+joc Posted May 22 #6451 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, acidhead said: Two sides of the same coin. An illusion of socalled democracy. Media driven. Coke vs Pepsi - Bloods vs Crips sucking the tit of the public Treasury dry. Probably the most entertaining aspect is witnessing partisans on both sides daily at each other's throats like it's the NFL Super Bowl. This seasons American Presidential championship edition seems to be shaping up to who loves the Israeli and Ukraine wars the most as if those conflicts have any factor in the lives of you common citizens. Truly bizarre behavior. The citizenry will be voting their pocket books. Trump will win...and oh won't that be fun. But the economy will turn around and people will forget all about Biden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 22 #6452 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, joc said: The citizenry will be voting their pocket books. Trump will win...and oh won't that be fun. But the economy will turn around and people will forget all about Biden. Why would the economy turn around? Why would we want it to turn around? The opposite we have now would be a recession instead of inflation, high unemployment instead of low unemployment, a crashing stock market instead of a record setting one. Isn't that bad? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted May 22 #6453 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, joc said: The citizenry will be voting their pocket books. Trump will win...and oh won't that be fun. But the economy will turn around and people will forget all about Biden. As much as I respect you and your wisdom in other sections I have no clue how you can be so um lost and askew with Trump, Carry on. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted May 22 #6454 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Gromdor said: Why would the economy turn around? Why would we want it to turn around? The opposite we have now would be a recession instead of inflation, high unemployment instead of low unemployment, a crashing stock market instead of a record setting one. Isn't that bad? Yeah if Trump get back in ( he won't ) three seconds after hes singed in gas will drop to 49 cents a gal etc and when it doesnt guess what who BOM subjects will blame? Edited May 22 by the13bats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 22 #6455 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, joc said: The citizenry will be voting their pocket books. Trump will win...and oh won't that be fun. But the economy will turn around and people will forget all about Biden. Than Biden can run again in 2028!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted May 22 #6456 Share Posted May 22 6 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Can you imagine an RFK State of the Onion speech? His voice would break before he got to “my fellow Americans”. If RFK wins, why would it matter how his voice sounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted May 22 #6457 Share Posted May 22 2 hours ago, Gromdor said: Why would the economy turn around? Why would we want it to turn around? The opposite we have now would be a recession instead of inflation, high unemployment instead of low unemployment, a crashing stock market instead of a record setting one. Isn't that bad? The economy will turn around because the underlying factor in everything economy is oil. This is an oil based economy. It will always be an oil based economy. You don't want run away inflation. You don't want recession. You want an economy that ebbs and flows between the two. Why do you think everything has to be the total opposite of what is in order to initiate change. The history is there if you will just take a look. Democrats suppress the economy by limiting the oil initiatives. Republicans stimulate the economy by allowing more freedom in oil initiatives. It's just that simple. The thing you need to understand is that neither Republicans nor Democrats are in control of the economy. They serve a useful purpose...because they are so predictable. Not watering a plant will cause the plant to wither and die. Overwatering the economy will also kill the plant. Economics is no different really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted May 22 #6458 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 2 hours ago, the13bats said: As much as I respect you and your wisdom in other sections I have no clue how you can be so um lost and askew with Trump, Carry on. I am not lost nor askew. I know that Trump will win because the overseers of the economy need it stimulated. This isn't about Trump...this is about The Economy. This is about maintenance of the economy. The one thing that is not being talked about is the National Debt. It's real debt, and there are real payments that have to be made on it. We borrow money from a lot of other nations. And we pay interest on that debt. The National Debt is over 30 Trillion dollars. We have never missed any of the interest payments and we aren't going to. The Maintenance of those interest payments is what it is all about. It doesn't matter how much we owe...it only matters that the ratio between the interest on the debt and the GDP is within set parameters. So, if we are in a situation now, where we have runaway inflation...that's not good. Another four years of this crap will damage the economy maybe beyond repair. The other thing is that we couldn't sustain the 'run away growth' that Trumps policies brought about either. They were needed after the 8 years of Obama. But four years of it was enough. That is why Trump was so demonized. He had to be brought down to save the economy. What you don't understand is that you were made to hate Trump. They didn't want Trump to wreck the economy by overstimulating it. It's all a chess game and you and I really don't even know who the players are. But they sure as hell aren't Trump or Biden. Edited May 22 by joc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted May 22 #6459 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 13 minutes ago, joc said: I am not lost nor askew. I know that Trump will win because the overseers of the economy need it stimulated. This isn't about Trump...this is about The Economy. This is about maintenance of the economy. The one thing that is not being talked about is the National Debt. It's real debt, and there are real payments that have to be made on it. We borrow money from a lot of other nations. And we pay interest on that debt. The National Debt is over 30 Trillion dollars. We have never missed any of the interest payments and we aren't going to. The Maintenance of those interest payments is what it is all about. It doesn't matter how much we owe...it only matters that the ratio between the interest on the debt and the GDP is within set parameters. So, if we are in a situation now, where we have runaway inflation...that's not good. Another four years of this crap will damage the economy maybe beyond repair. The other thing is that we couldn't sustain the 'run away growth' that Trumps policies brought about either. They were needed after the 8 years of Obama. But four years of it was enough. That is why Trump was so demonized. He had to be brought down to save the economy. What you don't understand is that you were made to hate Trump. They didn't want Trump to wreck the economy by overstimulating it. It's all a chess game and you and I really don't even know who the players are. But they sure as hell aren't Trump or Biden. Sorry. I knew when I made my remark you would go long winded in this case showing your lack of knowledge about both how the economy works and just what powers a POTUS has, You did hit one nail I was made like most Americans to hate Trump not because of delusions made up by his subjects but from what I saw and heard the utterly incompetent bumbling life costing disaster do himself. If your theories were correct Trump wouldnt have lost pop to hilly he sure wouldn't have lost it all to Biden 2020 if your ideas were correct he would have won 2020,like many Trump subjects you are grasping, he will lose yet again. I'll see you in other topics. Edited May 22 by the13bats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+joc Posted May 22 #6460 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 17 minutes ago, the13bats said: Sorry. I knew when I made my remark you would go long winded in this case showing your lack of knowledge about both how the economy works and just what powers a POTUS has, You did hit one nail I was made like most Americans to hate Trump not because of delusions made up by his subjects but from what I saw and heard the utterly incompetent bumbling life costing disaster do himself. If your theories were correct Trump wouldnt have lost pop to hilly he sure wouldn't have lost it all to Biden 2020 if your ideas were correct he would have won 2020,like many Trump subjects you are grasping, he will lose yet again. I'll see you in other topics. I don't think you understood what I said. It doesn't matter who the POTUS is. They serve one main purpose...the maintenance of the debt. Whoever the PTB think we need is who will be POTUS. I don't think you understand the depth of their power. They control the oil, they control the media. As such they can manipulate the public to voting for their decision. Why is the public so predictable? Because they have divided us into manipulatable groups like the Left and the Right. See ya round...👍 Edited May 22 by joc 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted May 22 #6461 Share Posted May 22 14 minutes ago, joc said: I don't think you understood what I said. It doesn't matter who the POTUS is. They serve one main purpose...the maintenance of the debt. Whoever the PTB think we need is who will be POTUS. I don't think you understand the depth of their power. They control the oil, they control the media. As such they can manipulate the public to voting for their decision. Why is the public so predictable? Because they have divided us into manipulatable groups like the Left and the Right. See ya round...👍 I'll see you in a different rabbit hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acidhead Posted May 22 #6462 Share Posted May 22 13 hours ago, acidhead said: This seasons American Presidential championship edition seems to be shaping up to who loves the Israeli and Ukraine wars the most as if those conflicts have any factor in the lives of you common citizens. Truly bizarre behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKing Posted May 22 #6463 Share Posted May 22 3 hours ago, acidhead said: Well with hundreds of billions in tax dollars already invested in them,and moronic brainwashed minions closing down schools,roadways,ect in the name of peace over the beloved peaceful Palestinians... The common citizens are paying for it all,one way or the other. Seems you're a Canadian jealous of missing out on some kind of strange US hat wearing man love...or something 😆 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebra3 Posted May 22 #6464 Share Posted May 22 Rotting human remains, child rape among horrors of Biden’s immigration policy that are driving border agents to suicide in record numbers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 22 #6465 Share Posted May 22 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Zebra3 said: Rotting human remains, child rape among horrors of Biden’s immigration policy that are driving border agents to suicide in record numbers A clear, defined legal pathway for them to come here would stop all this- just saying. I know I would be upset if I saw dead kids caught up in barbed wire or fallen from a fence. Or hearing about child rape from smugglers. Maybe I am too soft hearted, but if a child in showed up at my door needing help, I would let them in. I would never put barbed wire and a wall to force them into the arms of smugglers. Edited May 22 by Gromdor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted May 22 #6466 Share Posted May 22 4 hours ago, Gromdor said: A clear, defined legal pathway for them to come here would stop all this- just saying. Theres no clear path? We dont issue visas at embassies, and tens of thousands of asylum cases, each year? Oh.... Maybe you mean theres no clear system for millions of people rushing the border to simply be allowed in legally?? Seems to me the coyotes think the current system is pretty straight forward. Collect a bunch of money. Give them fake documents. Bring them to the border. Push them across. They surrender immediately. Go to collection location. And processed. Claim asylum, even if it is a lie. Get a court date. Released into US general population. Move to Democrat controlled area. Best opinion is sanctuary city, or sanctuary state. Forget about court date, as city/state/Democrats will prevent ICE arrest. Repeat... Perfectly legal, as long as dont get caught outside of the safe areas. https://www.globalrefuge.org/news/what-are-sanctuary-cities-and-why-do-they-exist-lirs/#:~:text=Lists of Sanctuary States in,Washington Quote As of March 2021, the following states claim sanctuary status: California Colorado Connecticut Illinois Massachusetts New Jersey New Mexico New York Oregon Vermont Washington 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F3SS Posted May 22 #6467 Share Posted May 22 On 5/15/2024 at 11:55 PM, Gromdor said: If he was coached then his lawyer should be disbarred in addition to the fellow being charged for perjury. I personally don't have to believe anything. I can just state what was said under oath in court. The funny thing is that it wasn't just one guy: Judges Are Ignoring “Trump Made Me Do It” Capitol Riot Defense (buzzfeednews.com) Crazy would be hearing things that other people didn't hear. Clearly, many people heard the message, acted on it, and are trying to use it in court. Clearly many people are desperate and are just using the most basic finger pointing technique available. No doubt it's the go to defense for many and it's good to see judges laughing it away. Not sure what you're angle is besides "just stating what was said under oath". Given what I know of you, you're not just relaying information. You're creating confirmation bias by repeating silly defense arguments as proof that Trump gave marching orders. What is the part of that speech that you believe is where he gave orders? On 5/16/2024 at 2:43 AM, DieChecker said: Remember when all the leftist websites would count every "lie" Trump told? Now Biden says the same debunked things over and over again. Debunked by the same leftist media, but they excuse it with... "He's just a kind old man...". Hypocrisy is what it is. And everyone sees it. Biden's sadly going to lose in Nov. Probably by a ton. Probably the popular vote too. And regardless of the "mailed in" votes. Yea they always had some dumb, large specific number. Actually Trump told 31,354 verifiable lies that nobody would or could ever verify. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted May 22 #6468 Share Posted May 22 18 hours ago, Link of Hyrule said: If RFK wins, why would it matter how his voice sounds? Because he sounds exactly like what I imagine a death rattle to sound like. It does not engender trust (neither does “dodgy used car salesman” or “grandpa put past his bedtime” to be fair). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 22 #6469 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: Theres no clear path? We dont issue visas at embassies, and tens of thousands of asylum cases, each year? Oh.... Maybe you mean theres no clear system for millions of people rushing the border to simply be allowed in legally?? Seems to me the coyotes think the current system is pretty straight forward. Collect a bunch of money. Give them fake documents. Bring them to the border. Push them across. They surrender immediately. Go to collection location. And processed. Claim asylum, even if it is a lie. Get a court date. Released into US general population. Move to Democrat controlled area. Best opinion is sanctuary city, or sanctuary state. Forget about court date, as city/state/Democrats will prevent ICE arrest. Repeat... Perfectly legal, as long as dont get caught outside of the safe areas. https://www.globalrefuge.org/news/what-are-sanctuary-cities-and-why-do-they-exist-lirs/#:~:text=Lists of Sanctuary States in,Washington Clearly something is wrong or else Zebra would not have posted an article about border patrol commiting suicide after encountering corpses and raped children. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted May 22 #6470 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, F3SS said: Clearly many people are desperate and are just using the most basic finger pointing technique available. No doubt it's the go to defense for many and it's good to see judges laughing it away. Not sure what you're angle is besides "just stating what was said under oath". Given what I know of you, you're not just relaying information. You're creating confirmation bias by repeating silly defense arguments as proof that Trump gave marching orders. What is the part of that speech that you believe is where he gave orders? Yea they always had some dumb, large specific number. Actually Trump told 31,354 verifiable lies that nobody would or could ever verify. You know, you kind of answered yourself in your own post. See the bolded part? That is you recieving a message from me even though it is not spelt out. Now place yourself in a Trump follower's shoes. Trump speaks and given what they know of him, they know he is not just relaying information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Link of Hyrule Posted May 22 #6471 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Because he sounds exactly like what I imagine a death rattle to sound like. It does not engender trust (neither does “dodgy used car salesman” or “grandpa put past his bedtime” to be fair). It's a disability he has no control over! Does it affect his ability to talk? According to him, it doesn't! I haven't seen any evidence that it does, and I have seen a number of extended interviews. He actually seems to get better the longer he talks, so if you jump in through an interview he sounds much more natural than the first 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted May 22 #6472 Share Posted May 22 1 hour ago, Gromdor said: Clearly something is wrong or else Zebra would not have posted an article about border patrol commiting suicide after encountering corpses and raped children. I thought Trump built a wall a wall mexico was delighted to pay for that fixed all that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Razman Posted May 22 #6473 Share Posted May 22 7 hours ago, Zebra3 said: Rotting human remains, child rape among horrors of Biden’s immigration policy that are driving border agents to suicide in record numbers This kind of thing has been happening with all presidents for a long time. What do you suggest he do to stop it? They come a runnin in large numbers no matter what happens, they gonna do it anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Posted May 23 #6474 Share Posted May 23 25 minutes ago, Razman said: This kind of thing has been happening with all presidents for a long time. What do you suggest he do to stop it? They come a runnin in large numbers no matter what happens, they gonna do it anyway. More under Biden. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted May 23 #6475 Share Posted May 23 52 minutes ago, Razman said: This kind of thing has been happening with all presidents for a long time. What do you suggest he do to stop it? They come a runnin in large numbers no matter what happens, they gonna do it anyway. But Trump made such a a disaster of it like his life costing covid bumbling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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