Weird conspiracy claims the Internet is 'fake'

[UM-Bot]

A growing number of people seem to believe that the 'real' Internet went offline several years ago.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/350413/weird-conspiracy-claims-the-internet-is-fake

[+OverSword]

Well, the internet in general is certainly more boring than it used to be.  

[jethrofloyd]

[Helen of Annoy]

18 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Well, the internet in general is certainly more boring than it used to be.  

Back then when it had ASCII drawings instead of photos and you'd tingle with excitement while listening to the dial-up sound. 

Nah, it's just you being old. 

[zep73]

Not very reliable, coming from a bot on the fake internet!!

[+OverSword]

5 minutes ago, zep73 said:

Not very reliable, coming from a bot on the fake internet!!

I always had my suspicions about you.

[zep73]

24 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I always had my suspicions about you.

I couldn't resist. It's not very often you get to make an oxymoronic joke 

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, zep73 said:

I couldn't resist. It's not very often you get to make an oxymoronic joke 

I wish I could think of one for a comeback.  I really tried 

[bison]

I'm surprised that The Atlantic would even bother to mention such silliness. Par for the course, I guess, in a world where people will take horse medicine, toxic to humans, and ineffective against Covid, rather than get a rigorously tested, and now fully approved Covid 19 vaccination. And where an entire state makes up a law involving fetal heartbeat, six weeks into gestation, when a six-week old embryo has neither a heart, nor heart valves, the sound of which, opening and closing, is what causes the sound we know as a heartbeat.  

[+OverSword]

25 minutes ago, bison said:

I'm surprised that The Atlantic would even bother to mention such silliness. Par for the course, I guess, in a world where people will take horse medicine, toxic to humans, and ineffective against Covid, rather than get a rigorously tested, and now fully approved Covid 19 vaccination. And where an entire state makes up a law involving fetal heartbeat, six weeks into gestation, when a six-week old embryo has neither a heart, nor heart valves, the sound of which, opening and closing, is what causes the sound we know as a heartbeat.  

You get that all out?   Are you a bot on the fake internet?  How do you know?  How can you prove it to us?  Or are you a perfect person that believes all the right things?  Seems pretty sus. 

Edited September 7, 2021 by OverSword

[Trihalo42]

1 hour ago, bison said:

I'm surprised that The Atlantic would even bother to mention such silliness. Par for the course, I guess, in a world where people will take horse medicine, toxic to humans, and ineffective against Covid, rather than get a rigorously tested, and now fully approved Covid 19 vaccination. And where an entire state makes up a law involving fetal heartbeat, six weeks into gestation, when a six-week old embryo has neither a heart, nor heart valves, the sound of which, opening and closing, is what causes the sound we know as a heartbeat.  

That is a PERFECT example! Bots will scan news headlines and extract blocks of data to repeat, adding in some sort of topic related dialog. Inspirobot uses this kind of word selection to create "inspirational quotes" such as "seek success but prepare for vegetables". The generated quote starts off with a common topic "success" and adds in vocabulary that can contain a negative tag, which for some people is eating vegetables. Music selection by some websites uses a system of trying to identify common tags in user selected music, from genre to tempo, and draw from that. Likewise chat-bots look at the subject and draw from a programmed selection of headline scanned information. The bot can be set to follow a certain pattern, such as promoting a product or service, or even a political agenda.

Let's break down your comment. You start off with common dialog seen in many posts, and then mention "horse medicine". There have been recent headlines about ivermectin, including one article by Rolling Stone where there was a claim that even gunshot victims could not get timely treatment at one hospital because it was flooded with ivermectin overdose patients. You might be interested to know that Rolling Stone posted a retraction after the hospital in question, NHS Sequoyah, publicly stated that "NHS Sequoyah has not treated any patients due to complications related to taking ivermectin. This includes not treating any patients for ivermectin overdose.". They also clarified that, "All patients who have visited our emergency room have received medical attention as appropriate. Out hospital has not had to turn away any patients seeking emergency care." Claiming that the hospital was overloaded amounts to slander/libel, which can result in a lawsuit against the guilty party for potentially affecting that person or organizations finances. So white your bot-like created headline draws from old information, it missed the retraction and updated information. It also ignores the fact ivermectin is prescribed to humans and has won a Nobel Prize. PubMed, the medical database maintained by the NIH, notes ivermectin's anti-viral properties, and that there have been mixed results in using it to treat covid19. And MSM, as far as I have seen, has not reported that CDC policy created years ago has resulted in ivermectin being given to Afghanis being brought over to treat any parasites, so your bot-like headline gathering would have missed that too. Both the claim of its toxicity and claim of absolute ineffectiveness are false and can only be the result of drawing information from selective headlines on left-leaning news sites, while ignoring official resources such as PubMed.

And then you make a statement about fetal heartbeat. The "fact check" sites, as well as most left-leaning news sites launched into an argument about semantics and heart valve formation, whereas official sources repeat that the area where the heart will develop can being to "flutter" at 3 weeks. I could easily use the same tactic to say that, since the human brain does not fully develop until the mid-twenties, with the prefrontal cortex being the last thing to fully develop, that anyone under the age of 25 doesn't have a brain. Again the bot-like comment draws from select sites and ignores long standing organizations who have answered the question of "how soon can I hear my baby's heartbeat" by saying 3+ weeks.

This sort of behavior in comments sections is clear indication of the presence of chat bots. This is not to imply that you are definitely a chat bot, but rather that the nature of your comment reflects one. This behavior is also one of the reasons for the creation of the "NPC" meme, which the left has branded "hate speech" because it de-humanizes the individual. Thing is, chat bots aren't human in the first place. Whether people who behave like chat bots can be considered human is a matter of semantics.

While I do not agree that the internet has been taken over by AI, there is an aggressive attempt to fill comment sections with AI promoting certain ideals, and that could easily develop into AI generated web sites, ultimately leading to the entire internet being filled with AI generated content. And it all starts with AI repeating headlines and adding seemingly random comments about vegetables.

['Walt' E. Kurtz]

Last year I heard Trump say "it's all gonna be great when the Internet gets invented. It's gonna be great when it arrive."

Edited September 7, 2021 by 'Walt' E. Kurtz

[Dejarma]

4 hours ago, OverSword said:

Well, the internet in general is certainly more boring than it used to be.  

i don't understand what you mean by that... more boring in what way? do you have an example ?

[+OverSword]

4 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

i don't understand what you mean by that... more boring in what way? do you have an example ?

Less of the new more of the same.   There used to be dozens of sites I used to visit regularly, now.....It feels like there are less options for originality.  As Helen pointed out that's probably just me getting old.

[Dejarma]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Less of the new more of the same.   There used to be dozens of sites I used to visit regularly, now.....It feels like there are less options for originality.  As Helen pointed out that's probably just me getting old.

are you talking particular subjects here? what kinda sites are you referring to? 

[+OverSword]

13 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

are you talking particular subjects here? what kinda sites are you referring to? 

Years ago you could get on someone's website for anything from original music, to art, to conspiracy theories to, you name it.  From that page you would find links to their "friends' website.  That's how I found UM and UM also used to have links to similar sites (if I remember correctly) but no more.  Years ago you could follow rabbit holes for hours and I don't feel that vibe anymore.  The internet is comparably boring to me now.  It's more useful for watching movies without a physical player or a disc, or shopping for shoes than it is for intellectual fun.  Maybe the internet is now not only fake, but also dead. 

Edited September 7, 2021 by OverSword

[Obviousman]

6 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Less of the new more of the same.   There used to be dozens of sites I used to visit regularly, now.....It feels like there are less options for originality.  As Helen pointed out that's probably just me getting old.

I'd disagree, believing in fact the opposite. There are now far too many sites to try and visit, and there are quality sites out there with content of interest to some people. I mean, how many people other than me would find this site fascinating:

http://www.tatjavanvark.nl/tvve/dduck0.html

 

[+OverSword]

3 minutes ago, Obviousman said:

I'd disagree, believing in fact the opposite. There are now far too many sites to try and visit, and there are quality sites out there with content of interest to some people. I mean, how many people other than me would find this site fascinating:

http://www.tatjavanvark.nl/tvve/dduck0.html

 

Is it updated often?  Looks like it was updated at least five years ago.

Edited September 7, 2021 by OverSword

[Electric Scooter]

6 hours ago, UM-Bot said:

A growing number of people seem to believe that the 'real' Internet went offline several years ago.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/350413/weird-conspiracy-claims-the-internet-is-fake

Partially its true, we all know browsers are using AI and analytics to determine what to show us, and what to hide from us.

So in a sense the real internet has been lost, and replaced by an restricted and selective internet which AIs and analytics determine for us.

[Dejarma]

18 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Years ago you could get on someone's website for anything from original music, to art, to conspiracy theories to, you name it.  From that page you would find links to their "friends' website.  That's how I found UM and UM also used to have links to similar sites (if I remember correctly) but no more.  Years ago you could follow rabbit holes for hours and I don't feel that vibe anymore.  The internet is comparably boring to me now.  It's more useful for watching movies without a physical player or a disc, or shopping for shoes than it is for intellectual fun.  Maybe the internet is now not only fake, but also dead. 

so the internet is fake or dead because you can't find stuff that excites you anymore.. Oh OK then.. Cheers for your thoughts anyways

[+OverSword]

14 minutes ago, Dejarma said:

so the internet is fake or dead because you can't find stuff that excites you anymore.. Oh OK then.. Cheers for your thoughts anyways

Or maybe I can't find as much exciting stuff because there's not as much exciting new stuff.  Do you think TikTok is new exciting stuff?  Porn?  It's like when the music industry get's too corporate and you hear different versions of the same hit album over and over and new original music is difficult to find.  Boring

Edited September 7, 2021 by OverSword

[+OverSword]

14 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Partially its true, we all know browsers are using AI and analytics to determine what to show us, and what to hide from us.

So in a sense the real internet has been lost, and replaced by an restricted and selective internet which AIs and analytics determine for us.

It's like buying books through kindle.  It's much tougher to discover different and new things than it was browsing around in a huge used book store for hours.

[Dejarma]

9 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Or maybe I can find as much exciting stuff because there's not as much exciting new stuff.  Do you think TikTok is new exciting stuff?  Porn?  It's like when the music industry get's too corporate and you hear different versions of the same hit album over and over and new original music is difficult to find.  Boring

you're really talking about people here aint ya, not the internet.. imo the internet gets more amazing, influential by the day but i guess i use it properly

Edited September 7, 2021 by Dejarma

[+OverSword]

Just now, Dejarma said:

you're really talking about people here aint ya, not the internet.. imo the internet gets more amazing, influential by the day but i guess is use it properly

Examples?  What new, amazing, influential, and not mentioned by you but most important, original thing have you found on the internet lately?  Not trying to be insulting and like I said it could just be me being old.  Also if you don't mind, how old are you?

[LV-426]

1 hour ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

Last year I heard Trump say "it's all gonna be great when the Internet gets invented. It's gonna be great when it arrive."

 

Are you doing some kind of Trump drive-by in every topic?

This thread is about an Internet conspiracy. The last topic was about Clint Eastwood...

 

 

Dude... it's time to move on!