours ago, saywhat said: I'm not sure if you're joking or not, but in case you're not, that's as arrogant as it gets. The nasa solar probe recently reached .05 the speed of light and is doing fine. "time" goes slower the faster the object is moving relative to earth. And, I saw the tree fall. Now send that probe more miles than you understand. like I said. Waste of time 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted August 30, 2021 #24 Share Posted August 30, 2021 On 8/29/2021 at 10:21 AM, Socio said: Better question is why would they want too? If they were to look at the earth today they would see a civilization where several factions are fighting to control the entire globe, and enslave it's population in one form or another. A population where at least 75% of it is just a stones throw from the stone age, in a world where the lowest common denominator is elevated above all others and whom are breeding it into extinction. We are far to ignorant, barbaric, and primitive to warrant any interest from a civilization advanced enough to travel here, and the direction we are headed and how we keep repeating history we are never getting off this rock, we are destined to keep running in a circle. They aren't going to know that untill they get a lot closer. It's not just about travel between point A and point B. Finding had to happen first. Imagine you take an ocen cruise. At some point, you balance a screw near the edge of the boat to fall of randomly at some point. Then walk away. At the end of the trip the screw is gone. It's in the ocean somewhere. What we are doing now is like trying to find that lost screw. We have to do that before we can retrieve it. We are still searching. Then comes the problem of travel. Which most likely would be with communications to begin with. It's the most sensible form of space travel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saywhat Posted August 30, 2021 #25 Share Posted August 30, 2021 47 minutes ago, Nobu said: Now send that probe more miles than you understand. like I said. Waste of time So you were serious. You should look up the word arrogant, I'm not sure you fully understand the meaning. I'm well aware of the known size of the visible universe, I'm not sure you understand that it doesn't revolve around you. You can also look up narcissist as well, arrogance should pop up a few times for reference. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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