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Do Chairs Exist?

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quiXilver

Hmm... Do thoughts exist?

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Mr Walker
On 9/18/2021 at 2:03 AM, bison said:

Well . . . Dr. Niels Bohr, physicist, and the founder of the standard interpretation of quantum mechanics said this:

'Everything we call real is made of things that can not be regarded as real'. 

The quantum 'particles' out of which our supposed physical reality is constructed are fleeting, and indeterminate in their basic  properties such as position and movement. If anything else in our experience behaved so, we would rightly dismiss it as phantasmal and at odds with what we are pleased to regard as our material reality. 

If they  aren't real then they don't exist.

If they do exist, then the y are real.

Things which do not  exist can't interact with us. 

Things which do, can, and we can shape and manipulate them 

"Fleeting and indeterminate" they may be, but  the y still exist,  and thus are real.

  We will get the hang of measuring them, understanding their properties and nature, and utilising them. 

Probably sooner, rather than later. 

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Mr Walker
6 hours ago, quiXilver said:

Hmm... Do thoughts exist?

Yep. They can be observed, measured, recorded, and transmitted. ( both visual and verbal thoughts)

Basically, they are patterns of neural energy. 

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bison
11 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

If they  aren't real then they don't exist.

If they do exist, then the y are real.

Things which do not  exist can't interact with us. 

Things which do, can, and we can shape and manipulate them 

"Fleeting and indeterminate" they may be, but  the y still exist,  and thus are real.

  We will get the hang of measuring them, understanding their properties and nature, and utilising them. 

Probably sooner, rather than later. 

Dr. Niels Bohr also noted that there is no quantum world, only quantum phenomena. Quantum particles exist only in a state of probability, unless we observe them. A thing that is merely a possibility is not real on its own account, and neither, it appears, is anything made up of them, at least in the sense that materialists mean.

The so-called measurement problem in quantum physics is not a lack of sufficiently good or clever techniques  for making the measurements. It is part of the very nature of quantum particles themselves.

It was not for nothing that Dr. Bohr  said that if one was not shocked by the implications of quantum physics, one had not really understood it.

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Guyver
On 9/15/2021 at 2:42 AM, XenoFish said:

Not really an argument thing. Saw it, found it interesting, decided to share. That's all.

Now that I have watched some of the video, I see why you like it.  Nice find.  Plenty of conversation to be had along these lines of thought.

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