The Flat-Earth believers number is rising

[jethrofloyd]

Just come across an article about rising numbers of Flat-Earth supporters. Why are numbers of the flat-earhers rising?

[Myles]

On 9/26/2021 at 6:40 AM, ThereWeAreThen said:

I think most of them are just doing it for attention, money or have something wrong with them. I've seen enough videos to convince me.

I think the attention and money ideas are valid.   I think the biggest reason is just they want to debate.   The toughest argument to win would be that the Earth is flat.   There is really no way to win that argument but if you are a person who likes a challenge it would be the ultimate challenge.  

[ThereWeAreThen]

7 hours ago, Myles said:

I think the attention and money ideas are valid.   I think the biggest reason is just they want to debate.   The toughest argument to win would be that the Earth is flat.   There is really no way to win that argument but if you are a person who likes a challenge it would be the ultimate challenge.  

See where you're coming from but there is literally no arguement. They even say other planets in the solar system are spherical yet Earth is flat. Its not that they want an challenge, its just trolling or a money scam.

[Grey Area]

There is a very simple way to prove a round earth that requires nothing but eyes.

At sunset on a reasonably clear day go outside and observe the sky.  If the conditions are right you will see high altitude clouds lit up by sun the while at the same time low altitude ones will be in shadow, demonstrating the sun moving beyond the curved horizon.  The same can work if you go to an airport at sundown, you can actually watch an aircraft as it gains altitude pass beyond the terminator and go from being in shadow to sunlight.

Edited September 30, 2021 by Grey Area

[aztek]

LMAO, those flat earther are geniuses, they outsmarted all of your trash talkers who think it is really about flat earth,. they created exclusive private community, and the cover story (flat earth), keeps unwanted people away. 

[ChrLzs]

8 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

That works if you live in a place that has clouds all the time.  In the desert you need a different example.   

Satellites, then.  If you sky watch as I do, you'll see many satellites.. but only in the early evening and morning.  That's when the sun is just below the horizon so there are light rays passing overhead, even though your location is in darkness.  As each satellite moves into those light rays it gets brightly lit up, but then at some point they will disappear back into shadow as they move out of the sunlit region.

All of that can be predicted and worked out from scratch - the mathematics are easily and publicly accessible.  Or if you want to get involved easily, just go to Heaven's Above.  You can enter your latitude and longitude and see very precise predictions for everything that goes overhead each night.  Look for the brighter ones, eg magnitude 2 or lower (or negative) - they are the brighter ones, like the International Space Station.  You'll find it will pass overhead at a good viewing time every week or so, and it is a spectacular sight...

With a bit of practise you will be able to also spot passing planes at high altitude (there are sites out there like Flightradar24 that will let you identify them too) - they do look slightly different..

[+Desertrat56]

34 minutes ago, ChrLzs said:

Satellites, then.  If you sky watch as I do, you'll see many satellites.. but only in the early evening and morning.  That's when the sun is just below the horizon so there are light rays passing overhead, even though your location is in darkness.  As each satellite moves into those light rays it gets brightly lit up, but then at some point they will disappear back into shadow as they move out of the sunlit region.

All of that can be predicted and worked out from scratch - the mathematics are easily and publicly accessible.  Or if you want to get involved easily, just go to Heaven's Above.  You can enter your latitude and longitude and see very precise predictions for everything that goes overhead each night.  Look for the brighter ones, eg magnitude 2 or lower (or negative) - they are the brighter ones, like the International Space Station.  You'll find it will pass overhead at a good viewing time every week or so, and it is a spectacular sight...

With a bit of practise you will be able to also spot passing planes at high altitude (there are sites out there like Flightradar24 that will let you identify them too) - they do look slightly different..

Just the fact that we  have satellites should be enough.   I don't think anyone who really believes the flat earth myth is going to change their mind.   How do they explain the moon?   

[ChrLzs]

On 10/17/2021 at 2:34 AM, janesix said:

Because it might be true?

A quick tip (especially when on forums like this one where the readership is extremely diverse in terms of viewpoint and intelligence/knowledge..) - always use a smiley when joking, even when you think no-one could possibly miss your joke...

Otherwise, some people here might think you are serious, and that isn't the case, surely?  Please clarify - and if you are serious, can you explain what primary observational evidence you have been convinced by?

 

If not, and it was just a little joke.. Ha.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

15 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

A quick tip (especially when on forums like this one where the readership is extremely diverse in terms of viewpoint and intelligence/knowledge..) - always use a smiley when joking, even when you think no-one could possibly miss your joke...

Otherwise, some people here might think you are serious, and that isn't the case, surely?  Please clarify - and if you are serious, can you explain what primary observational evidence you have been convinced by?

 

If not, and it was just a little joke.. Ha.

I'm afraid she might actually believe it. 

[psyche101]

ITS TIME TO WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

 

[janesix]

On 10/24/2021 at 2:01 PM, ChrLzs said:

A quick tip (especially when on forums like this one where the readership is extremely diverse in terms of viewpoint and intelligence/knowledge..) - always use a smiley when joking, even when you think no-one could possibly miss your joke...

Otherwise, some people here might think you are serious, and that isn't the case, surely?  Please clarify - and if you are serious, can you explain what primary observational evidence you have been convinced by?

 

If not, and it was just a little joke.. Ha.

I don't believe the earth is flat OR "round". In this particular reality/simulation, I believe it is round. 

What is wrong with being a flat-earther? nothing.

[ChrLzs]

5 hours ago, janesix said:

What is wrong with being a flat-earther? nothing.

Oh, really?  I think that the ongoing embarrassment and mental scarring of any progeny, who at some point will have to go through the horrible process of realising their parent/s are morons and are lying to them, is actually very serious.  I've seen the results of similar Cults, like Nancy Lieders 'PlanetX / Zetatalk' madness, where parents have scarred their children for life by preparing bunkers and food and water and emergency procedures for the "end of times" when they might be killed.... oh yeah this was back in 1995, and the dates when they would die ranged from about 2002 thru 2012 and ongoing.  Each time the date shifted, of course more damage was done to those poor kids and their family units.  Think about how that would pan out....

 

You happy with that, Janesix?

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

10 hours ago, janesix said:

I don't believe the earth is flat OR "round". In this particular reality/simulation, I believe it is round. 

So in other realities/simulations it might be flat ?

10 hours ago, janesix said:

What is wrong with being a flat-earther? nothing.

Being a flat Earther starts you on a slippery slope towards so many other conspiracy theories. Do you think its healthy if you base you whole belief system on the world being one big conspiracy  ?

[janesix]

On 10/31/2021 at 4:12 AM, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

So in other realities/simulations it might be flat ?

Being a flat Earther starts you on a slippery slope towards so many other conspiracy theories. Do you think its healthy if you base you whole belief system on the world being one big conspiracy  ?

So in other realities/simulations it might be flat ?

Yes

[janesix]

On 10/30/2021 at 11:26 PM, ChrLzs said:

Oh, really?  I think that the ongoing embarrassment and mental scarring of any progeny, who at some point will have to go through the horrible process of realising their parent/s are morons and are lying to them, is actually very serious.  I've seen the results of similar Cults, like Nancy Lieders 'PlanetX / Zetatalk' madness, where parents have scarred their children for life by preparing bunkers and food and water and emergency procedures for the "end of times" when they might be killed.... oh yeah this was back in 1995, and the dates when they would die ranged from about 2002 thru 2012 and ongoing.  Each time the date shifted, of course more damage was done to those poor kids and their family units.  Think about how that would pan out....

 

You happy with that, Janesix?

I keep my weirdness to myself, my psychiatris,and online forums.

[ChrLzs]

On 11/2/2021 at 1:35 AM, janesix said:

I keep my weirdness to myself, my psychiatris,and online forums.

How about reading what I posted, and actually addressing what was said?  Your derails and avoidance of questions are becoming tiresome.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

On 11/1/2021 at 4:34 PM, janesix said:

So in other realities/simulations it might be flat ?

Yes

Personally I only deal with the reality I live in. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

Somehow you neatly avoided responding to the second question in my post.

On 10/31/2021 at 12:12 PM, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Being a flat Earther starts you on a slippery slope towards so many other conspiracy theories. Do you think its healthy if you base you whole belief system on the world being one big conspiracy  ?

 

[aztek]

because it is not worth responding to, it is a lie, there is no evidence to support that.

[janesix]

On 11/2/2021 at 2:10 PM, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Personally I only deal with the reality I live in. Anything beyond that is pure speculation.

Somehow you neatly avoided responding to the second question in my post.

 

My response: beliefs are not "unhealthy" even  if they are not true. People live normal lives all the time with false beliefs. I could give dozens of examples, just by giving you a list of religious beliefs. 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

2 hours ago, janesix said:

My response: beliefs are not "unhealthy" even  if they are not true. People live normal lives all the time with false beliefs. I could give dozens of examples, just by giving you a list of religious beliefs. 

I was talking about the flat Earth belief, not belief in general. I thought that was clear from my post and it is afterall the topic at hand.

In order to believe In a flat Earth, you have to believe in a huge World wide conspiracy. People who works in fields such as astronomy, physics, aviation, shipping and space exploration have to be part of the conspiracy.

Edited November 4, 2021 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy

[+Desertrat56]

20 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

I was talking about the flat Earth belief, not belief in general. I thought that was clear from my post and it is afterall the topic at hand.

In order to believe In a flat Earth, you have to believe in a huge World wide conspiracy. People who works in fields such as astronomy, physics, aviation, shipping and space exploration have to be part of the conspiracy.

Not to mention education also has to be part of the conspiracy.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

4 hours ago, janesix said:

Theyve done it before (like with tartaria) , they could do it for flat earth too.

Who are "they" ?

[+Desertrat56]

20 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Not to mention education also has to be part of the conspiracy.

@ChrLzs what is so funny?  If there were a conspiracy as large as the flat earther's claim it would have to include education, which makes the conspiracy even more ludicrous.   Any conspiracy like that (including the moon landing is a hoax) would have to include the education system.

[ChrLzs]

9 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

@ChrLzs what is so funny?  If there were a conspiracy as large as the flat earther's claim it would have to include education, which makes the conspiracy even more ludicrous.   Any conspiracy like that (including the moon landing is a hoax) would have to include the education system.

My humour was directed at the utterly ludicrous thought that education might start to address conspiracy theories as dumb as this one.. by doing so, it would likely just garner more followers, even if they are just trolling.  Eventually, it is always the less well-informed that will suffer.

[+Desertrat56]

15 hours ago, ChrLzs said:

My humour was directed at the utterly ludicrous thought that education might start to address conspiracy theories as dumb as this one.. by doing so, it would likely just garner more followers, even if they are just trolling.  Eventually, it is always the less well-informed that will suffer.

But that wasn't my point, my point was to add education to the list of entities/agencies etc that would have to be involved in such a huge conspiracy.   Education in the U.S. is never going to address conspiracies, it barely addresses education.

[quiXilver]

1 hour ago, GlitterRose said:

I thought with the world of information at everyone's fingertips...people would get smarter.

Lol.

 

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

too much misinformation to sift through and not enough education or training in critical thinking.

Well said both of you. 

I just shared this in a political thread but it seems succinctly appropriate here as well.

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The 'My Team' mentality is so strong.  It's amazing.  Espousing a set of beliefs to claim and engender identity with a group.

The more outlandish the beliefs espoused, the stronger the sense of belonging is created and reinforced every time they are claimed anew, and the more one burrows into it for some sense of obsene comfort.  The more isolating the beliefs or claims are from 'mainstream', the greater the sense of belonging is generated.

In the case of politicians, it's not so much a set of beliefs as it is an engaging in wilfull ignorance of the cognitive dissonance created by the actions of a leader who clearly breaks all of the individual's held social more's.  Yet the desire to identify with 'the team' supercedes all else and they rationalize it away, ignore it, or attack the ones pointing it out.

C'est la vie.  Seems an indelible trait of humankind.

 

 

Edited November 6, 2021 by quiXilver