Duke Wellington Posted November 25, 2019 #76 Share Posted November 25, 2019 On 3/3/2005 at 1:30 PM, suddendeath said: Hi there!! I am trying to get as much info on Ancient Flying machines of the Atlanteans and the Ancient Indians - the Vailixi and Vimanas. Those who know real good stuff or where i could find research them pleasse help me out! The force of gravity was known long before Isaac Newton. Newton was simply the first to describe it using mathematics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_gravitational_theory The ancient Indians knew about it too and this is where things start to get odd. The Mahabharata has an implicit (not explicit) understanding of General Relativity. There is a story of a king flying off too another planet aboard a UFO to meet a God. The flight there and back was a few months but when the King returned 1000s of years had passed here on Earth. https://enigmose.com/timespace_hindu.html So what were they doing with a working knowledge of time dilation causes by General Relativity? And more to the point what was the UFO the King flew off on? Where did it come from and who made it? Or was it all just a sci-fi story with implicit knowledge in. Why did Stephen Hawking say the Vedas have a superior version of Relativity compared to Einstein? What did he find in the texts: https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/hawking-said-vedas-have-theory-superior-to-einstein-s-e-mc-2-s-t-min-vardhan-118031600545_1.html I personally checked out English translations through the free Sacred Texts website and there is material which sounds like its about immorality, nuclear weapons, lasers, cloning, and a whole variety of others. There are UFO writings and instructions on making a craft that uses mercury as fuel to run an ion propulsion drive. NASA has developed its own mercury powered ion propulsion drives some of which are in use today on satellites. I remember an article about it 20 years ago (but I cannot remember where from) saying that NASA scientists were eager to test what they had read in the Vedas about mercury propulsion. Here is a NASA paper on it https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890012463.pdf where they have mercury propulsion ion drive technology. In the Vedas I remember in one story where they were heating containers filled with liquid mercury. When a container of water is heated a circulation develops inside (hot water rising, cold water falling). But with mercury the eddy currents in the metal stop this and result in the liquid metal rotating inside the container like a tornado. With the mercury being a liquid metal this induced the flow of electric current in nearby gases turning its molecules into ions. That includes mercury vapour! And hence, they knew how to construct mercury ion drives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted November 25, 2019 #77 Share Posted November 25, 2019 9 hours ago, Piney said: I put up both of Colavitos links. Colavito has never addressed the supposed vailixi flyers of Atlantis in his blog. He told me it's too obscure to bother with. Not many ever bring it up. Hart 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted November 25, 2019 #78 Share Posted November 25, 2019 59 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: The force of gravity was known long before Isaac Newton. Newton was simply the first to describe it using mathematics: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_gravitational_theory The ancient Indians knew about it too and this is where things start to get odd. The Mahabharata has an implicit (not explicit) understanding of General Relativity. There is a story of a king flying off too another planet aboard a UFO to meet a God. The flight there and back was a few months but when the King returned 1000s of years had passed here on Earth. The story doesn't say anything about flying. 59 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: https://enigmose.com/timespace_hindu.html So what were they doing with a working knowledge of time dilation causes by General Relativity? And more to the point what was the UFO the King flew off on? Where did it come from and who made it? Or was it all just a sci-fi story with implicit knowledge in. Why did Stephen Hawking say the Vedas have a superior version of Relativity compared to Einstein? What did he find in the texts: The story displays no "working knowledge" of relativity. Being in the presence of Brahma was the reason. 59 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/hawking-said-vedas-have-theory-superior-to-einstein-s-e-mc-2-s-t-min-vardhan-118031600545_1.html I personally checked out English translations through the free Sacred Texts website You must not have checked too thoroughly, as the story you're talking about comes from the Vishnu Purana, not the Mahabharata. 59 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: and there is material which sounds like its about immorality, nuclear weapons, lasers, cloning, and a whole variety of others. There are UFO writings and instructions on making a craft that uses mercury as fuel to run an ion propulsion drive. From a channeled text written in the 20th century. 59 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: NASA has developed its own mercury powered ion propulsion drives some of which are in use today on satellites. I remember an article about it 20 years ago (but I cannot remember where from) saying that NASA scientists were eager to test what they had read in the Vedas about mercury propulsion. No doubt some fringe website. NASA's ion drives don't run on mercury - they ionize xenon for a propellant - and even if they did, ion drives don't work in the atmosphere (they require near- vacuum because they can't even overcome air resistance) and are far too weak to use to escape Earth's gravitational well at any rate. 59 minutes ago, RabidMongoose said: Here is a NASA paper on it https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890012463.pdf where they have mercury propulsion ion drive technology. In the Vedas I remember in one story where they were heating containers filled with liquid mercury. When a container of water is heated a circulation develops inside (hot water rising, cold water falling). But with mercury the eddy currents in the metal stop this and result in the liquid metal rotating inside the container like a tornado. With the mercury being a liquid metal this induced the flow of electric current in nearby gases turning its molecules into ions. That includes mercury vapour! And hence, they knew how to construct mercury ion drives. That's certainly not how an ion drive works. And while it's true that NASA investigated using mercury (to ionize into the propellant,) They dismissed it early on because of its mass and because of the danger it presents for contamination/poisoning. Something the ancient Hindus knew nothing at all about. Rather ignorant, for a space faring race. Harte 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted November 25, 2019 #79 Share Posted November 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Piney said: That link looks like Theosophist trash. Enter a Hindu or Sikh Temple, tell them you want to convert and see how that works out for you. Depends. I use to hire lots of people from India and have known people to convert or revert to Hinduism. As I write books about India (set in the 1830's) I know of a large number of Englishmen who became Hindu's also - or 'going native'. The most famous being Hindu Stuart. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Stuart_(East_India_Company_officer) (the below paraphrased from the Wiki on Hinduism and conversion) In the modern era, religious conversion from and to Hinduism has been a controversial subject. Some state the concept of missionary conversion, either way, is anathema to the precepts of Hinduism. Religious conversion to Hinduism has a long history outside India. Merchants and traders of India, particularly from the Indian peninsula, carried their religious ideas, which led to religious conversions to Hinduism in southeast Asia. Within India, archeological and textual evidence such as the 2nd-century BCE Heliodorus pillar suggest that Greeks and other foreigners converted to Hinduism. The debate on proselytization and religious conversion between Christianity, Islam and Hinduism is more recent, and started in the 19th century. Religious leaders of some Hindu reform movements such as the Arya Samaj launched Shuddhi movement to proselytize and reconvert Muslims and Christians back to Hinduism, while those such as the Brahmo Samaj suggested Hinduism to be a non-missionary religion. All these sects of Hinduism have welcomed new members to their group, while other leaders of Hinduism's diverse schools have stated that given the intensive proselytization activities from missionary Islam and Christianity, this "there is no such thing as proselytism in Hinduism" view must be re-examined. The appropriateness of conversion from major religions to Hinduism, and vice versa, has been and remains an actively debated topic in India, and in Indonesia - some for it some against. Presently Hindu Fundamentalism is against it due to racist more than religious reasons. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted November 25, 2019 #80 Share Posted November 25, 2019 1 minute ago, Hanslune said: In the modern era, religious conversion from and to Hinduism has been a controversial subject. Some state the concept of missionary conversion, either way, is anathema to the precepts of Hinduism. Many American Hindus have issues with the cultural theft and distortion like Natives. The local Temples here what no parts of somebody who wasn't raised Hindu. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted November 25, 2019 #81 Share Posted November 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Harte said: Colavito has never addressed the supposed vailixi flyers of Atlantis in his blog. He told me it's too obscure to bother with. Not many ever bring it up. Hart Ah, so it’s /professional/ level stupid. —Jaylemurph 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Spartan Posted November 26, 2019 #82 Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) Bah. Humbug! Bloody Necroposters!!!! Edited November 26, 2019 by The_Spartan 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaylemurph Posted November 26, 2019 #83 Share Posted November 26, 2019 18 minutes ago, The_Spartan said: Bah. Humbug! Bloody Necroposters!!!! ...said the living necropost! —Jaylemurph 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanslune Posted November 26, 2019 #84 Share Posted November 26, 2019 11 hours ago, Piney said: Many American Hindus have issues with the cultural theft and distortion like Natives. The local Temples here what no parts of somebody who wasn't raised Hindu. Some sects and devotees of this and that have different ideas. Kinda like Christians. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mello_ Posted November 26, 2019 #85 Share Posted November 26, 2019 No I was thinking on text around 10th century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted December 5, 2019 #86 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) On 11/25/2019 at 3:03 PM, RabidMongoose said: NASA has developed its own mercury powered ion propulsion drives some of which are in use today on satellites. I remember an article about it 20 years ago (but I cannot remember where from) saying that NASA scientists were eager to test what they had read in the Vedas about mercury propulsion. Here is a NASA paper on it https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19890012463.pdf where they have mercury propulsion ion drive technology. Further research have shown that while mercury is a good propellant for an ion drive in theory, in practice it is not very suitable. Its expensive, corrosive and toxic. Xenon is a much better option. Actual spacecrafts with ion engines, such as Deep Space 1 and SMART-1 uses xenon. The Soviets have used ion propulsion since the early 70's and they too used xenon as propellant. Additionally using mercury in an atmospheric craft would be an ecological disaster of massive proporsions. Even small amounts of mercury is toxic, now imagine a fleet of vehicles spewing the stuff into the atmosphere. Quote In the Vedas I remember in one story where they were heating containers filled with liquid mercury. When a container of water is heated a circulation develops inside (hot water rising, cold water falling). But with mercury the eddy currents in the metal stop this and result in the liquid metal rotating inside the container like a tornado. With the mercury being a liquid metal this induced the flow of electric current in nearby gases turning its molecules into ions. That includes mercury vapour! And hence, they knew how to construct mercury ion drives. Except thats not how an ion drive works. Basically an ion drive works by electrostatically accellerating ions and use their momentum to create thrust. They need a lot of electricity if you want a high power to weight ratio. Ion drives a great for a slow and steady acceleration, but they are very bad if you want high acceleration, hence why we use chemical rockets to get into orbit. Edited December 5, 2019 by Noteverythingisaconspiracy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Noteverythingisaconspiracy Posted December 5, 2019 #87 Share Posted December 5, 2019 On 11/24/2019 at 5:29 AM, executioners said: "....goes on to tell the awesome destructiveness of the war...." the destructiveness is not "awesome"! "....Vimanas, were saucer shaped,...." not all, there were and different types here is a Rukma vimanika from http://www.crystalinks.com/vimanas.html The great thing about this design is that if you turn on all the engines you would go nowhere, 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted December 5, 2019 #88 Share Posted December 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: The great thing about this design is that if you turn on all the engines you would go nowhere, Much like this conversation. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted December 5, 2019 #89 Share Posted December 5, 2019 On 3/4/2005 at 12:30 AM, suddendeath said: Hi there!! I am trying to get as much info on Ancient Flying machines of the Atlanteans and the Ancient Indians - the Vailixi and Vimanas. Those who know real good stuff or where i could find research them pleasse help me out! Don't bother poking about on conspiracy websites trying to get info, as it's all wrong and misleading. There is literally zero information that suggests that Atlanteans had any flying craft in Plato, and Plato is the only real source for Atlantis. As to Vimanas and Vailixi, they are found in the Mahabarata, which is a huge Indian Epic and probably the central text of Hinduism. The various gods are said to use the Vimanas were used as combat aircraft and personal transports while the Vailixi are huge cylindrical troop transports. It is certainly interesting that such a style of warfare could be envisaged by the writers of the book, as that displays notable imagination. Generally deities are depicted with wings or clouds or a fiery wheel akin to a comet if they have the power of flight, yet the Mahabarata is interesting in that it clearly suggests they are mechanical devices, even if the notion of heating mercury for propulsion would not work. On 9/6/2007 at 8:15 AM, inaweofme said: Well I read that Chariots of the Gods book. Or even though his ideas are kinda off you can try Zecharia Sitchin. He thinks that we are a seeded civilization that could not have evolved without extraterrestial help. Yeah, Sitchen is a theological neo-colonialist. He thinks that people are basically more stupid than himself, which is partly true as they continue to buy his books. The fact is, archaeology tells a far less ambiguous story than many "Chariots of the Gods" and "Ancient Alien Theorists" would have you believe. They are salesfolk of the woo woo. There is clear evidence of human evolution on Earth, and the notion that we needed space people to tell us what to do is absurd. I put it to you, look how many mythologies there are in the world. If humanity were helped by aliens and this were the source of our belief in gods, then the gods themselves would be far more uniform, and it is very likely that we would have far fewer separate languages than we presently do, as really, what is the point of being unable to speak to one another? If the aliens were trying to raise up human civilization, why not teach us all a uniting language? Instead we get the story of Babel, which is inconsistent with deities who want to help us at all. This is not to suggest Ooparts aren't interesting, or that the present dating system and eurocentric view of history doesn't need some re-writing, as chauvanistic French scholars of the nineteenth century were determined to write a world history where France was always the center of human culture, and many other societies stupidly and uncritically fell into line. The problem with the "Chariots of the Gods" is that when you say "a wizard did it" and then you hear "ancient alien theorists agree", it doesn't really get you anywhere, as essentially this argument forms a theological perspective, and where are the gods now? It also denigrates the lives and labors of the people who made up the civilizations responsible for actually doing the work, and humanity in general. Essentially Zecharia is anti-human. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted December 5, 2019 #90 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Just wanted to point out that "vailixi" is a made-up word for a made-up aircraft that first appeared in the 1960s. The term cannot be found in any ancient text. Harte 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psyche101 Posted December 5, 2019 #91 Share Posted December 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said: The great thing about this design is that if you turn on all the engines you would go nowhere, On 11/25/2019 at 11:06 PM, BorizBadinov said: That's just the look they were going for to create fear in thier enemies. Actually it's just a balsa wood structure covered in cloth and aluminum paint. It was then filled with hydrogen. They were very effective until those blasted flaming arrows came along. History does repeat itself.... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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