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Government refuses to publish Brexit plan


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The UK government ramps up tension between the EU and the UK, but refuses to let the UK parliament examine it:

Britain’s Brexit chief has refused to publish details of his plans for changes to the Northern Ireland protocol, despite having already shared them with the EU.

Lord Frost said the legal text – which opposition parties want to scrutinise – was not a “new stage or evolution in our position” and simply reflected the UK’s position set out earlier in the summer.

But despite claiming that the text contained nothing new, and having already shared it with Brussels, the minister said he would not be making it public or allowing parliament to look at it.

Government refuses to publish Brexit plan legal text for scrutiny | The Independent

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We have an oven ready fantastic deal and it delivers what we all want:

 

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1 hour ago, The Silver Shroud said:

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The Government doesn't have a plan, because there is NO SOLUTION!

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It's like a divorce between a couple, where one of them misunderstood the definition of a marriage.

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7 hours ago, acute said:

Parliamentrary sovereignty is being undermined by an unelected bureaucrat. The UK used to get very worked up about that a few years ago, now we just accept it.

 

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The latest British Social Attitudes Survey, the most authoritative and insightful portrait of the changing views of the public, reveals that the country is as bitterly divided as ever. About nine out of 10 of Leave and Remain voters, respectively, hold firm to the vote they cast five momentous years ago. They’re not for turning. Maybe it’s not so surprising, given that Brexit still hasn’t been “done”, the government is currently attempting to renegotiate the UK-EU withdrawal agreement, and there is talk of the French cutting the electricity off because they can’t fish as they used to in UK waters. So there isn’t, even now, a Brexit that everyone can muster around in a spirit of shared national endeavour. On the contrary, the bitterness is as ugly as ever.

Not even possibly cancelling Christmas can change minds on Brexit – the nation is as bitterly divided as ever | The Independent

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that is because their plans do not involve you, why would they bother to tell their plans to plebs who will soon be replaced anyway,

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The Brexit vote was similar in context to a civil war within the UK, and it takes generation for the wounds to heal after a civil war. I predict it will take a similar amount of time and the divide may well cause more trouble down the line. Nothing is over and the conflict is just beginning.

 

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1 hour ago, Br Cornelius said:

The Brexit vote was similar in context to a civil war within the UK, and it takes generation for the wounds to heal after a civil war. I predict it will take a similar amount of time and the divide may well cause more trouble down the line. Nothing is over and the conflict is just beginning.

 

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And you claim to have a wife that visits the UK and reports back to you how things are here lol.

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11 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

And you claim to have a wife that visits the UK and reports back to you how things are here lol.

Indeed, families not talking to each other is the tip of the iceberg. I think you live in your own insulated bubble of unreality so its probably passed you by.

 

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11 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

The giggling doughboy is back.

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While your nose continues to grow like a certain wooden puppets.

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Your a tar baby cookie boy and I always regret acknowledging your existence

 

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22 hours ago, Br Cornelius said:

The Brexit vote was similar in context to a civil war within the UK, and it takes generation for the wounds to heal after a civil war. I predict it will take a similar amount of time and the divide may well cause more trouble down the line. Nothing is over and the conflict is just beginning.

 

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Ever since that magical day in June 2016, when 17.4million of us voted to leave the EU, the hunt has been on for signs of ‘Regrexit’. They’ll change their minds, Remainer agitators insisted. The ‘low-information’ throng that voted for the worst thing ever will eventually come to its senses, however depleted those senses might be, Remoaner commentators predicted. Every poll that uncovered the faintest signal of doubt among Leave voters, however thin the poll was, however leading its questions, was waved around as a justification for binning the whole thing and holding a second referendum. And yet the truth is, we really haven’t changed our minds. The vast majority of Brexiteers still love Brexit. We’d vote for it again if we could.

The myth of Regrexit has just taken another pounding, this time from the latest British Social Attitudes survey. As the Guardian sums it up, through gritted teeth no doubt.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/21/we-really-dont-regret-voting-for-brexit/

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10 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Ever since that magical day in June 2016, when 17.4million of us voted to leave the EU, the hunt has been on for signs of ‘Regrexit’. They’ll change their minds, Remainer agitators insisted. The ‘low-information’ throng that voted for the worst thing ever will eventually come to its senses, however depleted those senses might be, Remoaner commentators predicted. Every poll that uncovered the faintest signal of doubt among Leave voters, however thin the poll was, however leading its questions, was waved around as a justification for binning the whole thing and holding a second referendum. And yet the truth is, we really haven’t changed our minds. The vast majority of Brexiteers still love Brexit. We’d vote for it again if we could.

The myth of Regrexit has just taken another pounding, this time from the latest British Social Attitudes survey. As the Guardian sums it up, through gritted teeth no doubt.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/21/we-really-dont-regret-voting-for-brexit/

I think you left out Putin there feeding us propaganda lol.

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2 hours ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Ever since that magical day in June 2016, when 17.4million of us voted to leave the EU, the hunt has been on for signs of ‘Regrexit’. They’ll change their minds, Remainer agitators insisted. The ‘low-information’ throng that voted for the worst thing ever will eventually come to its senses, however depleted those senses might be, Remoaner commentators predicted. Every poll that uncovered the faintest signal of doubt among Leave voters, however thin the poll was, however leading its questions, was waved around as a justification for binning the whole thing and holding a second referendum. And yet the truth is, we really haven’t changed our minds. The vast majority of Brexiteers still love Brexit. We’d vote for it again if we could.

The myth of Regrexit has just taken another pounding, this time from the latest British Social Attitudes survey. As the Guardian sums it up, through gritted teeth no doubt.

https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/10/21/we-really-dont-regret-voting-for-brexit/

Which is why the country will remain deeply divided, and probably get more divided as the consequences of Brexit become ever clearer. There will not be a reconciliation for a very long time and Brexiters will not be forgiven by those who voted Remain.

However the demographic of Brexiters is massively skewed to older people so as they die off and the shiny uplands of Brexit glory fail to materialize the calls for a second referendum from younger Remainers will grow progressively stronger. This thing will not play out quickly.

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Great way to stir up a headline on a non issue.

It is the bleeding obvious why the government won't hand out a plan in an ongoing negotiation. 

How dumb does somebody have to be to get suckered by that headline from The (not all all) Independent?

Think people.

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

Which is why the country will remain deeply divided, and probably get more divided as the consequences of Brexit become ever clearer. There will not be a reconciliation for a very long time and Brexiters will not be forgiven by those who voted Remain.

However the demographic of Brexiters is massively skewed to older people so as they die off and the shiny uplands of Brexit glory fail to materialize the calls for a second referendum from younger Remainers will grow progressively stronger. This thing will not play out quickly.

Br Cornelius

Er....no, the demographic of Brexiteers is masively skewed to 95% of everybody outside of London & the only reason London mainly voted remain was because more than 50% of the population living there was born in a foreign country.

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But you're right when you say that this thing will not play out quickly, thing is though will the EU survive long enough?

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The EU is in as robust a shape as the UK, probably considerably better really.

Its very clear that age (as well as weight) played a decisive factor in how people voted and to deny this is just another example of how brexiters are wont to deny reality:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age/

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16 minutes ago, Br Cornelius said:

The EU is in as robust a shape as the UK, probably considerably better really.

Its very clear that age (as well as weight) played a decisive factor in how people voted and to deny this is just another example of how brexiters are wont to deny reality:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/520954/brexit-votes-by-age/

Br Cornelius

Well, to get your wish, Labour need to find somebody a bit (much) more electable than Kier Starmer, Dianne Abbot, Angela Rayner, Coybyn.....in fact any of the clowns that they've got at the moment. Until then...keep on dreaming.

Besides, do you really think that a politcal party that stands on the platform of ignoring & undoing the democratic process of a national referendum ( i.e. the only time the public get to have an input) would seriously survive the backlash. Just look what happened to the Lib Dums...your actual 'classic example' of a party that misjudged the mood of the public....spectacularly.

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1 hour ago, Br Cornelius said:

Which is why the country will remain deeply divided, and probably get more divided as the consequences of Brexit become ever clearer. There will not be a reconciliation for a very long time and Brexiters will not be forgiven by those who voted Remain.

However the demographic of Brexiters is massively skewed to older people so as they die off and the shiny uplands of Brexit glory fail to materialize the calls for a second referendum from younger Remainers will grow progressively stronger. This thing will not play out quickly.

Br Cornelius

You smell of desperation lol.

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24 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

Well, to get your wish, Labour need to find somebody a bit (much) more electable than Kier Starmer, Dianne Abbot, Angela Rayner, Coybyn.....in fact any of the clowns that they've got at the moment. Until then...keep on dreaming.

Besides, do you really think that a politcal party that stands on the platform of ignoring & undoing the democratic process of a national referendum ( i.e. the only time the public get to have an input) would seriously survive the backlash. Just look what happened to the Lib Dums...your actual 'classic example' of a party that misjudged the mood of the public....spectacularly.

The problem with this position is that it fails to acknowledge that Democracy is a shifting target and what was decided 5 years ago is not static and the future depends on the outcome of those earlier decision. Otherwise elections would always return the same party.
Brexit has made people poorer already and will continue to do so for years to come (this is based on government analysis) and that as always will be a deciding factor in future elections and future referendums.

 

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