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Alex Jones appears to take ivermectin during a bizarre COVID-19 rant

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Manwon Lender

Alex Jones appears to take ivermectin during a bizarre COVID-19 rant in which he defended Joe Rogan

Far-right radio show host Alex Jones went on an impassioned tirade during an episode of his show Infowars on Friday, during which he appeared to take two pills of ivermectin, an antiparasitic drug that some are using to treat COVID-19 despite a lack of evidence showing its effectiveness against the disease. In a video of the rant, which is sporadic and at times hard to follow, Jones presents two boxes of ivermectin and appears to take two of the tablets while railing against Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, and billionaire Bill Gates, calling them "murderers. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/medical/alex-jones-appears-to-take-ivermectin-during-a-bizarre-covid-19-rant-in-which-he-defended-joe-rogan-and-called-fauci-a-murderer/ar-AAO6HSO

Poison Control Centers Are Fielding A Surge Of Ivermectin Overdose Calls 

Poison control centers are seeing a dramatic surge in calls from people who are self-medicating with ivermectin, an anti-parasite drug for animals that some falsely claim treats COVID-19. According to the National Poison Data System (NPDS), which collects information from the nation's 55 poison control centers, there was a 245% jump in reported exposure cases from July to August — from 133 to 459. Meanwhile, emergency rooms across the country are treating more patients who have taken the drug, after being persuaded by false and misleading information spread on the internet, by talk show hosts and by political leaders. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/04/1034217306/ivermectin-overdose-exposure-cases-poison-control-centers

 

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South Alabam

Truly the disinformation age.

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Manwon Lender
6 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

Truly the disinformation age.

It certainly is and while that's very sad, something good may come out of it. Hopefully Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Republican Representatives, Quack Doctors and anyone else pushing these unproven medicinal treatments are prosecuted. Their actions are as irresponsible as it gets, and while people are making their own choices to use these unproven cures it is all cause by people like the idiots I named above. I can see some new legislation coming along that will make their actions illegal if they are already not illegal.

I mean just like in the story in the OP these people are basicly prescribing medication and they are not Doctors. There are forms of this medication on the market, one for humans and one for animals, and most of the people that are self medicating are receiving the medication for animals. Because the type for humans is a prescription only drug, and I don't know of any responsible Doctors prescribing this medication for Covid 19. Last, when those idiots push those medications which they are not qualified to do, they are not giving people the necessary information to take it safely that's why people are overdosing and showing up in emergency rooms sick from taking it, this is really some very sad behaviour. :angry:

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third_eye

It is now touted as a 'cure' for covid... 

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3 days ago — Joe Rogan has Covid and used 'unsafe' horse de-wormer drug ivermectin in treatment · The host said he tested positive over the weekend after a ...
 
3 days ago — Podcast host Joe Rogan — who dismissed Covid-19 vaccines earlier this year — tested positive for the coronavirus and is treating...

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1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

It certainly is and while that's very sad, something good may come out of it. Hopefully Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Republican Representatives, Quack Doctors and anyone else pushing these unproven medicinal treatments are prosecuted. Their actions are as irresponsible as it gets, and while people are making their own choices to use these unproven cures it is all cause by people like the idiots I named above. I can see some new legislation coming along that will make their actions illegal if they are already not illegal.

I mean just like in the story in the OP these people are basicly prescribing medication and they are not Doctors. There are forms of this medication on the market, one for humans and one for animals, and most of the people that are self medicating are receiving the medication for animals. Because the type for humans is a prescription only drug, and I don't know of any responsible Doctors prescribing this medication for Covid 19. Last, when those idiots push those medications which they are not qualified to do, they are not giving people the necessary information to take it safely that's why people are overdosing and showing up in emergency rooms sick from taking it, this is really some very sad behaviour. :angry:

Peace

 

Of course there is another side to this.

Unfortunately such people are also harming what could potentially form part of valid clinical treatments being pioneered for those unfortunate enough to contract covid, for which there is no treatment at all at the moment. Or for those for whom vaccination is contra indicated and for breakthrough infections as a support to mass vaccination. These highly qualified and highly published medical specialists are somehow being lumped in with the "anti vaxers" and those who self administer "horse paste" treatments.

This drug does have anti viral properties which has been demonstrated and studied both in vitro and in vivo.

 

 

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Manwon Lender
34 minutes ago, third_eye said:

It is now touted as a 'cure' for covid... 

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These idiots should be held legally responsible for the people who are overdosing and for those who may have died. As sure as lighting is electricity, these people's misinformation are putting people's lives as risk. While, I realize that anyone who does listen to them are not thinking clearly and obviously having mental issues most likely do to this Pandemic, their reactions are mostly do to fear. But the these idiot talk radio hosts are actively causing the confusion that make people's fear grow. Along with Republican Representatives of the US Government who are also pushing these false claims intentionally for their political agendas. 

You know what Buddha would say, Karma will reward them with hell to pay!

Peace my Friend!:tu:

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Manwon Lender
25 minutes ago, Horta said:

Of course there is another side to this.

Unfortunately such people are also harming what could potentially form part of valid clinical treatments being pioneered for those unfortunate enough to contract covid, for which there is no treatment at all at the moment. Or for those for whom vaccination is contra indicated and for breakthrough infections as a support to mass vaccination. These highly qualified and highly published medical specialists are somehow being lumped in with the "anti vaxers" and those who self administer "horse paste" treatments.

This drug does have anti viral properties which has been demonstrated and studied both in vitro and in vivo.

 

 

But these frigen Radio Talk Shiw hosts are not qualified in any manner to tell people its ok to try the medications being discussed. They are not doctors and because of their lack of medical training they should legally be held responsible for anyone who overdoses or dies from the misinformation these individuals are spreading on the radio and in online videos. I agree they are harming legitimate studies on these medications and they are also causing the Government and Medical Professionals to be more resistant to ever allowing these medications to be used. 

However, I disagree with your comments concerning your statement that there is no treatment for breakthrough infections and those already infected with Covid 19. Currently Monoclonal antibodies according to John Hopkins School of Medicne have a ver high success rate as a medical therapy. They are very effective in most cases if they are started in the early stages of the visible infection and symptoms. It can be administered through an intravenous infusion, or a subcutaneous injection, which is less time-consuming and labor-intensive, and more practical in an outbreak situation. In addition there other therapies still in use across the U.S., like Regeneron's antibody cocktail, which has proven to hold up against the variants of concern, including delta.

So there are available treatments, and i didn't list them all but over all I agree with you.

Take Care. 

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Horta
13 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

 

However, I disagree with your comments concerning your statement that there is no treatment for breakthrough infections and those already infected with Covid 19. Currently Monoclonal antibodies according to John Hopkins School of Medicne have a ver high success rate as a medical therapy. They are very effective in most cases if they are started in the early stages of the visible infection and symptoms. It can be administered through an intravenous infusion, or a subcutaneous injection, which is less time-consuming and labor-intensive, and more practical in an outbreak situation. In addition there other therapies still in use across the U.S., like Regeneron's antibody cocktail, which has proven to hold up against the variants of concern, including delta.

So there are available treatments, and i didn't list them all but over all I agree with you.

Take Care. 

Fair enough. I know the doctors who use Ivermectin as part of their treatments also pioneered corticosteroid use for covid induced pneumonia, that initially had great resistance but has now become accepted even by the WHO.

What I meant was that there are no generally/universally accepted early treatments. Certainly not by the WHO, though it wouldn't surprise what the FDA might approve after Remdesivir. The treatments you mention might well be valuable though, as might the clinical treatments that include Ivermectin.

 

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Manwon Lender
1 minute ago, Horta said:

Fair enough. I know the doctors who use Ivermectin as part of their treatments also pioneered corticosteroid use for covid induced pneumonia, that initially had great resistance but has now become accepted even by the WHO.

What I meant was that there are no generally/universally accepted early treatments. Certainly not by the WHO, though it wouldn't surprise what the FDA might approve after Remdesivir. The treatments you mention might well be valuable though, as might the clinical treatments that include Ivermectin.

 

I am for any treatment that is monitored by Doctors and Healthcare Professionals The only thing I am against are unqualified politicians, Radio personalities, and any other unqualified induvuals promoting and using misinformation in order to promote medications and treatments they know nothing about and are not even qualified to speak about. Doing this in the manner they are doing it is dangerous and very unethical, In addition weaponizing this Pandemic for political purposes is criminal and irresponsible by any measure of the word!

Peace my friend.  

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third_eye
2 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

You know what Buddha would say, Karma will reward them with hell to pay!

Buddha has no time for this kind of nonsense... 

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27 Aug 2021 — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention yesterday alerted health care providers and the public to reports of severe illness ...
 
 
 
 
 
4 days ago — Health departments are warning of spikes in ivermectin poisoning and ... especially in Latin America, as “the medical community took the ...
 
 
 
 
 
27 Aug 2021 — Feed stores in low-vaccine states are selling out of livestock de-wormer Ivermectin.

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Manwon Lender
1 minute ago, third_eye said:

Buddha has no time for this kind of nonsense... 

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No but Karma certainly does, and what goes around always comes home to the sender good or bad!:tu:

Namaste my friend!:tu:

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3 hours ago, Horta said:

This drug does have anti viral properties which has been demonstrated and studied both in vitro and in vivo.

It has been shown to be an effective therapeutic and more studies are being structured and undertaken all the time.  It's an adventure in dark humor to see puffed up little Popinjays chiding other people for using this medication while they assume their sources are perfect and since "everyone knows" humans poison themselves with these "horse drugs", those who use them are mentally substandard or a member of some cult.  Apparently, those solidly trustworthy sources they swear by, conveniently overlook the fact that there has been a formulation for Ivermectin available, specifically for human use, for years and it has been used effectively as an antiparasitic. 

Sadly, the reality today is that everything is politicized and millions of people on "team vaccine salvation" are not only woefully ignorant of potential therapeutic aids for this virus, they quite willingly reject any off-label use of such drugs for no other reason than that their media sources have handed down the truth, carved into stone tablets at the hands of Saint Anthony di Fauci.  It really is pathetic and genuinely tragic for some people.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8203399/

FWIW, my wife is a Pathologist and approves of the "off label" use of Ivermectin as a therapeutic.  She has also investigated potential sources for this medication so that if she or I contract Covid, we will have options we would certainly be denied by most MDs who have "privileges" at various hospitals in our community.  She's aware that it doesn't work for everyone as effectively as it will for some patients.  That's just how these FDA approved medications are being experimented with "off-label" to try to find a drug or a combination of drugs to use therapeutically rather than follow the typical advice from many MDs around the nation today.  If you are symptomatic and suspect you have contracted Sars-Cov-2 and go to a hospital, you'll be tested, get a basic physical examination, a limited diagnostic work-up and you then get sent home.  They tell you to come back if you get into a respiratory crisis.  THAT IS INSANE.

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Gromdor

Like I said before- If those people who keep calling others "sheep" would stop taking livestock medication, that would be great.

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Will miracles never cease... 

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23 Apr 2021 — Miami, Florida -- A federal grand jury in Miami has returned an indictment charging a Florida man -- Mark Grenon, 62 -- and his three sons -- ...
 
Special Counsel to the U.S. Attorney: www.justice.gov/usao-sdfl
 
25 Apr 2021 — The potentially deadly chlorine dioxide solution, marketed as "Miracle Mineral Solution," is typically used for industrial water...

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OpenMindedSceptic

61 studies done on how Ivernectin departed the Delta virus across 2 states in India involving a combined data sample of 20,000+ people with a 96% reduction  in deaths.

Interestingly the language around Ivermcetin by the WHO is not enough data and / or uncertain outcomes.

What it doesn't say is that it is dangerous.  Only in the media does it say it is dangerous.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Horta said:

Of course there is another side to this.

Unfortunately such people are also harming what could potentially form part of valid clinical treatments being pioneered for those unfortunate enough to contract covid, for which there is no treatment at all at the moment. Or for those for whom vaccination is contra indicated and for breakthrough infections as a support to mass vaccination. These highly qualified and highly published medical specialists are somehow being lumped in with the "anti vaxers" and those who self administer "horse paste" treatments.

This drug does have anti viral properties which has been demonstrated and studied both in vitro and in vivo.

 

 

There is treatment. Monoclonal antibodies and an antiviral called remdesivir.

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GlitterRose
8 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said:

61 studies done on how Ivernectin departed the Delta virus across 2 states in India involving a combined data sample of 20,000+ people with a 96% reduction  in deaths.

Interestingly the language around Ivermcetin by the WHO is not enough data and / or uncertain outcomes.

What it doesn't say is that it is dangerous.  Only in the media does it say it is dangerous.

 

 

The FDA says it's dangerous.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19#:~:text=You can also overdose on,seizures%2C coma and even death.

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GlitterRose
6 hours ago, Horta said:

Fair enough. I know the doctors who use Ivermectin as part of their treatments also pioneered corticosteroid use for covid induced pneumonia, that initially had great resistance but has now become accepted even by the WHO.

What I meant was that there are no generally/universally accepted early treatments. Certainly not by the WHO, though it wouldn't surprise what the FDA might approve after Remdesivir. The treatments you mention might well be valuable though, as might the clinical treatments that include Ivermectin.

 

Except that there are. Look at what Trump was given. 

I'll give you a hint...it wasn't HCQ or horse wormer. 

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GlitterRose

Ya know...I realize that Alex Jones is leading people astray and it may cause them to do harm to themselves.

But if he somehow Darwined himself out of existence...I wouldn't cry over it.

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Autochthon1990

Well I always suspected he was basically overweight livestock...

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Horta
Just now, GlitterRose said:

There is treatment. Monoclonal antibodies and an antiviral called remdesivir.

Yes, there are lots of treatments.

It's very doubtful that Remdesivir ever helped anyone at all. It was approved for use by the FDA for hospitalised patients with severe covid (to no effect). Which might indicate something about the relationship of drug companies and the FDA.

Monoclonal antibodies certainly weren't approved when Trump used them. The FDA gave an EUA for use with covid patients considered to be at high risk for developing severe covid. The WHO also now recommends certain of these treatments along with corticosteriods (pneumonia) in severe covid

The approved treatments for symptomatic covid amounts to sending people away to get better or until they are suffering severe covid and need an ICU.

 

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GlitterRose
7 minutes ago, Horta said:

Yes, there are lots of treatments.

It's very doubtful that Remdesivir ever helped anyone at all. It was approved for use by the FDA for hospitalised patients with severe covid (to no effect). Which might indicate something about the relationship of drug companies and the FDA.

Monoclonal antibodies certainly weren't approved when Trump used them. The FDA gave an EUA for use with covid patients considered to be at high risk for developing severe covid. The WHO also now recommends certain of these treatments along with corticosteriods (pneumonia) in severe covid

The approved treatments for symptomatic covid amounts to sending people away to get better or until they are suffering severe covid and need an ICU.

 

They were approved a month later and have been available since.

Not true about Remdesivir.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34048669/

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Horta

This is from the WHO.

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** NEW ** strong recommendation to use IL-6 receptor blockers (tocilizumab or sarilumab) in patients with severe or critical COVID-19 (published 6 July 2021); 

 

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"Other COVID-19 therapeutics that are currently under consideration by WHO include colchicine, monoclonal antibodies and anticoagulants."

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-therapeutics-2021.2

 

44 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

Except that there are. Look at what Trump was given. 

I'll give you a hint...it wasn't HCQ or horse wormer

That is quite ignorant. Ivermectin is one of the most widely prescribed drugs for humans in the world. With one of the best safety records (when administered properly). It basically doesn't have any side effects.

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GlitterRose
2 minutes ago, Horta said:

This is from the WHO.

 

https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-2019-nCoV-therapeutics-2021.2

 

That is quite ignorant. Ivermectin is one of the most widely prescribed drugs for humans in the world. With one of the best safety records (when administered properly). It basically doesn't have any side effects.

FDA says people are going into comas and having seizures because they're taking large doses trying to use it for COVID.

It's not proven effective for COVID. It is for parasites and not an antiviral.

I'd say it's pretty ignorant to promote it, but then I don't have to resort to name-calling like you.

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Horta
6 minutes ago, GlitterRose said:

They were approved a month later and have been available since.

Not true about Remdesivir.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34048669/

The main study for Remdesivir was changed midway through and to claim it had a benefit would be very charitable. Anyway theWHO looked at them and (rightly) found them unconvincing, and decided on the the following...

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conditional recommendation against remdesivir in hospitalized patients with COVID-19 (published 20 November 2020); 

 

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