Migrants returned to Mexico describe horror of kidnappings, torture, rape

[el midgetron]

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Noticias Telemundo Investiga interviewed more than 30 migrants who were kidnapped from 2019 to 2021.

Some spoke on camera and gave their names because they are in safe places and believe they should publicly report the criminal practices. Others avoided giving their full names because they fear reprisals from organized crime. Some spoke on condition of anonymity.

Several of them, including minors, have witnessed the murders of other migrants who tried to flee or whose families were not sending enough ransom……

…..The criminals tortured some of the abducted migrants with blows all over their bodies to pressure the families who must pay the ransoms. Women were often repeatedly sexually abused by one or more kidnappers, said a woman who was raped, as well as several people who witnessed the crimes……

…….“They abused women. They beat them,” he said. “They were put in a room. Four of them entered and raped them. When they took them out, they said: ‘Shut up. If you keep talking, yelling, you’re going to get another beating,’” José Antonio said. 

A victim corroborated a similar experience.

A Honduran woman, identified as Sofia, and her two daughters were kidnapped in Monterrey, in the state of Nuevo León. The criminals, who did not identify themselves as part of any organized group, put them in a house but realized that Sofia had no money or direct family to extort. 

“They left my daughters in a room and then took me,” Sofia said. She was told that if she didn’t go along, they would take her girls, instead. Sofia found herself in a room where she was locked up from 6 p.m. to 6 a.m and sexually abused.

https://www.aol.com/news/migrants-returned-mexico-describe-horror-233618125.html

This is the stuff Joe Biden is facilitating with his failure at the border, Illegal immigration fuels exploitation, abuse and suffering. 

[Gromdor]

26 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

https://www.aol.com/news/migrants-returned-mexico-describe-horror-233618125.html

This is the stuff Joe Biden is facilitating with his failure at the border, Illegal immigration fuels exploitation, abuse and suffering. 

Biden was president in 2019 and 2020?

[el midgetron]

16 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Biden was president in 2019 and 2020?

This stuff is still happening today. We can only learn from the past. Biden has the ability to change the future. Comprende mi amigo?

[Gromdor]

9 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

This stuff is still happening today. We can only learn from the past. Biden has the ability to change the future. Comprende mi amigo?

Hmm. Quite true.  So whatever the president in 2019-2020 was doing-  don't do that.  

[el midgetron]

11 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Hmm. Quite true.  So whatever the president in 2019-2020 was doing-  don't do that.  

Yeah, I don’t think we have to worry about Biden discouraging illegal immigration or trying to secure the border. That was sort of my original point. 
 

 

[el midgetron]

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EAGLE PASS, Texas — With less than 48 hours left in Fiscal Year 2021, the Border Patrol has already surpassed the total number of migrant apprehensions made in any year along the southwest border since the agency’s inception in 1924. A source within Customs and Border Protection notes the unofficial apprehension record shows more than 1,646,000 for the year as of Wednesday.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/09/29/exclusive-border-patrol-breaks-all-time-migrant-apprehension-record-in-2021/
 

Joe is #1

build back better (unless we are talking about a boarder wall)

[+DieChecker]

6 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Biden was president in 2019 and 2020?

Where did the article say that this was from 2019-2020?

[+DieChecker]

6 hours ago, el midgetron said:

https://www.aol.com/news/migrants-returned-mexico-describe-horror-233618125.html

This is the stuff Joe Biden is facilitating with his failure at the border, Illegal immigration fuels exploitation, abuse and suffering. 

Uhhh... So from the parts I read this is all happening INSIDE Mexico. How is Joe, or Trump, to prevent that? Conquor Mexico? Invade?

[Gromdor]

3 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Where did the article say that this was from 2019-2020?

Six paragraphs down (counting the single sentences as paragraphs).  It's where they listed the source of the study/interviews.

[aztek]

So what Mexico is a craphole, these things happen there daily. As well as in many other craphole countries.  We can't let them all in.  Especially since our vetting process doe not really exist. The same people who rape, and murder get into USA and do it here. 

[+DieChecker]

2 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Six paragraphs down (counting the single sentences as paragraphs).  It's where they listed the source of the study/interviews.

Ah, I think i saw that, but it didn't click.... 

[el midgetron]

6 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Where did the article say that this was from 2019-2020?

First line in the op quotation. It’s actually cites 2019-2021. Gromdor excluded the current year. 

6 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Uhhh... So from the parts I read this is all happening INSIDE Mexico. How is Joe, or Trump, to prevent that? Conquor Mexico? Invade?

It’s a matter of using policy and security to dissuade people to come here illegally. That’s the only fix for the problem. If people don’t expect to be released into the US and receive government assistance they won’t try to cross illegally. They won’t attempt the perilous journey. The perception of an open border creates the environment where these people are victimized. 
 

 

[+DieChecker]

1 hour ago, el midgetron said:

It’s a matter of using policy and security to dissuade people to come here illegally. That’s the only fix for the problem. If people don’t expect to be released into the US and receive government assistance they won’t try to cross illegally. They won’t attempt the perilous journey. The perception of an open border creates the environment where these people are victimized. 
 

You mean like when he says "Don't come here", while at the same time letting in tens of thousands basically unquestioned? Good deterrent there... Not!

Still, I'm not sure what Biden's going to do to get Mexico helping out? Mexico seems to think he's a doddering old man they can just ignore and do whatever they please. Oh, wait....

Edited September 30, 2021 by DieChecker

[Myles]

Maybe the Democrats will get behind this, but probably not.  

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-stefanik-house-bill-block-deport-immigrants-sex-crime-convictions

 Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-NY, on Wednesday introduced a House version of a bill that would block and deport immigrants with sex crime convictions from the United States – legislation that has the support of dozens of lawmakers in the House and Senate.

The Better Enforcement of Grievous Offenses by unNaturalized Emigrants (BE GONE) Act was first introduced in the Senate by Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, earlier this month, and would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to include sexual assault and aggravated sexual violence as crimes that are defined as "aggravated felonies" which make immigrants inadmissible and deportable.

[aztek]

^^^ Does that mean we have to wait till they actually commit such crime here, be tried and convicted in order to fall under new law? cuz only a naive child will believe their original countries will provide records of convictions, libs will never allow those papers to exist, i bet once the law passes there will be massive shredding operations in Latin America countries, as well as mexico's police and courts.  hell they will try their best to cover up those crimes here, like they did with school rapes that new bathroom  policy encourages, or like german town covers up rapes by Muslim immigrants,

One thing is perfectly clear, right now we have no bigger enemy than liberals in USA, once we deal with them the rest of the issues will improve, and many disappear 

Edited October 27, 2021 by aztek

[Likely Guy]

2 minutes ago, aztek said:

One thing is perfectly clear, right now we have no bigger enemy than liberals in USA, once we deal with them the rest of the issues will improve, and many disappear 

And how would that be achieved?

[el midgetron]

38 minutes ago, Likely Guy said:

And how would that be achieved?

Not being intimidated by their routine of labeling any opposition to them as racist and terroristic. Calling them out and exposing them. The Democrats will probably correct themselves because if they continue on this same trajectory they will drive that bus over a cliff of public opinion. Its already reflected in Biden’s poll number especially with independents. Continuing inflation, supply chain problems, border crisis, divisive ideologies and policies, or just the usual day-to-day clueless bumbling and stumbling along of the past 9 months are not going to improve public perception and support. The only long term hope for the Democrats is for them to abandon the Marxists strategies and embrace American principles. 
 

If you were hoping for a civil war answer, the Democrats have demonstrated their tolerance and support for politically useful mayhem and violence, They surrendered parts of their cities to insurgency and mod rule. If anyone wants a civil war it would be the political left. 

[aztek]

3 hours ago, Likely Guy said:

And how would that be achieved?

any way it takes

[Likely Guy]

5 hours ago, aztek said:

any way it takes

?

[+DieChecker]

14 hours ago, Myles said:

Maybe the Democrats will get behind this, but probably not.  

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-stefanik-house-bill-block-deport-immigrants-sex-crime-convictions

 Rep. Elise Stefanik, R-NY, on Wednesday introduced a House version of a bill that would block and deport immigrants with sex crime convictions from the United States – legislation that has the support of dozens of lawmakers in the House and Senate.

The Better Enforcement of Grievous Offenses by unNaturalized Emigrants (BE GONE) Act was first introduced in the Senate by Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, earlier this month, and would amend the Immigration and Nationality Act to include sexual assault and aggravated sexual violence as crimes that are defined as "aggravated felonies" which make immigrants inadmissible and deportable.

Didn't used to be, but I suspect the "R" next to the Representatives name dooms this to fail, regardless of if it is a excellent idea or not.

[Gromdor]

9 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

Didn't used to be, but I suspect the "R" next to the Representatives name dooms this to fail, regardless of if it is a excellent idea or not.

We already have laws that require deporting immigrants with "aggravated felonies".  Aggravated Felonies and Deportation (syr.edu)

Rape and sex abuse of minors are already considered "aggravated felonies."

I can perhaps see a need to tweak the definition but the timing of these two bills makes me think that this is more of an attempt to portray immigrants as rapists more than actually addressing an issue that is affecting the populace.

[+DieChecker]

The "Remain in Mexico" order seems like its going to be reinstated. So possibly that will also prevent the wrong people from coming here.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/22/1048492677/remain-in-mexico-the-trump-era-policy-that-haunts-the-biden-administration

But, I suspect not, as criminals will scale the wall and just come here the quick and illegal way.

[Gromdor]

19 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

The "Remain in Mexico" order seems like its going to be reinstated. So possibly that will also prevent the wrong people from coming here.

https://www.npr.org/2021/10/22/1048492677/remain-in-mexico-the-trump-era-policy-that-haunts-the-biden-administration

But, I suspect not, as criminals will scale the wall and just come here the quick and illegal way.

I think the remain in Mexico stance just allows the cartels to get access to a large capitve populace to both prey on and get business from.

[itsnotoutthere]

On 9/30/2021 at 2:33 AM, Gromdor said:

Hmm. Quite true.  So whatever the president in 2019-2020 was doing-  don't do that.  

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-prepares-resume-trump-remain-mexico-asylum-policy-november-2021-10-15/

[itsnotoutthere]

14 hours ago, el midgetron said:

Not being intimidated by their routine of labeling any opposition to them as racist and terroristic. Calling them out and exposing them. The Democrats will probably correct themselves because if they continue on this same trajectory they will drive that bus over a cliff of public opinion. Its already reflected in Biden’s poll number especially with independents. Continuing inflation, supply chain problems, border crisis, divisive ideologies and policies, or just the usual day-to-day clueless bumbling and stumbling along of the past 9 months are not going to improve public perception and support. The only long term hope for the Democrats is for them to abandon the Marxists strategies and embrace American principles. 
 

If you were hoping for a civil war answer, the Democrats have demonstrated their tolerance and support for politically useful mayhem and violence, They surrendered parts of their cities to insurgency and mod rule. If anyone wants a civil war it would be the political left. 

Well if the dems keep running their individual states the way they have been up till now, they should get slaughtered at the next election. Have you seen the numbers for people leaving California?