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About 3,000 health workers in France have been suspended because they have not been vaccinated against Covid-19.

A new rule, which came into force on Wednesday, made vaccination mandatory for the country's 2.7 million health, care home and fire service staff.

But French Health Minister Olivier Véran said on Thursday that "most of the suspensions are only temporary".

Many are now agreeing to get jabbed because "they see that the vaccination mandate is a reality", he said.

The rule applies to all doctors, nurses, office staff and volunteers.

President Emmanuel Macron first gave workers notice of the rule change on 12 July, warning them that they needed to get at least one jab by 15 September or resign from their jobs.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-58581682

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https://justthenews.com/government/security/hundreds-navy-seals-face-being-blocked-deployment-refusing-covid-vaccine

As valuable, even essential, as these health workers have been, the situation in the U.S. is even more egregious.  We are seeing the Pentagon actually preferring a significant loss of combat-readiness in pursuit of vaccine compulsion in the U.S.  These Navy SEALs are highly trained shooters that play an outsized role in our national defense, yet the hats in the Pentagon want to refuse them deployment (as a first step) if they refuse to agree to a drug they do not trust.  At this point, we're only talking a few hundred SEALs but as they are pushed out of service due to their beliefs over this situation, our readiness will fall and at the same time, the southern border is wide open to any and all comers.  I wonder, after the next 9-11 type attack on the U.S., how many of these "pipe hitters" will the Pentagon try to lure back into service?  How many in government will have the temerity to actually BLAME these elite service members for such an attack?

SARS-COV-2 has not changed in its fatality rate since it was first revealed in 2019.  It is behaving precisely as every other virus before it.  Each new iteration becomes somewhat less deadly while increasing transmissibility.  The fearmongering we are seeing isn't about "protecting" the vulnerable.  It's about compelling obedience to a centralized government and doing so at ANY cost.

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psyche101
36 minutes ago, and then said:

https://justthenews.com/government/security/hundreds-navy-seals-face-being-blocked-deployment-refusing-covid-vaccine

As valuable, even essential, as these health workers have been, the situation in the U.S. is even more egregious.  We are seeing the Pentagon actually preferring a significant loss of combat-readiness in pursuit of vaccine compulsion in the U.S.  These Navy SEALs are highly trained shooters that play an outsized role in our national defense, yet the hats in the Pentagon want to refuse them deployment (as a first step) if they refuse to agree to a drug they do not trust.  At this point, we're only talking a few hundred SEALs but as they are pushed out of service due to their beliefs over this situation, our readiness will fall and at the same time, the southern border is wide open to any and all comers.  I wonder, after the next 9-11 type attack on the U.S., how many of these "pipe hitters" will the Pentagon try to lure back into service?  How many in government will have the temerity to actually BLAME these elite service members for such an attack?

SARS-COV-2 has not changed in its fatality rate since it was first revealed in 2019.  It is behaving precisely as every other virus before it.  Each new iteration becomes somewhat less deadly while increasing transmissibility.  The fearmongering we are seeing isn't about "protecting" the vulnerable.  It's about compelling obedience to a centralized government and doing so at ANY cost.

What a paranoid load of rubbish.

Yes health should come before defence.

Soldiers take orders. Preists have beliefs. If they can't take orders they can join unemployment benefits. I don't want those dirty covid ridden nutters near me. 

Same with health care workers. They are there to help people get better. Not make them sick. For every person refusing to be responsible there is someone ready to take their place. Good riddance to bad attitudes. Sacking them might give them some realistic perspective. 

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Nuclear Wessel
1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

Sacking them might give them some realistic perspective. 

For some of them it would probably just act as a confirmation that there is some grand big pharma conspiracy going on. I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-vaxx community sees some of them as "martyrs", in a way.

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4 hours ago, and then said:

https://justthenews.com/government/security/hundreds-navy-seals-face-being-blocked-deployment-refusing-covid-vaccine

As valuable, even essential, as these health workers have been, the situation in the U.S. is even more egregious.  We are seeing the Pentagon actually preferring a significant loss of combat-readiness in pursuit of vaccine compulsion in the U.S.  These Navy SEALs are highly trained shooters that play an outsized role in our national defense, yet the hats in the Pentagon want to refuse them deployment (as a first step) if they refuse to agree to a drug they do not trust.  At this point, we're only talking a few hundred SEALs but as they are pushed out of service due to their beliefs over this situation, our readiness will fall and at the same time, the southern border is wide open to any and all comers.  I wonder, after the next 9-11 type attack on the U.S., how many of these "pipe hitters" will the Pentagon try to lure back into service?  How many in government will have the temerity to actually BLAME these elite service members for such an attack?

SARS-COV-2 has not changed in its fatality rate since it was first revealed in 2019.  It is behaving precisely as every other virus before it.  Each new iteration becomes somewhat less deadly while increasing transmissibility.  The fearmongering we are seeing isn't about "protecting" the vulnerable.  It's about compelling obedience to a centralized government and doing so at ANY cost.

I imagine taking out your entire group by infecting them with Covid would be a much greater loss of combat readiness.

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1 hour ago, Setton said:

I imagine taking out your entire group by infecting them with Covid would be a much greater loss of combat readiness.

Then your claim is that contracting Covid automatically means that you'll suffer major deficiency and inability to function?  Because that would have to be the reality for your premise to hold true.  The fact is that fewer than 5% get sick enough to be hospitalized and of that 5%, the majority have other co-morbidities and or are at advanced age.  This particular cohort - the SEALs - fit NONE of those categories.  Over here, a poll indicates that Democrats believe that if a person is diagnosed with Covid, 50% of them will need hospitalization.  This is so far off base that it borders on a psychosis.

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psyche101
4 hours ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

For some of them it would probably just act as a confirmation that there is some grand big pharma conspiracy going on. I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-vaxx community sees some of them as "martyrs", in a way.

It's just getting very silly with all the new doctors that went to the internet college of Google who are all now experts and know more than anyone. 

They are becoming a pandemic themselves. 

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Hammerclaw
4 hours ago, psyche101 said:

It's just getting very silly with all the new doctors that went to the internet college of Google who are all now experts and know more than anyone. 

They are becoming a pandemic themselves. 

Yeah, I think a lot of them are are just scared, sh tless of needles. Here is a list of recommended vaccines, many of which are automatically administered during any hospitalization, or for travel overseas and for military personnel. Military personnel can not refuse inoculation for any communicable disease.

adult-combined-schedule.pdf (cdc.gov)

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7 hours ago, and then said:

Then your claim is that contracting Covid automatically means that you'll suffer major deficiency and inability to function?  

Well given that you're infected with a highly infectious disease which can cause death and had crippled the global economy, I'd say you can't be packed in close quarters with anyone else.

Which pretty much does render special forces unable to function.

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14 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Same with health care workers. They are there to help people get better. Not make them sick.

This is true. Refusing to treat unvaccinated people should not even be a question, yet it's being applauded by rabid consumers of corporate advertising and fear porn. Funny how that works.

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For every person refusing to be responsible there is someone ready to take their place. Good riddance to bad attitudes. 

Are there that many unemployed, trained, health care professionals? It seems to me this narrative of "overwhelmed Hospitals" has more to do with staff being forced to quit than a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Not to mention all that covid money given to Hospitals went to line pockets instead of buying more beds and equipment. They had over a year to prepare yet we see the same story of greed unfolding in many Hospitals across many countries.

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Dark_Grey
1 hour ago, Setton said:

Well given that you're infected with a highly infectious disease which can cause death and had crippled the global economy, I'd say you can't be packed in close quarters with anyone else.

Covid didn't cripple the economy, the Gov did that by playing favorites with businesses. There was no rhyme or reason for who was forced to close and who wasn't, other than money made behind the scenes. Meanwhile, Governors enjoyed private jet flights to meet with family, getting their hair done during lockdowns, etc. Not much changed for our leaders but us unwashed masses better listen. This is a deadly disease, after all. Deadly for small businesses and the middle class

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1 hour ago, Dark_Grey said:

Covid didn't cripple the economy, the Gov did that by playing favorites with businesses. There was no rhyme or reason for who was forced to close and who wasn't, other than money made behind the scenes. Meanwhile, Governors enjoyed private jet flights to meet with family, getting their hair done during lockdowns, etc. Not much changed for our leaders but us unwashed masses better listen. This is a deadly disease, after all. Deadly for small businesses and the middle class

The US is not the globe.

American geography at its finest :rolleyes:

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13 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

Yeah, I think a lot of them are are just scared, sh tless of needles. Here is a list of recommended vaccines, many of which are automatically administered during any hospitalization, or for travel overseas and for military personnel. Military personnel can not refuse inoculation for any communicable disease.

adult-combined-schedule.pdf (cdc.gov)

I've always had a needle phobia myself. I fainted getting my shots to travel. I refused the anti blood clot needle with my last hospital stay. I got up and hopped around on crutches in front of the nurse station so they could see I was exercising to avoid that needle. 

I just saw this one as too important to allow that phobia to control it. Shut my eyes and said wake me up if I pass out. 

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Another overreaction by a corporate health entity.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/north-carolina-hospital-system-suspends-hundreds-of-employees-after-covid-19-vaccine-mandate_4009111.html

Oh well.  I guess they aren't actually concerned with the health and well-being of their patients or they'd set aside this ridiculous mandate.  Instead, they are dumping hundreds of employees, I assume that many of them are highly skilled in nursing or allied health disciplines and won't easily be replaced.  Meanwhile, millions of less educated, less involved people will cheer this on.  I guess they're the same who mock and cheer when non-vaccinated people die.  We seem to have reached the point where folks are willing to suffer the collapse of our medical system based on mandates over a virus that kills fewer than 2% of those who contract it and that 2% has remained consistently comprised of obese, elderly, and sickly adults.  

For the sake of that, they're causing delays in care for patients who don't have the virus at all.  This actually may be a positive event on some levels.  At least we'll have a chance to see universal healthcare unfolding in real-time in the U.S.  THIS is what it will resemble when fully implemented.  Scant resources being over taxed and the burden being carried not by professionals but by hourly labor with no real skill set or education to qualify them for the roles they'll be asked to play.   Those who want the universal system should pay close attention to what it looks like IRL...

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10 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

This is true. Refusing to treat unvaccinated people should not even be a question, yet it's being applauded by rabid consumers of corporate advertising and fear porn. Funny how that works.

Unvaccinated people should not be put at higher risk for personal ideologies. 

10 hours ago, Dark_Grey said:

Are there that many unemployed, trained, health care professionals? It seems to me this narrative of "overwhelmed Hospitals" has more to do with staff being forced to quit than a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Not to mention all that covid money given to Hospitals went to line pockets instead of buying more beds and equipment. They had over a year to prepare yet we see the same story of greed unfolding in many Hospitals across many countries.

There are young people leaving colleges, universities and schools every six months or so. There is a regular influx of people willing to work. If staff can't follow proceedure, replace them. They can only strike for so long before they dog a hole too deep to climb out of. 

We had power strikes in early eighties. Power company constantly on strike, affecting regular people. The government stood fast and refused to give into demands. Several months later, most were sacked or on the edge of ruin. They got replaced and we haven't seen a power strike since. It was tough at the time, but it sure paid off. Screw those anarchist aholes. Do the same to medical personnel who fail in their duties too. It works.

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19 minutes ago, and then said:

Another overreaction by a corporate health entity.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/north-carolina-hospital-system-suspends-hundreds-of-employees-after-covid-19-vaccine-mandate_4009111.html

Oh well.  I guess they aren't actually concerned with the health and well-being of their patients or they'd set aside this ridiculous mandate.  Instead, they are dumping hundreds of employees, I assume that many of them are highly skilled in nursing or allied health disciplines and won't easily be replaced.  Meanwhile, millions of less educated, less involved people will cheer this on.  I guess they're the same who mock and cheer when non-vaccinated people die.  We seem to have reached the point where folks are willing to suffer the collapse of our medical system based on mandates over a virus that kills fewer than 2% of those who contract it and that 2% has remained consistently comprised of obese, elderly, and sickly adults.  

For the sake of that, they're causing delays in care for patients who don't have the virus at all.  This actually may be a positive event on some levels.  At least we'll have a chance to see universal healthcare unfolding in real-time in the U.S.  THIS is what it will resemble when fully implemented.  Scant resources being over taxed and the burden being carried not by professionals but by hourly labor with no real skill set or education to qualify them for the roles they'll be asked to play.   Those who want the universal system should pay close attention to what it looks like IRL...

What about the people refusing to do the right thing and get vaccinated as per company policy and recommended medial procedure? What about the safety of the patients? 

You always support those who break the rules and chastise those who make them. IMHO that's backwards. 

Replace them. People can be trained. Idiocy is a personal trait and like deliberate ignorance, has no cure. We don't need people who refuse to shoulder community responsibility. 

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1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

I've always had a needle phobia myself. I fainted getting my shots to travel. I refused the anti blood clot needle with my last hospital stay. I got up and hopped around on crutches in front of the nurse station so they could see I was exercising to avoid that needle. 

I just saw this one as too important to allow that phobia to control it. Shut my eyes and said wake me up if I pass out. 

Once, while enduring financial hardship, I donated plasma on a regular bases. The needles they used were the same gauge as a horse doctor uses to inoculate his charges. After that, the ones used in hospital were mere pin pricks. I know a marine, wounded in combat, who still can't stand needles. Having endured much worse pain, of the flesh and of the heart, needles are nothing, now. It's not that I don't feel them and they still hurt, I'm just not afraid of the pain, anymore.

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5 hours ago, psyche101 said:

I've always had a needle phobia myself. I fainted getting my shots to travel. I refused the anti blood clot needle with my last hospital stay. I got up and hopped around on crutches in front of the nurse station so they could see I was exercising to avoid that needle. 

I just saw this one as too important to allow that phobia to control it. Shut my eyes and said wake me up if I pass out. 

Mr. Psyche, ask the nurse if you can lie flat on whatever they have available when they're going to put a needle in you. I have heart patients lay down all the time that have a fear of needles because it sometimes helps to minimize the effect vasovagal syncope. Oh, and turn your head and look the other way before the nurse does it. That helps too. lol. Don't watch it. ;)

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52 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Mr. Psyche, ask the nurse if you can lie flat on whatever they have available when they're going to put a needle in you. I have heart patients lay down all the time that have a fear of needles because it sometimes helps to minimize the effect vasovagal syncope. Oh, and turn your head and look the other way before the nurse does it. That helps too. lol. Don't watch it. ;)

I'll remember that thanks!

The covid jab was the easiest I ever had. I did look away and the very lovely nurse kept chatting throughout and I didn't even feel it. 

Didn't bleed either. I suspect the jab might have given me Wolverine healing powers. :innocent:

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As the antivaxxers insist on their "freedom" not to be vaccinated they do not accept compulsory vaccination even not for health workers and some of these people are members of the health worker community. What kind of hypocrisy is that? They create, unconsciously, a kind of 2 class freedom. In public, everyone can decide for themself to perform precautionary measures like distancing. But thats not possible for people who are in a hospital needing medical help which raises the question: whose freedom is to be valued more highly? The "freedom" of some medical staff worker to refuse vaccination and thus put people/patients in danger at a location where they have no choice or the freedom of the patients to claim their right to the highest possible precautionary measures around them?

The answer is quite clear and I fully back the France decision: get the jab or stay away.

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On 9/21/2021 at 2:53 AM, and then said:

Then your claim is that contracting Covid automatically means that you'll suffer major deficiency and inability to function?  Because that would have to be the reality for your premise to hold true.  The fact is that fewer than 5% get sick enough to be hospitalized and of that 5%, the majority have other co-morbidities and or are at advanced age.  This particular cohort - the SEALs - fit NONE of those categories.  Over here, a poll indicates that Democrats believe that if a person is diagnosed with Covid, 50% of them will need hospitalization.  This is so far off base that it borders on a psychosis.

I heard about one woman, a nurse, who lost her job, her ability to drive, and more I think, because of her reaction to the covid jab. Ironically she took it to keep her job. But you won't hear this on the MSM.

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On 9/21/2021 at 10:05 PM, and then said:

Another overreaction by a corporate health entity.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/north-carolina-hospital-system-suspends-hundreds-of-employees-after-covid-19-vaccine-mandate_4009111.html

Oh well.  I guess they aren't actually concerned with the health and well-being of their patients or they'd set aside this ridiculous mandate.  Instead, they are dumping hundreds of employees, I assume that many of them are highly skilled in nursing or allied health disciplines and won't easily be replaced.  Meanwhile, millions of less educated, less involved people will cheer this on.  I guess they're the same who mock and cheer when non-vaccinated people die.  We seem to have reached the point where folks are willing to suffer the collapse of our medical system based on mandates over a virus that kills fewer than 2% of those who contract it and that 2% has remained consistently comprised of obese, elderly, and sickly adults.  

For the sake of that, they're causing delays in care for patients who don't have the virus at all.  This actually may be a positive event on some levels.  At least we'll have a chance to see universal healthcare unfolding in real-time in the U.S.  THIS is what it will resemble when fully implemented.  Scant resources being over taxed and the burden being carried not by professionals but by hourly labor with no real skill set or education to qualify them for the roles they'll be asked to play.   Those who want the universal system should pay close attention to what it looks like IRL...

I wonder what percentage of people die who get the flu?

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30 minutes ago, Gummug said:

I wonder what percentage of people die who get the flu?

On average about .03 to .04%

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2 hours ago, Gummug said:

I wonder what percentage of people die who get the flu?

https://austingwalters.com/delta-variant-less-dangerous-than-flu/

According to many reports, Delta is considerably less virulent than it's alpha variant.  Some are reporting it to be LESS lethal than seasonal influenza.

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7 hours ago, and then said:

https://austingwalters.com/delta-variant-less-dangerous-than-flu/

According to many reports, Delta is considerably less virulent than it's alpha variant.  Some are reporting it to be LESS lethal than seasonal influenza.

So Dr Fauci lied or is incompetent? That can't be can it?

Anyway isn't Bill Gates the one (among others) who wants to reduce the world population by 95% or so? Why would anyone trust what he supports?

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