Paranoid Android Posted August 14, 2022 #301 Share Posted August 14, 2022 (edited) 21 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: That glosses over way too much in my view, that's like saying that football teams all have an offensive and defensive strategy and they all score touchdowns and from that point of view they are all equally good at it. Just because everything is biased it does not follow that everything is biased to the same degree or equally, that so far is the flaw I see in your argument and seems to just be an assumption you are making. To an extent I can see your point. In one sense you are right - some sources lean more left or right than other sources. MSNBC, for example, is even further left leaning than CNN. I am happy to concede this point. What I mean by "equally biased" is that they are all promoting their ideology, which is a clearly left wing ideology. Most media companies lean heavily left. This is partly on account that most mainstream media outlets require university degrees, and universities have leaned left for decades meaning that graduates from universities are more often than not going to lean left. That filters down to media companies leaning left. If you have time, I highly recommend the following video - history of media and how bias in the media has changed. 21 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said: That to me is a very skewed way to view these statistics, I think we've talked about this before. I don't know how you are making these psychological assumptions about people based on a for instance 5% difference in the 'Distrust' levels between Fox and CNN. If we agree that the 40% distrust of Fox qualifies it for 'biased right-wing' then it makes zero sense to me that a slight decrease to 35% distrust level is assumed to be 'the real news'. I have no idea where you're getting that, why isn't it 'slightly less biased left-wing news', why did you just totally ignore the distrust level of CNN like it's zero or something? To elaborate on the flaw I mentioned above, show me your evidence that the distrust levels between CNN and Fox News do not actually perfectly represent the actual difference in bias between them. To me, that seems like a very complicated and subjective question for laymen, do you go by strictly sheer amount of time on biased programming, do you provide a measure based on how biased it is and give that more weight, do you provide a measure for stories that 'should be' but are not covered? You feel confident in your knowledge and experience to be able to determine and measure any of that? If you've got some kind of study or something which shows or justifies your claim that every other mainstream network is viewed as 'real news' that would help. 5% difference is HUGE. Especially when this is also split by politics in many ways, meaning the 5% total is somewhat inaccurate - and it's fair to say an extra 5% of democrats (which probably makes the number closer to 8-9% difference among a particular demographic - see this article, for example - already added on to the shared distrust that Fox and CNN/MSNBC/NYT/etc have). It's basic statistics, and it's a very significant increase. Perhaps an analogy will help. If 5% isn't that big, then give an extra 5% vote tally to the loser of the next election or the last election and see how the results turn out. In all honesty I find it hard to fathom that you cannot see how 5% is a huge difference when we're talking about entire country populations and trends. Either I'm significantly overvaluing statistics, or you're significantly undervaluing them. Edited August 14, 2022 by Paranoid Android 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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