WVK Posted November 2, 2021 #1 Share Posted November 2, 2021 (edited) In this one, Dr. Miano gets two questions about ancient polygonal masonry, and the inevitable questions about the great Inca fortress of Sacsayhuaman. How was it built? An interview with architect Vincent Lee sheds some light on the issues. CONTENTS 00:00 Introduction 02:32 Ancient Greek polygonal masonry 05:31 Ancient Italian polygonal masonry 06:04 Intro to Sacsayhuaman 12:05 Vincent Lee on Inca stone quarrying 17:53 Vincent Lee on Inca stone transportation 24:35 Vincent Lee on stone placement at Sacsayhuaman 31:59 Vincent Lee's theory of stone placement at Sacsayhuaman 43:56 The worldwide polygonal masonry phenomenon CONTENTS 00:00 Introduction 02:32 Ancient Greek polygonal masonry 05:31 Ancient Italian polygonal masonry 06:04 Intro to Sacsayhuaman 12:05 Vincent Lee on Inca stone quarrying 17:53 Vincent Lee on Inca stone transportation 24:35 Vincent Lee on stone placement at Sacsayhuaman 31:59 Vincent Lee's theory of stone placement at Sacsayhuaman 43:56 The worldwide polygonal masonry phenomenon Edited November 2, 2021 by Saru Fixed title, video embed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 2, 2021 #2 Share Posted November 2, 2021 Long ago I posted a link to a book written by a Spanish chronicler accompanying the Spanish conquistadores (or he was one of the conquistadores) whose written words showed that the Spaniards were witness of part of the construction of Saqsayhuaman. As far as I know, nothing out of the ordinary was recorded. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 9, 2021 Author #3 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 2:05 PM, Abramelin said: Long ago I posted a link to a book written by a Spanish chronicler accompanying the Spanish conquistadores (or he was one of the conquistadores) whose written words showed that the Spaniards were witness of part of the construction of Saqsayhuaman. As far as I know, nothing out of the ordinary was recorded. That said, do you find the method described plausible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted November 9, 2021 #4 Share Posted November 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, WVK said: That said, do you find the method described plausible? Yes. However you probably didn't. What evidence do you find the most compelling in support of that contention? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 9, 2021 Author #5 Share Posted November 9, 2021 36 minutes ago, Hanslune said: Yes. However you probably didn't. What evidence do you find the most compelling in support of that contention? Best so far as the molded, acid softened, focused light theory’s have bitten the dust. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted November 10, 2021 #6 Share Posted November 10, 2021 8 hours ago, WVK said: Best so far as the molded, acid softened, focused light theory’s have bitten the dust. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 10, 2021 #7 Share Posted November 10, 2021 On 11/9/2021 at 5:42 PM, WVK said: That said, do you find the method described plausible? I just finished watching the video, and yes, I found Lee's method plausible. But... I'd like to see him and a team recreate just a part of a wall the size of Saqsayhuaman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wistman Posted November 11, 2021 #8 Share Posted November 11, 2021 (edited) A relevant video from Ancient Architects: I found this worth while. 47:14 Edited November 11, 2021 by Wistman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramelin Posted November 11, 2021 #9 Share Posted November 11, 2021 On 11/2/2021 at 6:38 PM, WVK said: In this one, Dr. Miano gets two questions about ancient polygonal masonry, and the inevitable questions about the great Inca fortress of Sacsayhuaman. How was it built? An interview with architect Vincent Lee sheds some light on the issues. CONTENTS 00:00 Introduction 02:32 Ancient Greek polygonal masonry 05:31 Ancient Italian polygonal masonry 06:04 Intro to Sacsayhuaman 12:05 Vincent Lee on Inca stone quarrying 17:53 Vincent Lee on Inca stone transportation 24:35 Vincent Lee on stone placement at Sacsayhuaman 31:59 Vincent Lee's theory of stone placement at Sacsayhuaman 43:56 The worldwide polygonal masonry phenomenon CONTENTS 00:00 Introduction 02:32 Ancient Greek polygonal masonry 05:31 Ancient Italian polygonal masonry 06:04 Intro to Sacsayhuaman 12:05 Vincent Lee on Inca stone quarrying 17:53 Vincent Lee on Inca stone transportation 24:35 Vincent Lee on stone placement at Sacsayhuaman 31:59 Vincent Lee's theory of stone placement at Sacsayhuaman 43:56 The worldwide polygonal masonry phenomenon For those who didn't watch the video, this is the link to Vincent Lee's website: http://vince-lee.com/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 11, 2021 Author #10 Share Posted November 11, 2021 12 hours ago, Abramelin said: I just finished watching the video, and yes, I found Lee's method plausible. But... I'd like to see him and a team recreate just a part of a wall the size of Saqsayhuaman. The difficulty of lifting suspending lowering is not well explained. Apparently they had no problem sliding the stones to the site. If so maybe they fit the pieces in the horizontal sliding them togeather chipping, away until done. Them assemble the shaped stones vertically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 11, 2021 Author #11 Share Posted November 11, 2021 4 hours ago, WVK said: The difficulty of lifting suspending lowering is not well explained. Apparently they had no problem sliding the stones to the site. If so maybe they fit the pieces in the horizontal sliding them togeather chipping, away until done. Them assemble the shaped stones vertically Pre shaped stones could lowered from the raised area behind the wall being built https://www.rainforestcruises.com/guides/sacsayhuaman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 11, 2021 Author #12 Share Posted November 11, 2021 14 minutes ago, WVK said: Pre shaped stones could lowered from the raised area behind the wall being built https://www.rainforestcruises.com/guides/sacsayhuaman https://www.istockphoto.com/photo/tourists-at-the-incan-archaelogical-site-of-saqsaywaman-cusco-peru-gm544593490-97917277 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 13, 2021 Author #13 Share Posted November 13, 2021 On 11/11/2021 at 6:55 AM, WVK said: The difficulty of lifting suspending lowering is not well explained. Apparently they had no problem sliding the stones to the site. If so maybe they fit the pieces in the horizontal sliding them togeather chipping, away until done. Them assemble the shaped stones vertically So, any reason that wouldn’t work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted November 14, 2021 #14 Share Posted November 14, 2021 nap024-004.pdf (berkeley.edu) Harte 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 14, 2021 Author #15 Share Posted November 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Harte said: nap024-004.pdf (berkeley.edu) Harte I understand that no examples of any flipped on it’s back being processed.have been found. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted November 14, 2021 #16 Share Posted November 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, WVK said: I understand that no examples of any flipped on it’s back being processed.have been found. Do you mean an unfinished and abandoned stones? There are number of those or do you mean something else? How do you determine what a stone's 'back' is by the way? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 14, 2021 Author #17 Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Hanslune said: Do you mean an unfinished and abandoned stones? There are number of those or do you mean something else? How do you determine what a stone's 'back' is by the way? Yes an lack of unfinished stone that could have to fit into the wall. The face of which would point up as it was worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted November 14, 2021 #18 Share Posted November 14, 2021 1 hour ago, WVK said: Yes an lack of unfinished stone that could have to fit into the wall. The face of which would point up as it was worked. I understand the first sentence but how would you determine the second? A number of Inca site were left unfinished due to the Spanish invasion you'd have to check the imagery and papers about those sites. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 15, 2021 Author #19 Share Posted November 15, 2021 19 hours ago, Hanslune said: I understand the first sentence but how would you determine the second? A number of Inca site were left unfinished due to the Spanish invasion you'd have to check the imagery and papers about those sites. Ok. is there any evidence that shaping the stone horizontally then stacking vertically wouldn’t work or was not done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted November 15, 2021 #20 Share Posted November 15, 2021 15 minutes ago, WVK said: Ok. is there any evidence that shaping the stone horizontally then stacking vertically wouldn’t work or was not done? You didn't answer my question nor does it appear you read my second sentence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 15, 2021 Author #21 Share Posted November 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, Hanslune said: You didn't answer my question nor does it appear you read my second sentence. 41 minutes ago, Hanslune said: You didn't answer my question nor does it appear you read my second sentence. I spoke too soon, i need study the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted November 15, 2021 #22 Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 hours ago, WVK said: Please and let us know what you determine. You also might try contacting the writer of that paper (is still alive of course) and the guy the who did the V and see if they click on anything, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WVK Posted November 16, 2021 Author #23 Share Posted November 16, 2021 16 hours ago, Hanslune said: Please and let us know what you determine. You also might try contacting the writer of that paper (is still alive of course) and the guy the who did the V and see if they click on anything, I think most on this board could produce a reasonable detailed MOP for the shape horizontally, stack vertically method. I have yet to see such for the vertical figment theory. Isn’t that the reason the alternative theorys exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted November 17, 2021 #24 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Acid softened. What acid? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted November 18, 2021 #25 Share Posted November 18, 2021 21 hours ago, Trelane said: Acid softened. What acid? I believe it is this: https://www.siftdesk.org/article-details/On-the-reddish-glittery-mud-the-Inca-used-for-perfecting-their-stone-masonry/264 Quote FeS2 + 3O2 = FeSO4 + SO2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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