Conspiracy about 9/11

[Gun Nerd]

Today marks the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Anyway, for those who remember when the attacks happened, how the media was showing videos of people cheering. Im not sure if this is true and Im not saying I believe this but apparently one of the persons who saw the videos had been a traveling reporter and as such had been all over the place. He recognized one of the buildings in the background as an old wedding chapel that had been torn down a couple of years ago. In other words, the video was old footage, not a current video of people cheering about the terrorist attacks. 

[HandsomeGorilla]

I mean, we're not exactly innocent from being a propaganda machine. we like to accuse other countries of it, but do you think we didn't use a few tactics to trump it all up and send all those young people to go die? 

[Obviousman]

Hi!

Just to cut to the chase:

• Aircraft did hit buildings / crash to the ground
• Buildings did collapse without the need for assisted demolition
• The US government did not organise it
• If there is any conspiracy, it is to conceal the actual instigators of the event (e.g. was Saudi Arabia complicit in this and the US chooses to 'ignore' it?)

Now that that is out of the way, any specific points you want to talk about? The video footage... do specifics on that? I can see TV channels using 'stock' footage at times (who hasn't?) but would need to look at the specifics to be sure.

[zep73]

27 minutes ago, Gun Nerd said:

the media was showing videos of people cheering

I remember that too, and it was real. In Denmark and many other places. I remember our prime minister reprimanding it in an interview. It definitively happened.

Some muslims saw it as a blow against 'imperialistic USA', and went out into the streets to celebrate. It happened both in Europe and in the Middle East.

[+and-then]

47 minutes ago, zep73 said:

Some muslims saw it as a blow against 'imperialistic USA', and went out into the streets to celebrate.

I remember the Palestinians handing out sweets and dancing in crowds.  This particular incident of the guys dancing was supposed to have been Jews in NYC.  No one ever proved their identity as far as I've heard but if it was true then they are disgusting, no matter their reason for being so overjoyed.  

Remembering 9-11 is one thing but after what we've just seen occur in Afghanistan and the southern border chaos with an average of 150,000 + illegal, unvetted migrants coming into America every month, it's just a matter of time before we are struck on our own soil again.  Those who are making this possible cannot possibly justify it and when it happens the blood will be on their hands  - not that it will bother them.  They have goals that are altogether in opposition to America's freedom or even survival.

[Gun Nerd]

1 hour ago, zep73 said:

I remember that too, and it was real. In Denmark and many other places. I remember our prime minister reprimanding it in an interview. It definitively happened.

Some muslims saw it as a blow against 'imperialistic USA', and went out into the streets to celebrate. It happened both in Europe and in the Middle East.

Alright I will take your word for it although according to a former traveling reporter one of the buildings in the background was an old wedding chapel that had been torn down a couple of years before 9/11 happened so the media was at least using some old footage and not being honest. 

Edited September 11, 2021 by Gun Nerd

[Gun Nerd]

1 hour ago, Obviousman said:

Hi!

Just to cut to the chase:

• Aircraft did hit buildings / crash to the ground
• Buildings did collapse without the need for assisted demolition
• The US government did not organise it
• If there is any conspiracy, it is to conceal the actual instigators of the event (e.g. was Saudi Arabia complicit in this and the US chooses to 'ignore' it?)           Now that that is out of the way, any specific points you want to talk about? The video footage... do specifics on that? I can see TV channels using 'stock' footage at times (who hasn't?) but would need to look at the specifics to be sure.

I know it happened, I saw the towers with my own eyes after they had been hit, not on television but the real towers, from a distance, I saw the smoking burning towers. I was not too far from Manhattan when it happened. I personally do not think the government organized it although some people do blame then President Bush for allowing it. I don't want to get into politics so I will not talk about my position on that or my opinion about former President Bush. As for TV channels using stock footage, yes they do but they let you know when they do and when they're broadcasting something live they tell you its live. They don't use old footage and tell you its live, not if they're being honest. 

Edited September 11, 2021 by Gun Nerd

[zep73]

17 minutes ago, and then said:

they are disgusting, no matter their reason for being so overjoyed.

I agree. Cheering mass casualties is disgusting. It shows you have forsaken your humanity.

 

17 minutes ago, and then said:

the southern border chaos with an average of 150,000 + illegal, unvetted migrants coming into America every month

I cannot comment on that without credible sources backing it up.

 

5 minutes ago, Gun Nerd said:

Alright I will take your word for it although according to a former traveling reporter one of the buildings in the background was an old wedding chapel that had been torn down a couple of years before 9/11 happened so the media was at least using some old footage and not being honest. 

If it was supposed to have happened in the US right after the events, I think it might have been faked. Perhaps as part of an anti-muslim agenda.

Edited September 11, 2021 by zep73

[Vorg]

1 hour ago, Gun Nerd said:

Today marks the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Anyway, for those who remember when the attacks happened, how the media was showing videos of people cheering. Im not sure if this is true and Im not saying I believe this but apparently one of the persons who saw the videos had been a traveling reporter and as such had been all over the place. He recognized one of the buildings in the background as an old wedding chapel that had been torn down a couple of years ago. In other words, the video was old footage, not a current video of people cheering about the terrorist attacks. 

I remember seeing footage from Palestine showing people cheering when they heard the News of the attack. But I heard it was Arafat himself who told them to cut it out and show remorse.

[+and-then]

1 hour ago, zep73 said:

I cannot comment on that without credible sources backing it up.

Fair enough:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/31/politics/migrants-us-southern-border/index.html

https://www.westernjournal.com/government-estimates-reveal-shocking-number-migrants-us-track-encounter-2021/

The routine in this administration has been to ID them as possible, give them a "summons" for lack of a better term, then release them and tell them they have to appear in court on a certain day.  The VAST majority never show and there is no way to find them.  Those are just the ones that get briefly detained.  There have also been continuing reports of migrants from other parts of the world being among the flood that's coming in.  Middle Easterners, Africans, South Americans, you name it.

I've mentioned this book before but it's worth a reminder.  It's a work of fiction called THE BORROWED WORLD and the first chapter details how easily this nation could be crippled by attacking our oil refineries and other aging infrastructure.  It is absolutely chilling because it's so believable.  No nukes necessary.  These guys come in with small arms, a few mortar tubes and the ability to get close to major oil refineries undetected.  The cascading failures that are described are all too real.  Basically, if they can turn off the power, we'd be fighting each other over resources, for years.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

The 'obvious' facts stated here are not obvious at all.

The whole saga stinks from the start.

 

 

[Rlyeh]

John Lear claims it was a space laser and the planes were holograms. 

[zep73]

@and then it seems you are right. I honestly don't know what to say...

[The_Phantom_Stranger]

They say, "You will never forget where you were when you first heard of the 9-11 attack." I remember, I was in 9th grade math class and they started to play it to us on the TV. I really was never emotionally moved by it, but I remember when and where it happened. I've heard many conspiracy theories about it, and I expect there is more going on here than we know about.

[Setton]

19 hours ago, and then said:

I remember the Palestinians handing out sweets and dancing in crowds.  This particular incident of the guys dancing was supposed to have been Jews in NYC.  No one ever proved their identity as far as I've heard but if it was true then they are disgusting, no matter their reason for being so overjoyed.  

But if you won't learn the reason some people saw it as a cause for celebration, you only make your prediction below more likely.

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, it's just a matter of time before we are struck on our own soil again.  

 

[Scholar4Truth]

9/11 was very real I had friends who's family members perished in the towers. Not to mention those who lived in NYC and saw the planes with their own eyes. 

[Trelane]

So Bigfoot wasn't involved???

[Obviousman]

2 hours ago, Trelane said:

So Bigfoot wasn't involved???

Just wait for 2024 when Trump comes back; he'll blow the lid on the Bigfoot / 9-11 Conspiracy.

[ZOXS]

On 9/11/2021 at 3:07 PM, Obviousman said:

Hi!

Just to cut to the chase:

• Aircraft did hit buildings / crash to the ground
• Buildings did collapse without the need for assisted demolition
• The US government did not organise it
• If there is any conspiracy, it is to conceal the actual instigators of the event (e.g. was Saudi Arabia complicit in this and the US chooses to 'ignore' it?)

Now that that is out of the way, any specific points you want to talk about? The video footage... do specifics on that? I can see TV channels using 'stock' footage at times (who hasn't?) but would need to look at the specifics to be sure.

Do you have evidence for why there was an actual airplane?

What evidence do you have that even if there was an airplane, explosives weren’t used?

If there was an actual airplane, what evidence do you have that the US government didn’t organize it or knowingly let it happen? 
 

Saudi Arabia bring involved wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t trust Bush at all though.

[zep73]

11 minutes ago, ZOXS said:

Do you have evidence for why there was an actual airplane?

What evidence do you have that even if there was an airplane, explosives weren’t used?

If there was an actual airplane, what evidence do you have that the US government didn’t organize it or knowingly let it happen? 
 

Saudi Arabia bring involved wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t trust Bush at all though.

What evidence do you have, that you did not kill my hamster, when I was 10 years old?

[Obviousman]

28 minutes ago, ZOXS said:

Do you have evidence for why there was an actual airplane? Yes. Video footage, eyewitness accounts, and wreckage of an aircraft

What evidence do you have that even if there was an airplane, explosives weren’t used? Because the facts don't match that

If there was an actual airplane, what evidence do you have that the US government didn’t organize it or knowingly let it happen? None but this starts to now involve a "Grand Conspiracy", and thus the maxim 'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' applies (or more properly “the weight of evidence for an extraordinary claim must be proportioned to its strangeness” )

Saudi Arabia bring involved wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t trust Bush at all though. I agree

 

[ZOXS]

44 minutes ago, zep73 said:

What evidence do you have, that you did not kill my hamster, when I was 10 years old?

I would have to know more facts about your circumstances in order for me to be able to prove I didn’t kill your hamster.

I know you are being rhetorical though.

[Trelane]

3 hours ago, ZOXS said:

Do you have evidence for why there was an actual airplane?

What evidence do you have that even if there was an airplane, explosives weren’t used?

If there was an actual airplane, what evidence do you have that the US government didn’t organize it or knowingly let it happen? 
 

Saudi Arabia bring involved wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t trust Bush at all though.

What evidence do you have that Bigfoot wasn't piloting the planes?

[psyche101]

On 11/25/2021 at 8:49 AM, ZOXS said:

Do you have evidence for why there was an actual airplane?

What evidence do you have that even if there was an airplane, explosives weren’t used?

If there was an actual airplane, what evidence do you have that the US government didn’t organize it or knowingly let it happen? 
 

Saudi Arabia bring involved wouldn’t surprise me. I don’t trust Bush at all though.

If there was an actual airplane?

WTF?

[ZOXS]

On 11/25/2021 at 5:19 PM, psyche101 said:

If there was an actual airplane?

WTF?

I wasn’t thinking. I’m sorry.