Golden Duck Posted November 25, 2021 #126 Share Posted November 25, 2021 7 hours ago, preacherman76 said: What’s funny about that GD? Your irony 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted November 26, 2021 #127 Share Posted November 26, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 11:21 PM, DieChecker said: I think if someone wanted Trumps opinion on having only one religion, he'd be confused and not get what he was being asked. Because the idea is just so ridiculous. Even Mao's China, and North Korea, had many practicing religion in secret. Theres no way a one religion mandate could work in the US. Even the old Soviet Union had a provision in its constitution respecting the rights of citizens to their own forms of religious supersticion. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted November 27, 2021 #128 Share Posted November 27, 2021 On 11/14/2021 at 5:23 PM, Eldorado said: “If we are going to have one nation under God, which we must, we have to have one religion," he said. "One nation under God, and one religion under God.” Secular government cannot deliver a non-secular result, and the U.S. Constitution is a secular document. Anyone who doesn’t understand this is simply ignorant and should be ignored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted November 29, 2021 #129 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/27/2021 at 4:03 AM, Raptor Witness said: Secular government cannot deliver a non-secular result, and the U.S. Constitution is a secular document. Anyone who doesn’t understand this is simply ignorant and should be ignored. What if a secular result is what you're looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted November 29, 2021 #130 Share Posted November 29, 2021 56 minutes ago, Doug1066 said: What if a secular result is what you're looking for? The freedom of religion also means the freedom to worship no one, except perhaps yourself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted November 29, 2021 #131 Share Posted November 29, 2021 On 11/24/2021 at 6:51 PM, DieChecker said: Yeah Antifa is a b****. Antifa is mostly a figment of Trump's imagination and a few of his QAnon nut jobs; although there are a few around for real. Antifa people have committed one murder since Charlottsville and may have committed a second. Compare that with over 40 for the right-wingnuts. https://theconversation.com/fact-check-us-is-there-an-antifa-threat-in-the-united-states-as-donald-trump-claims-150555 Antifa is a threat that isn't. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted November 29, 2021 #132 Share Posted November 29, 2021 5 hours ago, Raptor Witness said: The freedom of religion also means the freedom to worship no one, except perhaps yourself. Or worship a figment of one's own imagination. Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptor Witness Posted November 30, 2021 #133 Share Posted November 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Doug1066 said: Or worship a figment of one's own imagination. Doug Perhaps, but who gets to decide the “figment?” Freedom means “we the people” decide, not the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted November 30, 2021 #134 Share Posted November 30, 2021 4 hours ago, Doug1066 said: Antifa is a threat that isn't. Doug I think all the downtown Portland businesses that have folded up, and the boarded up windows over ten plus blocks, would tend to disagree with you. Theres even a Portland Antifa Facebook page that they use to pre-setup brick piles, and shield and club caches before they go riot. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted November 30, 2021 #135 Share Posted November 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Raptor Witness said: Perhaps, but who gets to decide the “figment?” Freedom means “we the people” decide, not the state. The IRS already decides who's a church and who isn't. Those who are a church don't have to pay income taxes. Churches (profit-making businesses) are exempt from many local taxes. They free-load on police, fire, street lighting, streets, water, sewer and other services without paying for their use. The state you live in decides which of these is a church. In Oklahoma, churches can have a savings account. But atheists have to have a $1500 minimum balance. "We the people" do not have a right to choose their own religion. They already lost it. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted November 30, 2021 #136 Share Posted November 30, 2021 1 hour ago, DieChecker said: I think all the downtown Portland businesses that have folded up, and the boarded up windows over ten plus blocks, would tend to disagree with you. Theres even a Portland Antifa Facebook page that they use to pre-setup brick piles, and shield and club caches before they go riot. Portland is better-organized than most. But how many of those rumors you're reporting were the work of right-wing attack squads? Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethereal_scout Posted November 30, 2021 #137 Share Posted November 30, 2021 Isn't this a suggestion to prevent any group of quacks setting up a Church calling themselves "Christians" then getting on with causing as much misery for other people as they can manage in direct contradiction to the teachings of the gospels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted November 30, 2021 #138 Share Posted November 30, 2021 6 hours ago, ethereal_scout said: Isn't this a suggestion to prevent any group of quacks setting up a Church calling themselves "Christians" then getting on with causing as much misery for other people as they can manage in direct contradiction to the teachings of the gospels. Well…. Prosperity Gospel Churches already exist…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted November 30, 2021 #139 Share Posted November 30, 2021 On 11/15/2021 at 9:07 AM, RavenHawk said: It doesn’t really matter because it raised a good question. Even though this nation is Christian dominated (and there is nothing wrong with that), this is still the most tolerant of religion in the world. I think Flynn was referring to morals rather than a particular religion. And hence, implying that this nation needs to be moral and not immoral. As long as we remain a moral people, the full promise of the Constitution will be realized. But once we travel down the immoral path, decay and destruction follows. That has never been my experience that the christian religion is tolerant, nor even the most tolerant. I think Buddhism is tolerant, a major tenant of that religion, but nothing I have ever seen indicates tolerance is taught as part of the christian religion. AND the foundation of this country (U.S.) is freedom of religion, which indicates that there is more than one religion allowed in this country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted November 30, 2021 #140 Share Posted November 30, 2021 17 hours ago, Doug1066 said: Portland is better-organized than most. But how many of those rumors you're reporting were the work of right-wing attack squads? Doug Anifa is prone to violent battles with far-right groups. As they say, it takes two to tango and without extreme-right hate groups to battle, there would be no Antifa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa Doug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DieChecker Posted December 1, 2021 #141 Share Posted December 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Doug1066 said: Anifa is prone to violent battles with far-right groups. As they say, it takes two to tango and without extreme-right hate groups to battle, there would be no Antifa. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rose_City_Antifa Doug That almost sounds like support for vigilantism. Vigilantism /vɪdʒɪˈlæntɪzəm/ is the act of enforcement, investigation or punishment of perceived offenses without legal authority.[1] Kind of like when a Far Right group gets a permit to demonstrate and Antifa shows up and a bsttle/riot ensues. One side git permission to be there and one didn't. FYI, Portland doesn't give permits to far right organizations anymore, but back in Trump days it did happen, and the Left always showed up to fight. Antifa are criminals, not heros. At least in Portland this is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug1066 Posted December 1, 2021 #142 Share Posted December 1, 2021 9 hours ago, DieChecker said: Vigilantism /vɪdʒɪˈlæntɪzəm/ is the act of enforcement, investigation or punishment of perceived offenses without legal authority.[1] You mean like Kyle Rittenhouse? I agree that Antifa engages in criminal acts and should be held to account, the same as Proud Boys, MAGA rioters and others. BUT: If the police can't/won't protect demonstrators, then somebody has to do the job. Doug 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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