Shoplifting and looting becoming more common

[Doug1066]

13 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Oh, but in this case, yes I do.  It's because of our activist left wing defund the police city council.

[Doug1066]

14 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Oh, but in this case, yes I do.  It's because of our activist left wing defund the police city council.

I'd rather hear it from somebody who knew what he was talking about.

Doug

[Doug1066]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Chicago pop 2.7 million

Seattle pop 700,000

There you go.  Numbers mean something but they don't mean everything.

You need to control for city size.

Doug

[Myles]

 

 

The surge in organized retail theft will shutter storefronts and further drive up costs for consumers already grappling with high inflation, economists at the Heritage Foundation said. 

"If companies can't increase their costs to cover the cost of the theft, if they're not making a profit, then they're going to go out of business," Andrew Puzder, the former CKE Restaurants CEO and a visiting fellow at Heritage, told Fox News. 

In 2021, retail "shrink," or thefts, cost the industry $94.5 billion in losses, up 4% year-over-year and nearly double the $50.6 billion in 2018, according to data from the National Retail Federation. The report shows cases of organized retail crime rings — where thieves are hired to steal specific items to be resold online — have surged more than 26% from the year prior. 

"You've got this incredible expense that really comes from a lack of policing," 

"You've seen these groups come in. They destroy everything," he continued. "They break everything and they steal what they can."

Target expects to lose over $600 million in gross profit by the end of the year due to shrinkage from shoplifters, the company's CFO, Michael Fiddelke, said on an earnings call earlier this month. 

"This is an industry-wide problem that is often driven by criminal networks, and we are collaborating with multiple stakeholders to find industry-wide solutions," Fiddelke said.

Puzder blamed the surge in crime on progressives' soft-on-crime policies like how New York and California raised the threshold so theft under $1,000 or $950, respectively, would only be a misdemeanor rather than a felony.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/rampant-retail-theft-making-inflation-worse-threatens-bleeding-businesses-economists-say

[+Desertrat56]

@OverSword I just thought of something.  Is it possible the city council is priming the city for a huge private security company coming in to take over what the police are not doing?   I have seen this scenario in sci fi stories and it makes sense in the case you are talking about.   This country is going towards privatization in a lot of government functions.   Privatizing prisons, county management,  I saw evidence of this recently, Tyler Technologies, a company I used to work for when they only supplied software for county and small city government, is now providing county assessors people to do the bi annual property assessments.   This company has no competition on any large scale and can underbid local companies just by their sheer size.  Why not private security or police?

Edited November 30, 2022 by Desertrat56

[+OverSword]

7 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

@OverSword I just thought of something.  Is it possible the city council is priming the city for a huge private security company coming in to take over what the police are not doing?   I have seen this scenario in sci fi stories and it makes sense in the case you are talking about.   This country is going towards privatization in a lot of government functions.   Privatizing prisons, county management,  I saw evidence of this recently, Tyler Technologies, a company I used to work for when they only supplied software for county and small city government, is now providing county assessors people to do the bi annual property assessments.   This company has no competition on any large scale and can underbid local companies just by their sheer size.  Why not private security or police?

I doubt it.  These are people that are convinced that sending counselors in place of police is what should happen most of the time.  They don't believe in prisons or empowering corporations.  I'm sure most of them will be ousted in 2024.  They are ideologues who feel that police in America are inherently racist and violent and are the true cause of our woes after republicans.  Our city council is mainly socialists.

[+OverSword]

16 minutes ago, Myles said:

 

 

The surge in organized retail theft will shutter storefronts and further drive up costs for consumers already grappling with high inflation, economists at the Heritage Foundation said. 

"If companies can't increase their costs to cover the cost of the theft, if they're not making a profit, then they're going to go out of business," Andrew Puzder, the former CKE Restaurants CEO and a visiting fellow at Heritage, told Fox News. 

In 2021, retail "shrink," or thefts, cost the industry $94.5 billion in losses, up 4% year-over-year and nearly double the $50.6 billion in 2018, according to data from the National Retail Federation. The report shows cases of organized retail crime rings — where thieves are hired to steal specific items to be resold online — have surged more than 26% from the year prior. 

"You've got this incredible expense that really comes from a lack of policing," 

"You've seen these groups come in. They destroy everything," he continued. "They break everything and they steal what they can."

Target expects to lose over $600 million in gross profit by the end of the year due to shrinkage from shoplifters, the company's CFO, Michael Fiddelke, said on an earnings call earlier this month. 

"This is an industry-wide problem that is often driven by criminal networks, and we are collaborating with multiple stakeholders to find industry-wide solutions," Fiddelke said.

Puzder blamed the surge in crime on progressives' soft-on-crime policies like how New York and California raised the threshold so theft under $1,000 or $950, respectively, would only be a misdemeanor rather than a felony.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/rampant-retail-theft-making-inflation-worse-threatens-bleeding-businesses-economists-say

Exactly.  Soft policy on crime encourages criminals.  I see it daily here.  You would really have to be pretty pig headed to deny that correlation.

[+Desertrat56]

8 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I doubt it.  These are people that are convinced that sending counselors in place of police is what should happen most of the time.  They don't believe in prisons or empowering corporations.  I'm sure most of them will be ousted in 2024.  They are ideologues who feel that police in America are inherently racist and violent and are the true cause of our woes after republicans.  Our city council is mainly socialists.

Now you have gone to the dark side of second guessing people you don't know personally, it is actually starting to sound like you are being peevish.   

In a most recent cases where police shot someone in Albuquerque it was because the police were the wrong people to be showing up.   A woman called for an ambulance to take her schizophrenic son to the hospitatl as he was having an episode.  He was in his front yard and had no weapon, but police showed up instead and they threatened him instead of assessing the situation and calling for an ambulance so in the end they shot him because he would not acknowledge their authority, as it made no sense to him.  He was in his own yard crying and yelling, but no threat to anyone.     You really think the police, untrained to determine when to keep their guns in the holsters, are the right call on this one?   I could list many many more, and eventually the city of Albuquerque police was sued by the Feds, The FEDs got involved because this type of thing happened a lot.   So, there has to be perspective.   AND police need better training.  Dispatchers need better training to determine who to send, and there is no reason you can't send a cop escorting a mental health professional.   

Edited November 30, 2022 by Desertrat56

[+OverSword]

12 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Now you have gone to the dark side of second guessing people you don't know personally, it is actually starting to sound like you are being peevish.   

 

You can say that if you want.  I'm going by what they say and do.  They are mainly socialists, it's listed on the ballot.  They tax big business so much that jobs are taken out of the city.  They have defunded our police force.  Their supporters rioted and formed the CHOP/CHAZ wherein they gave speeches of encouragement, meanwhile people were being raped, murdered, stolen from, and extorted in their new socialist wonderland policed by gang members with semi automatic weapons. They decriminalized drugs leading to open air drug markets.  The drugs in these places, easily available are funded by shop lifting and breaking the windows of any car parked in the vicinity to steal the contents. Sorry but you really don't know what you're talking about.

[Gromdor]

To be blunt regarding the "Defund the Police" argument.  The police don't prevent crimes, they just arrest people after the fact.

It's why there is an across the board rise in crime in all cities and not just those that "Defund the Police".   I'd be interested in seeing the "Crime Solved" rates in the various cities, but I am not sure if they track that.

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

To be blunt regarding the "Defund the Police" argument.  The police don't prevent crimes, they just arrest people after the fact.

It's why there is an across the board rise in crime in all cities and not just those that "Defund the Police".   I'd be interested in seeing the "Crime Solved" rates in the various cities, but I am not sure if they track that.

That's usually true.  But to be blunt when there are only enough police to respond to one in five 911 calls, and the response time is 15 to 20 minutes then you don't have enough police.   Even one of the defunders felt the pinch

https://www.capitolhillseattle.com/2022/10/somebody-is-throwing-bags-of-poop-in-kshama-sawants-yard-and-spd-reportedly-doesnt-give-a-****/

Here my own defunder actually has then nerve to complain that the SPD doesn't have the manpower to investigate who is throwing dog **** in her yard.

Edited November 30, 2022 by OverSword

[+DieChecker]

Challenge....

If things are so bad in Republican areas, please post articles of the Reoblican citizens complaining about it 

Conflagrating murder rates with overall crime is a cop out. It is being used to hand wave the obvious Democrat caused issues.

Even Mother Jones, Slate and CNN, have posted articles calling for politicians to not act soft on crime in the run up to the election.

The obvious problem, as in Portland, is the attacks on the Police Departments have caused as much as 30% of many departments to leave. 

In Portland this means that to try to stem the Covid uptick in violence nationwide, that more officers then normal were required to contain violent crime. CONGRATS Democrat citys/states for maintaining lower violence rates. The cost, again as in Portland, is minor crime is Through The Roof. Up 100% in some areas. Like in auto theft in Portland from 2019 rates.

This thread is about these minor crimes and how IGNORING THEM is ruining these cities.

AFAIK Republican states aren't ignoring them.

I'll look into the per capita minor crime rates of Portland, Seattle and Tulsa...

Other thing is the DELTAS of violence in various cities from preCovid to Now. If there's no real change in R states, they'll not be complaining, bit I know many D cities/states the rates significantly increased. The CHANGE is what people are concerned about, not if their city compares favorably with another city 10 states away.

[el midgetron]

 

 

 

 

 

[Likely Guy]

44 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

 

 

 

 

 

Hell, if I saw a guy dressed like that outside a store, I'd call the cops and tell the place is about to be robbed.

[pellinore]

1 hour ago, el midgetron said:

 

 

This is what happens when you don't have guns freely available, lol:

 

 

 

Edited December 7, 2022 by pellinore

[itsnotoutthere]

 

[Myles]

29 minutes ago, itsnotoutthere said:

 

A bullet in each of their heads would be nice.

[Zebra3]

3 hours ago, Myles said:

A bullet in each of their heads would be nice.

Or reparations, apparently.

Edited December 21, 2022 by Zebra3

[el midgetron]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 25, 2022 by el midgetron

[el midgetron]

 

 

 

 

[Myles]

On 12/25/2022 at 1:29 AM, el midgetron said:

 

 

 

 

So they got the guy and the people still burnt and destroyed stuff?   Dumb people. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

2 hours ago, Myles said:

So they got the guy and the people still burnt and destroyed stuff?   Dumb people. 

They’re French. Riots are so routine that the locals have a calendar telling them who is is sparking off on which day!

[el midgetron]

 

 

 

 

[Myles]

 

 

U.S. Marine recruiters intervened recently to stop a smash-and-grab jewelry heist at a Los Angles shopping mall, tackling two of the four suspects to the ground as they attempted to flee.

Marine Staff Sgt. Josue Fragoso was meeting with an applicant at his recruiting station two doors down from Daniel’s Jewelers in the Del Amo Fashion Center in Torrance when he heard glass shattering and loud screams from bystanders, he told Fox News on Wednesday.

Fragoso and his potential recruit sprinted toward the jewelry store, where four people wearing masks and armed with hammers were destroying the glass display cases before running off with thousands of dollars of jewelry.

"I heard a bunch of glass breaking. When I did, my first response was to go check out the jewelry store," Fragoso said in an interview on "Tucker Carlson Tonight." " I had to make sure everything was all right. As I approached the jewelry store, I saw four individuals that were robbing the store. They had a sledgehammer there."

In video footage that aired on Fox News, Fragoso can be seen tackling one of the suspects to the ground as the others fled to the nearest exit. The applicant and a second Marine recruiter managed to apprehend a second suspect with the help of bystanders, Fragoso said.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/marine-recruiters-california-smash-grab-jewelry-heist-tackle-fleeing-suspects

[el midgetron]

Edit**** On second thought I don’t think it’s appropriate due to violence,  

 

 

Edited December 30, 2022 by el midgetron