WVK Posted September 5, 2021 #1 Share Posted September 5, 2021 How did Pre- and Early Dynastic Egyptians hollow out vases from solid lumps of hard diorite and syenite rock? How did they create the tubular drill holes? How did the Dynastic Egyptians cut huge granite obelisks and intricate statues, and how did the Saite Period Egyptians cut, shape and polish their granite creations? These are questions that have long been debated and whilst the convention answers are metal tools, combined with water and sand, this isn't accepted by many. The Ancient Pre-Inca Peruvian stone walls have also been the subject of much speculation and whilst the experts say that rubbing them against one another will cause them to mold together, some of the stones are so intricate that this seems unlikely. They also have a find-grained, vitreous outer surface in places as well, as well as a finer grain size at the joints. A few months ago I did a video looking at the work of Helmut Tributsch, who wrote a paper claiming that acid, a by-product of Inca mines, was what was used to soften stone. In this video, I look at the work of Lia Mangolini and her idea that Hydrofluoric Acid, obtained from certain plants would have been farmed and used to soften, melt and mold stone. You can read her article from the Ancient Origins website at https://www.ancient-origins.net/histo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted September 5, 2021 #2 Share Posted September 5, 2021 I mean, the idea works once you brutally dismember Ockham’s razor… —Jaylemurph 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Swede Posted September 6, 2021 Popular Post #3 Share Posted September 6, 2021 53 minutes ago, WVK said: How did ... Did Ancient People Use Acid to Shape Stone? No. There is no credible archaeological or lithic technology research that would support this fantasy. In contrast, there is rather extensive cultural and lithic technology research that contradicts said fantasy. This basic topic has been dealt with innumerable times on these pages. Do attempt to do a bit of topic-related research. . 11 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HandsomeGorilla Posted September 6, 2021 #4 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I'm sure they knew of or at least understood base components of LSD, if nothing but a basic chemical structure oh, THAT acid... nvm... 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl.Of.Trumps Posted September 6, 2021 #5 Share Posted September 6, 2021 The narrator claims that acid can make the rock malleable like playdough. What, no demonstration?? Please. 4 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 6, 2021 Author #6 Share Posted September 6, 2021 51 minutes ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: The narrator claims that acid can make the rock malleable like playdough. What, no demonstration?? Please. More speculation: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted September 6, 2021 #7 Share Posted September 6, 2021 32 minutes ago, WVK said: More speculation: Can you point to when the 'acid' method was lost and when they started using 'regular', (abrasives, bashing, pecking, etc.) and what evidence supports this change in technology? 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted September 6, 2021 #8 Share Posted September 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: The narrator claims that acid can make the rock malleable like playdough. What, no demonstration?? Please. I wonder if it is malleable why stone chips are always found at quarries and building sites and how are unfinished - abandoned stones - left showing use of regular methods on them? 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted September 6, 2021 #9 Share Posted September 6, 2021 If the acid makes the rock pliable, how did they manipulate the acid affected rock without burning themselves? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted September 6, 2021 #10 Share Posted September 6, 2021 And how did they neutralize the acid afterward? Now, it IS possible to soften and etch away limestone with vinegar. I've done it. But it takes a heck of a lot longer than drilling and scraping. A HECK of a lot longer. Like... days versus hours. 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DingoLingo Posted September 6, 2021 #11 Share Posted September 6, 2021 7 hours ago, WVK said: How did Pre- and Early Dynastic Egyptians hollow out vases from solid lumps of hard diorite and syenite rock? How did they create the tubular drill holes? How did the Dynastic Egyptians cut huge granite obelisks and intricate statues, and how did the Saite Period Egyptians cut, shape and polish their granite creations? These are questions that have long been debated and whilst the convention answers are metal tools, combined with water and sand, this isn't accepted by many. The Ancient Pre-Inca Peruvian stone walls have also been the subject of much speculation and whilst the experts say that rubbing them against one another will cause them to mold together, some of the stones are so intricate that this seems unlikely. They also have a find-grained, vitreous outer surface in places as well, as well as a finer grain size at the joints. A few months ago I did a video looking at the work of Helmut Tributsch, who wrote a paper claiming that acid, a by-product of Inca mines, was what was used to soften stone. In this video, I look at the work of Lia Mangolini and her idea that Hydrofluoric Acid, obtained from certain plants would have been farmed and used to soften, melt and mold stone. You can read her article from the Ancient Origins website at https://www.ancient-origins.net/histo. Zoser.. Is that you? 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted September 6, 2021 #12 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 hours ago, HandsomeGorilla said: I'm sure they knew of or at least understood base components of LSD, if nothing but a basic chemical structure oh, THAT acid... nvm... I think you just stumbled on the inspiration for all of those paintings, statuers, and carvings of zoomorphic gods. "Up the Nile man! Check out that awesome dude over there with the head of a jackal. Way cool. He must be a god or something weird." "Uh oh, he's looking at us, he's looking at us! . Damn dude, he has glowing red eyes". "Just act normal Ptenisnet ,calm down and keep walking." "When we come down I'm gonna carve a statue of him for sure dude, if I remember." 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnicolette Posted September 6, 2021 #13 Share Posted September 6, 2021 5 hours ago, WVK said: More speculation: I thought this was the result of fire...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiXilver Posted September 6, 2021 #14 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I can only imagine how much dumb they packed into that video. Imagine because knowing the premise, there's no f'ing way I'm wasting any of my life watching it. I feel like I need a shower after just giving it this much attention. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted September 6, 2021 #15 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Tatetopa said: "Just act normal Ptenisnet ,calm down and keep walking." Oh the tales they were Sold... and saw Quote https://www.amazon.com › Ancient-... Ancient Egypt on 5 Deben a Day (Traveling on 5) - Amazon.com Ancient Egypt on 5 Deben a Day (Traveling on 5) Paperback – November 1, 2010 · Foreigners might be bewildered by animal-headed deities and what ... https://www.goodreads.com › show Ancient Egypt on 5 Deben a Day by Donald P. Ryan - Goodreads Well, look no further than Donald P. Ryan's Ancient Egypt on Five Deben A Day! A must-have guide to affordable travel in Pharaonic... ~ 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted September 6, 2021 #16 Share Posted September 6, 2021 10 hours ago, WVK said: These are questions that have long been debated and whilst the convention answers are metal tools, combined with water and sand, this isn't accepted by many. Yeah. It pretty much is. Especially by those in the relevant fields. You know what really isn't accepted or even entertained by many? That anybody melted rocks with acid and shaped them and then they turned back into solid rock. 10 hours ago, WVK said: In this video, I look at the work of Lia Mangolini and her idea that Hydrofluoric Acid, obtained from certain plants would have been farmed and used to soften, melt and mold stone. Is there an actual demonstration of this technique used to make comparable structures? 4 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted September 6, 2021 #17 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I'm getting flashbacks of Zoser... 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted September 6, 2021 #18 Share Posted September 6, 2021 38 minutes ago, Abramelin said: I'm getting flashbacks of Zoser... No, but the OP started a thread on the same subject when he first joined and was trounced by Hans and Swede. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethrofloyd Posted September 6, 2021 #19 Share Posted September 6, 2021 I'm sure Mick Jagger and Keith Richards use acid to shape the Rolling Stones. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 6, 2021 Author #20 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, jethrofloyd said: I'm sure Mick Jagger and Keith Richards use acid to shape the Rolling Stones. Not acid, moss. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 6, 2021 Author #21 Share Posted September 6, 2021 14 hours ago, Earl.Of.Trumps said: The narrator claims that acid can make the rock malleable like playdough. What, no demonstration?? Please. Test have been done with surprising results 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted September 6, 2021 #22 Share Posted September 6, 2021 17 hours ago, WVK said: How did Pre- and Early Dynastic Egyptians hollow out vases from solid lumps of hard diorite and syenite rock? How did they create the tubular drill holes? If you really wondered about this, you would have already read this book. Experiments in Egyptian Archaeology - Denys Stocks Not to mention you would have already viewed the literally SCORES of videos on Youtube showing people doing exactly this. 17 hours ago, WVK said: In this video, I look at the work of Lia Mangolini and her idea that Hydrofluoric Acid, obtained from certain plants would have been farmed and used to soften, melt and mold stone. You can read her article from the Ancient Origins website at https://www.ancient-origins.net/histo. If you use any acid on any stone, you will never "mold" the result into anything. Limestone and other sedimentary stone (including metamorphic versions of the same) would dissolve away. Any igneous stone you applied acid to (assuming it was strong enough to do anything at all to the stone) would result in a pile of etched crystals, not "softened" stone amenable to "molding." Harte 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted September 6, 2021 #23 Share Posted September 6, 2021 43 minutes ago, WVK said: Test have been done with surprising results Results so surprising that no one can repeat them. Harte 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted September 6, 2021 Author #24 Share Posted September 6, 2021 38 minutes ago, Harte said: Results so surprising that no one can repeat them. Harte If you were to look at the video you will find the he agrees with established opinion,, not molded 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted September 6, 2021 #25 Share Posted September 6, 2021 18 hours ago, WVK said: How did Pre- and Early Dynastic Egyptians hollow out vases from solid lumps of hard diorite and syenite rock? How did they create the tubular drill holes? How did the Dynastic Egyptians cut huge granite obelisks and intricate statues, and how did the Saite Period Egyptians cut, shape and polish their granite creations? These are questions that have long been debated and whilst the convention answers are metal tools, combined with water and sand, this isn't accepted by many. The Ancient Pre-Inca Peruvian stone walls have also been the subject of much speculation and whilst the experts say that rubbing them against one another will cause them to mold together, some of the stones are so intricate that this seems unlikely. They also have a find-grained, vitreous outer surface in places as well, as well as a finer grain size at the joints. A few months ago I did a video looking at the work of Helmut Tributsch, who wrote a paper claiming that acid, a by-product of Inca mines, was what was used to soften stone. In this video, I look at the work of Lia Mangolini and her idea that Hydrofluoric Acid, obtained from certain plants would have been farmed and used to soften, melt and mold stone. You can read her article from the Ancient Origins website at https://www.ancient-origins.net/histo. A couple of names that will help you: Colonel Percy Fawcett; Hiram Bingham; Davidovits; Zoser; Abramelin; Some Peruvian bird. And most of all: some common plant you can buy in any flowershop, a plant no one was able to identify. A plant with red, fleshy leaves, and about a foot high, growing next to a Bolivian river called Pirené or something. It eroded the metal on some cowboys boots when he was walking through a field covered with these plants. Good luck. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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