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President Joe Biden said the US would defend Taiwan if China attacked, in an apparent departure from a long-held US foreign policy position.

But a White House spokesman later told some US media outlets that his remarks did not signify a change in policy.

The US has a law which requires it to help Taiwan defend itself.

But it pursues a policy of "strategic ambiguity," where it is deliberately vague about what it would actually do if China were to attack Taiwan.

China has yet to respond to Mr Biden's comments.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-59005300

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Oh the posturing of diplomacy...  what a web.

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White House backtracks after Joe Biden's pledge to defend Taiwan

The White House on Friday desperately sought to calm the waters after Joe Biden blundered over US policy on Taiwan.

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16 hours ago, Eldorado said:

The US has a law which requires it to help Taiwan defend itself.

I’d be interested in seeing this law.

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One can pass any law they want.

Enforcing it is an entirely different matter.

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Of course, once Emperor Xi puts his foot down, maybe decides to cause a bit of a ruckus by calling in the financial debts America owes China (small though they apparently are compared to America gross domestic spending) Sleepy Joe will deny having said anything.

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This guy is everything they told you Trump was going to be

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30 minutes ago, acidhead said:

This guy is everything they told you Trump was going to be

The Dems like to use Projection Tactics. Accuse others of what they're guilty of.

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If the US really does engage, it will be the first war since WWII that I would say is really justified. But I hope it does not happen.

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10 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Of course, once Emperor Xi puts his foot down, maybe decides to cause a bit of a ruckus by calling in the financial debts America owes China (small though they apparently are compared to America gross domestic spending) Sleepy Joe will deny having said anything.

China only holds approximately $1.1 trillion in American debt.  To give this some perspective the American government has recently on average been spending between $6 and $7.5 trillion per year.  As a percentage of GDP in ranges from about 33% to 40%.  I should mention numbers will vary among sources depending on how government expenditure is calculated, some just use federal government while others use federal, state, and local combined.

In general a lot of countries spend around 45% to 55% of GDP per year, if I remember correctly both France and Germany spend around 45% to 50% per year.

So if China did call in all its debt at one time, which would be unlikely given the shock to the global economy it would cause, America could afford it relatively easily.

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Chen claims to be the European bureau chief for China Daily but uses his presence on Twitter – a privilege not allowed regular Chinese citizens – to hurl abusive language at American politicians, as well as conservatives from other countries. His most high-profile embarrassing display occurred last year, when he decided to repeatedly call Senator Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) a “b****” for condemning the Chinese Communist Party, an institution that both the Biden and Trump administrations found guilty of genocide.

https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2021/10/22/chinese-propagandist-dismisses-taiwan-defense-biden-too-old-to-think-clearly/

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4 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

China only holds approximately $1.1 trillion in American debt.  To give this some perspective the American government has recently on average been spending between $6 and $7.5 trillion per year.  As a percentage of GDP in ranges from about 33% to 40%.  I should mention numbers will vary among sources depending on how government expenditure is calculated, some just use federal government while others use federal, state, and local combined.

In general a lot of countries spend around 45% to 55% of GDP per year, if I remember correctly both France and Germany spend around 45% to 50% per year.

So if China did call in all its debt at one time, which would be unlikely given the shock to the global economy it would cause, America could afford it relatively easily.

I’m well aware that it only sounds like a big number abd it could be easily paid …. If Congress agreed to pay it. What are the odds of that, though? It would be a little frustration, just a small thing to needle and annoy. And it would be a telling move to see how Joe reacts.

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On 10/22/2021 at 12:57 PM, Eldorado said:

White House backtracks after Joe Biden's pledge to defend Taiwan

The White House on Friday desperately sought to calm the waters after Joe Biden blundered over US policy on Taiwan.

MSN

From your link...

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When asked if the policy on Taiwan had shifted Ms Psaki said: "There has been no shift, the President was not announcing any change in our policy, nor has he made a decision to change our policy. There is no change in our policy."

Asked if Mr Biden's "unambiguous" sounding response had been "intentional," she said: "What I can convey to you is our policy has not changed. He's not intending to convey a change in policy, nor has he made a decision to change our policy."

Asked if the "commitment" Mr Biden spoke about included military intervention, she said: "As I said earlier, he wasn't announcing a change in policy."

What Psaki meant was, "Damn it, who let Joe speak to reporters again? He was entirely off script..."

Maybe he can't remember anymore that they tell him not to take questions. 

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Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., or TSMC, is the world's largest contract manufacturer of the semiconductor chips—otherwise known as integrated circuits, or just chips—that power our phones, laptops, cars, watches, refrigerators and more. Its clients include Apple, Intel, Qualcomm, AMD and Nvidia. Source
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Taiwan is now as important a strategic ally of the United States, as Saudi Arabia once was.

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16 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

China only holds approximately $1.1 trillion in American debt.  To give this some perspective the American government has recently on average been spending between $6 and $7.5 trillion per year.  As a percentage of GDP in ranges from about 33% to 40%.  I should mention numbers will vary among sources depending on how government expenditure is calculated, some just use federal government while others use federal, state, and local combined.

In general a lot of countries spend around 45% to 55% of GDP per year, if I remember correctly both France and Germany spend around 45% to 50% per year.

So if China did call in all its debt at one time, which would be unlikely given the shock to the global economy it would cause, America could afford it relatively easily.

It would never be paid. The debt the CCP defaulted on owed by China to the US was around one trillion and that's not allowing for interest or inflation.

China's secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion - oregonlive.com

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28 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

It would never be paid. The debt the CCP defaulted on owed by China to the US was around one trillion and that's not allowing for interest or inflation.

China's secret? It owes Americans nearly $1 trillion - oregonlive.com

It wasn't the CCP or China but that "Generalisimo" and chosen one New Hope of "China" and now the thug family pulling the underworld strings in Taipei province. 

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3 minutes ago, third_eye said:

It wasn't the CCP or China but that "Generalisimo" and chosen one New Hope of "China" and now the thug family pulling the underworld strings in Taipei province. 

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That's not how we see it. When a new government takes over a country, it either assumes or defaults on that country's foreign debt. That doesn't mean the the debt is forgiven. Since China set the precedent, should adversarial circumstance arise, we'll do the same, as each will, also, appropriate each other's assets in their respective countries. 

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1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

That's not how we see it.

This has nothing to do with opinions. That's what the bottom line of the book records. 

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1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

When a new government takes over a country, it either assumes or defaults on that country's foreign debt. That doesn't mean the the debt is forgiven.

That's right, if it was the country that was responsible. China did not receive the loans, that dictator General Chiang and his corrupt family did, and hid themselves with it. 

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1 minute ago, Hammerclaw said:

Since China set the precedent, should adversarial circumstance arise, we'll do the same, as each will, also, appropriate each other's assets in their respective countries. 

Uhmmmm... Your "We" here applies only to those desperate enough to bear false witness to the facts and historical context. 

Heck, this "We" that you lay your adjunct premise on doesn't even consider the similar possible conclusion to assets that has more materiality in your "country"

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1 minute ago, third_eye said:

This has nothing to do with opinions. That's what the bottom line of the book records. 

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That's right, if it was the country that was responsible. China did not receive the loans, that dictator General Chiang and his corrupt family did, and hid themselves with it. 

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Uhmmmm... Your "We" here applies only to those desperate enough to bear false witness to the facts and historical context. 

Heck, this "We" that you lay your adjunct premise on doesn't even consider the similar possible conclusion to assets that has more materiality in your "country"

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China's playing in the big league now, big army, navy, air force, space program, bent on amassing force projection capability. It can't expect nor does it want to be treated like a third world country anymore--except when it suits it's purpose. No, we're playing hardball, now--the kid gloves are off. All's fair in love and war, even if it's only a cold war. Welcome to the First World.

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9 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

All's fair in love and war, even if it's only a cold war.

A Civil war more likely, hot flashes too.

Best of luck to you. 

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9 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Welcome to the First World

Leaving so soon? 

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On 10/22/2021 at 8:57 PM, Eldorado said:

White House backtracks after Joe Biden's pledge to defend Taiwan

The White House on Friday desperately sought to calm the waters after Joe Biden blundered over US policy on Taiwan.

MSN

Makes you wonder who is really running the country. 

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1 hour ago, third_eye said:

A Civil war more likely, hot flashes too.

Best of luck to you. 

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Leaving so soon? 

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Civil War? Well ain't that the pot calling the kettle black. Yes our society is dynamic and changing, as opposed to one often static and subject to totalitarian oppression. Tanks are never sent into our streets to quell civil unrest. China's no paper tiger, it's an ornate piece of fragile porcelain, easily shattered and broken always by itself. 

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30 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Civil War? Well ain't that the pot calling the kettle black. Yes our society is dynamic and changing, as opposed to one often static and subject to totalitarian oppression.

Don't fire till you see the whites... of their eyes... 

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30 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Tanks are never sent into our streets to quell civil unrest.

You don't need to, your National Guard will just gun them down on campus, those wearing flowers, the kids all unarmed, each and all of them... 

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30 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

China's no paper tiger, it's an ornate piece of fragile porcelain, easily shattered and broken always by itself. 

Over five thousand years, China will survive... 

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42 minutes ago, third_eye said:

Don't fire till you see the whites... of their eyes... 

You don't need to, your National Guard will just gun them down on campus, those wearing flowers, the kids all unarmed, each and all of them... 

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Over five thousand years, China will survive... 

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A China will. There were a lot of different Chinas in that five thousand years. The only one thing about China, today, is the CCP. Our National Guard uses only unloaded weapons, now, if called up for civil unrest. 

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10 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

A China will.

You can't even tell the Qin from your chin, but hey, as long you're fine with your faith that floats, go HoHoHo your Merry Christmas... 

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10 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

There were a lot of different Chinas in that five thousand years. 

And none of which is yours or what you want, China will simply still be China. 

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10 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

The only one thing about China, today, is the CCP.

Well... That's propaganda 101 stuck in between the Cuba nuclear crisis and poor ol 'Jack with his brains blown out in Dallas and still missing to this very day. 

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10 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

Our National Guard uses only unloaded weapons, now, if called up for civil unrest. 

Yeah, just like on that movie set where Alec said he was told...

Camera! Lights! Action! 

Sorry you died ...

Business back to usual... 

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