School shooting Michigan

[+DieChecker]

34 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I wonder if she is disappointed in Trump or if she thinks he was kept from the goals she set for him by the devil.

Sounds like she's waiting on her Messiah to arise a second time.

[+susieice]

55 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

Did they just leave their son high and dry?

It sure looks like that's what they intended to do. If they could have gotten away, they would have.

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

9 hours ago, ethereal_scout said:

Are they REQUIRED to attend school where they are? What I'm saying is if someone under the Age of Consent took a couple of days off school would they find the Police/Social Services etc at their door with paperwork to drag them back to school?

Yes, although on average it takes more then “a couple of days” for the boys in blue to turn up at the door. And no one is dragged by the police anywhere, the parents at worst might cop a fine. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

8 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

McDonald said Friday that the parents were called in after a teacher saw disturbing drawings on Crumbley’s desk. 

 

The school should have called in the police right away just seeing those drawings. the police would have gone to his locker and find the gun and  send him home with his parents  before the killings

Because there is a sector of society that will scream blue bloody murder if someone is suspended from school on a mere suspicion or the police are called on a suspicion held by a teacher. That the school was “villainising a victim” and there was no way anyone could have known what was to come after that. That sector of society is loud enough to cause havoc for the school/school district in question.

[+susieice]

NBC Nightly News had a long opening segment about this because it's so unusual. Sadly, I just caught the very end of it. Hope I can find it on YouTube. They questioned if the school dropped the ball here too. I really think 20/20 or Dateline will be airing a program about this case in the near future.

[thedutchiedutch]

14 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Children are fundamentally powerless in society, yet live in a world wherein they are taught to be empowered changemakers, that their opinions matter and they have rights and a voice. To discover just how disempowered they are, can lead to chaos. 

I beg to differ and really depends on the country and culture you live in. 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

22 minutes ago, susieice said:

NBC Nightly News had a long opening segment about this because it's so unusual. Sadly, I just caught the very end of it. Hope I can find it on YouTube. They questioned if the school dropped the ball here too. I really think 20/20 or Dateline will be airing a program about this case in the near future.

What could the school legally have done? Suspension without grounds?

[+susieice]

45 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

What could the school legally have done? Suspension without grounds?

The drawings would have been grounds. That's making threats. Kids have been suspended for less than that. The parents resisted sending him home.

The news said the school knew as much as the parents about this kid's thoughts. They ordered the parents to put the kid into counselling within 48 hours. But, on my own here, the parents knew this kid had a gun. The school did not.

Edited December 5, 2021 by susieice

[+susieice]

Here's video of the arraignment. Each count of involuntary manslaughter carries a sentence of 15 years.

 

[+joc]

On 11/30/2021 at 9:51 PM, Nuclear Wessel said:

The sad part about all of this is the fact that it’s not even shocking to hear about shootings anymore. 

It's only going to get worse.   They have all but stopped enforcing traffic laws...this has led to wide spread anarchy on our roads.  Widespread anarchy grows like a cancer.  

[+DieChecker]

3 hours ago, susieice said:

The drawings would have been grounds. That's making threats. Kids have been suspended for less than that. The parents resisted sending him home.

The news said the school knew as much as the parents about this kid's thoughts. They ordered the parents to put the kid into counselling within 48 hours. But, on my own here, the parents knew this kid had a gun. The school did not.

I'd say the drawings alone would not, but the context of all that was observed together is very powerful. 

I used to draw sword fights because I played Dungeons and Dragons. But I wasn't going to stab anyone. This kid had Multiple red flags though. And then the parents buy him a pistol? Teach him to use it and buy him ammo? C'mon....

Referring to suspension.... There was a grade school kid here in Beaverton, I think, who at age 9, suspended for making the finger gun with "bang" noises. THAT... I think is too much...

Edited December 5, 2021 by DieChecker

[+susieice]

This is NBC Nightly News from tonight. The segment about the shooting is first.

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by susieice

[el midgetron]

Michigan has a strong hunting culture. It is totally normal for parent to teach their kids how to use a gun. It’s part of learning how to properly handle a gun (if you have responsible parent). I didn’t grow up with guns in the house, I never learned from my parents how to handle a gun, they didn’t hunt or own firearms. As an adult, when I decided I wanted to own a gun I took a hunters safety class, I was the old weirdo in the class, most of the rest were underage kids accompanied by their parents, 

I forgot to add, passing a hunters safety course is required to obtain a hunting license in Michigan. Most of the kids in my class learned to shoot at home, they were just getting proper credentials from the state, 

Edited December 5, 2021 by el midgetron

[jmccr8]

5 hours ago, susieice said:

NBC Nightly News had a long opening segment about this because it's so unusual. Sadly, I just caught the very end of it. Hope I can find it on YouTube. They questioned if the school dropped the ball here too. I really think 20/20 or Dateline will be airing a program about this case in the near future.

Hi Susieice

Not sure what's happened in the school system but My parents didn't need to be called in for me to be suspended for being suspected(no evidence other than smell) smoking in the boys room. That happened like right now.

[el midgetron]

8 minutes ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Susieice

Not sure what's happened in the school system but My parents didn't need to be called in for me to be suspended for being suspected(no evidence other than smell) smoking in the boys room. That happened like right now.

What exactly happened with your suspension? I’ve been wondering about this with this case. I’ve heard the parents refused to take the boy home from school. Can a school, just eject a minor onto the street outside of the normal expectation as of coming and going from school? If the school believes the kid to be a threat, why are they obligated to keep him on campus? 

[jmccr8]

1 minute ago, el midgetron said:

What exactly happened with your suspension? I’ve been wondering about this with this case. I’ve heard the parents refused to take the boy home from school. Can a school, just eject a minor onto the street outside of the normal expectation as of coming and going from school? If the school believes the kid to be a threat, why are they obligated to keep him on campus? 

Hi El Midgetron

Beats me It has been several decades since I went to school and things seem pretty soft to me these days.

School is weird to start with I had a Christian Ethics teacher in high school that would wander the halls looking for me when I skipped because nobody else in class would speak to him and all we did was argue.

I wasn't dangerous but did have fun and got suspended a couple of times and my parents found out after the fact and not invited to a meeting. I got invited and took 10 on each hand and showed the door.

[el midgetron]

Ok, I thought you said it happened right now. 

[jmccr8]

2 minutes ago, el midgetron said:

Ok, I thought you said it happened right now. 

No man I am an old dog .I had calluses from getting strapped.

[+susieice]

1 hour ago, jmccr8 said:

Hi Susieice

Not sure what's happened in the school system but My parents didn't need to be called in for me to be suspended for being suspected(no evidence other than smell) smoking in the boys room. That happened like right now.

I went to school in the early 70's and I don't remember parents being called in when someone was suspended either. You were called into the office and told you were suspended and sent home. Parents couldn't refuse the suspension and insist you go back to class either. Getting caught smoking on school property was a big cause of suspensions back then.

Edited December 5, 2021 by susieice

[Silver]

4 hours ago, el midgetron said:

Michigan has a strong hunting culture. It is totally normal for parent to teach their kids how to use a gun. It’s part of learning how to properly handle a gun (if you have responsible parent). I didn’t grow up with guns in the house, I never learned from my parents how to handle a gun, they didn’t hunt or own firearms. As an adult, when I decided I wanted to own a gun I took a hunters safety class, I was the old weirdo in the class, most of the rest were underage kids accompanied by their parents, 

I forgot to add, passing a hunters safety course is required to obtain a hunting license in Michigan. Most of the kids in my class learned to shoot at home, they were just getting proper credentials from the state, 

 

[Eldorado]

[Buzz_Light_Year]

1 hour ago, Eldorado said:

The family that Sprays together stays together.

[+joc]

3 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

 

it's a chart...and charts just state things without any explanation...so...allow me to present one (an explanation)

To begin with...The USA has over 300 million people.  Not to be understated, a majority of those people are armed in some fashion.

But being armed isn't a bad thing.  So let me explain what is happening/has been happening in the USA and why.

It's complicated.  Freedom is always complicated.  Our court systems are lax...politicians are lax...the proletariat is lax...we have turned into a bunch of coddlers, trying to understand why people do things...what went wrong and where and how do we keep that from happening again.  It's the wrong premise in my opinion.  The emphasis should be on Punishment of such crimes.  But then again, we have a complex legal system as well.  It isn't Gun Control that is needed.  It is People Control.  

People are out of control in the US...there is no one saying you cannot say this or that....you cannot watch this or that...

our entertainment industry tells us what is entertaining...and what they tell us is that murder, sex, violence of all kinds is entertaining.  We in the USA are being programmed in that fashion by the Entertainment Industry.  Garbage in/Garbage out.  Why is it okay to show videos/movies/TV where people are murdering, raping, etc.  when it is against the law to actually do those things?  

So much of who we are is in our DNA sequencing codes...but programming is a very important role in obtaining 'choices' regardless of what our personality/character dna sequencing makes us.

[Silver]

18 minutes ago, joc said:

it's a chart...and charts just state things without any explanation...so...allow me to present one (an explanation)

To begin with...The USA has over 300 million people.  Not to be understated, a majority of those people are armed in some fashion.

But being armed isn't a bad thing.  So let me explain what is happening/has been happening in the USA and why.

It's complicated.  Freedom is always complicated.  Our court systems are lax...politicians are lax...the proletariat is lax...we have turned into a bunch of coddlers, trying to understand why people do things...what went wrong and where and how do we keep that from happening again.  It's the wrong premise in my opinion.  The emphasis should be on Punishment of such crimes.  But then again, we have a complex legal system as well.  It isn't Gun Control that is needed.  It is People Control.  

People are out of control in the US...there is no one saying you cannot say this or that....you cannot watch this or that...

our entertainment industry tells us what is entertaining...and what they tell us is that murder, sex, violence of all kinds is entertaining.  We in the USA are being programmed in that fashion by the Entertainment Industry.  Garbage in/Garbage out.  Why is it okay to show videos/movies/TV where people are murdering, raping, etc.  when it is against the law to actually do those things?  

So much of who we are is in our DNA sequencing codes...but programming is a very important role in obtaining 'choices' regardless of what our personality/character dna sequencing makes us.

So your reply boils down to: if we could censor violence out of our popular culture, there would be less or no violent crime? 

[+joc]

37 minutes ago, The Silver Shroud said:

So your reply boils down to: if we could censor violence out of our popular culture, there would be less or no violent crime? 

Pretty much.  It's always been an interesting thing to me that in America, there is literally a church of some kind on every corner...and all these churches preach Love and Peace...while at the same time, we are one of the most violent countries on the planet.  

The truth is...Law Enforcement works.  Censorship works.  Gun Control also works.  For decades we have had irresponsible government, an irresponsible Media, and an irresponsible population.  

Two of the most notorious, nasty, vile, violent and loathsome individuals that ever walked the face of the earth were Bonnie Parker and Clyde Barrows.  Hollywood turned them into Heros...Superstars!  Yeah, yeah, yeah...Freedom of speech...and yet, if I yell FIRE while I watch a Hollywood production on the big screen...I will be arrested, jailed, prosecuted and fined if not imprisoned.  But it's okay to show people on the big screen killing and raping each other.  It isn't about Freedom of Speech at all...it is about lack of responsibility.  No responsibility in Government, no responsibility in Media, and no responsibility in Society.  What do you expect?  A lessening of violence?  

Hollywood popularizes gun violence...while at the same time preaching Gun Control.  Meanwhile...A very popular Hollywood Actor shoots and kills someone with a prop gun on the set...

...what do you expect?