School shooting Michigan

[Gunn]

5 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

 

So long as local and federal authorities are not enforcing current terroristic threat and gun laws, Greenberg can forget anymore gun control laws. What a good example? One name - Kyle Rittenhouse. Remember when he made threats on a video about shooting looters running out of a store? Well there you go. All you anti-gun zealots think about that.

[toast]

4 hours ago, Eldorado said:

*snipped disgusting image*

The whole family suffer a psychological disorder and should seek for professional help soon. And I have no idea what exacty the message of such "greeting" should be or of any other image with people showing their weapons with a moronic grin.

[spartan max2]

29 minutes ago, toast said:

The whole family suffer a psychological disorder and should seek for professional help soon. And I have no idea what exacty the message of such "greeting" should be or of any other image with people showing their weapons with a moronic grin.

Eh, we took a family pic once of us all holding guns (as adults). 

None of us have ever shot anyone to my knowledge lol 

[toast]

1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

Eh, we took a family pic once of us all holding guns (as adults).

Ok, but for what reasons with guns?

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, toast said:

Ok, but for what reasons with guns?

Don't know really. My dad wanted to because felt like it would be cool I guess (probably from being a big fan of the God Father type movies lol). Him and my older brother both have a bit of guns, they sort of collect them. 

It wasent a holiday themed picture, but it is on Facebook. If any of us ever shoot anyone I'm sure news will love finding that picture .

[+DieChecker]

7 hours ago, Eldorado said:

So the "Us and Them" definition is based on if... This is a family you'd want to spend time with... Or, this is a family that frightens you.

They appear to be white middle class Christians with lots of children. That alone will scare most far left progressives. 

[+DieChecker]

9 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

 

What I've found in the past is that such examples cherry pick OUT the nations that create a fail. 

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-that-the-us-leads-the-world-in-mass-shootings/

And then the author of such lists can self define what is a mass shooter, and what year to use, and so on....

Edited December 5, 2021 by DieChecker

[+Desertrat56]

21 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Yes, although on average it takes more then “a couple of days” for the boys in blue to turn up at the door. And no one is dragged by the police anywhere, the parents at worst might cop a fine. 

It's different in Australia than it is in the U.S.

[el midgetron]

10 hours ago, The Silver Shroud said:

 

Most often a mass shooting are defined as being when three people (can include the perpetrator) are shot.

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In the wake of a deadly shooting with four or more deaths, reporters have sometimes cited statistics on mass shootings, of which there are typically hundreds per year; but only one person dies on average during a mass shooting, and nearly half are family massacres in private homes, Fox says.

“Another significant share are gang-related shootings, drug-related, or armed robberies,” Fox says. “Very few are the random indiscriminate public slaughters that everyone is afraid of.”

https://news.northeastern.edu/2021/06/30/the-myths-and-the-realities-of-mass-shootings-in-the-us-today/

One detail I forgot to include in my previous comment about hunting culture and kids learning to shoot, that basically always involves a long gun. Buying a 15 year old a handgun doesn’t really fit those parameters, especially since the firearm wasn’t securely stored. 

[Gromdor]

1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

So the "Us and Them" definition is based on if... This is a family you'd want to spend time with... Or, this is a family that frightens you.

They appear to be white middle class Christians with lots of children. That alone will scare most far left progressives. 

Just out of curiosity.  What in the photo makes you think they are Christian?

Edited December 5, 2021 by Gromdor

[+DieChecker]

7 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

Just out of curiosity.  What in the photo makes you think they are Christian?

Mostly thrown in to increase the "They trigger me" factor of a true atheistic leftist. (Trigger... get it?)

Nothing specifically says Christ though they probably are not high density urban people, unless they're "rich". White, rural, big family people, more often then not, are Christian of some denomination.

[+Desertrat56]

20 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Just out of curiosity.  What in the photo makes you think they are Christian?

It's the guns.   

[+Desertrat56]

On 12/4/2021 at 5:08 PM, susieice said:

NBC Nightly News had a long opening segment about this because it's so unusual. Sadly, I just caught the very end of it. Hope I can find it on YouTube. They questioned if the school dropped the ball here too. I really think 20/20 or Dateline will be airing a program about this case in the near future.

There is a news item in today's local paper about a family suing the school for negligence over an incident where their child was killed (a middle school!) The kid was able to carry the gun onto school grounds in his backpack and was seen showing it to some kids before he shot the boy he killed.  He even told the kids that he was going to kill that particular boy.   Our high schools have metal detectors that the kids have to pass through in order to get inside the buildings as well as police on site but no one thought it would be necessary at middle schools.

[+Desertrat56]

On 12/4/2021 at 5:47 PM, susieice said:

The drawings would have been grounds. That's making threats. Kids have been suspended for less than that. The parents resisted sending him home.

The news said the school knew as much as the parents about this kid's thoughts. They ordered the parents to put the kid into counselling within 48 hours. But, on my own here, the parents knew this kid had a gun. The school did not.

yep, in the 90's my nephew got suspended for wearing a trench coat and being taller than the teachers in middle school.  (no, there was a little more than that, but he was targeted)

[+Desertrat56]

On 12/4/2021 at 11:46 PM, susieice said:

I went to school in the early 70's and I don't remember parents being called in when someone was suspended either. You were called into the office and told you were suspended and sent home. Parents couldn't refuse the suspension and insist you go back to class either. Getting caught smoking on school property was a big cause of suspensions back then.

we are probably about the same age, and that is how it was when I was in school too.

[+Desertrat56]

On 12/5/2021 at 9:18 AM, toast said:

The whole family suffer a psychological disorder and should seek for professional help soon. And I have no idea what exacty the message of such "greeting" should be or of any other image with people showing their weapons with a moronic grin.

And it seems the father of the group is an elected official.  That is very disturbing.  The most disturbing is that they were not just guns, they were all automatic rifles, of no use for hunting.

Edited December 6, 2021 by Desertrat56

[Golden Duck]

20 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Just out of curiosity.  What in the photo makes you think they are Christian?

Thomas Massie

[+susieice]

Police are questioning the Detroit artist in who's studio the parents were found. He is cooperating with police.

https://news.yahoo.com/detroit-artist-interviewed-police-allegedly-094741822.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ8H456O7_5rURe4HyZNsBtK0WLQo6A0HTRXuikgbMi_9-gLzTqJ7D0Z4X6iKkKKpCut9eQtVhD90WC6Zh-qHasIsorMYHd8qpkFTrZ2Yse9IyU9qUwWKgZYqY--NSRzyQpjkbcN6hVefY2rhVZ7KzZeSbvYfaQm-NHx7Wnm6IgR

The owner of an art studio where Oxford High School shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley’s parents went into hiding was not aware that the couple were wanted by authorities because he doesn’t watch the news, according to his attorney.

Andrzej Sikora, the Detroit-based artist, said he did not know about the charges against James and Jennifer Crumbley or that the two had stayed the night at his studio on Friday after he went home, his attorney Clarence Dass said on Sunday.

Mr Dass said the Crumbleys went to his client’s studio on Friday morning when he was not aware of the charges pressed against them. The 65-year-old artist shared a “friendly relationship” with the couple, the attorney said, but did not share more details as the matter was under investigation.

 

When Mr Sikora woke up on Saturday and saw the news of police officials taking the teenager’s parents into custody, he informed the authorities.

His attorney Mr Dass said the couple had gone to him for safety.

“There was a lot of confusion and the Crumbleys went to him for safety. He did not know about the charges,” Mr Dass said. “They were there in the daytime. He left in the early evening. He did not even know they were still there,” he added.

[+susieice]

The school had the right to check Ethan Crumbley's backpack and didn't.

https://sports.yahoo.com/michigan-school-shooting-administrators-had-175233623.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAJ8H456O7_5rURe4HyZNsBtK0WLQo6A0HTRXuikgbMi_9-gLzTqJ7D0Z4X6iKkKKpCut9eQtVhD90WC6Zh-qHasIsorMYHd8qpkFTrZ2Yse9IyU9qUwWKgZYqY--NSRzyQpjkbcN6hVefY2rhVZ7KzZeSbvYfaQm-NHx7Wnm6IgR

Oxford High School officials had the legal right to search shooting suspect Ethan Crumbley’s backpack and locker before he opened fire on classmates but failed to do so, Oakland County Prosecutor Karen McDonald has said.

“We don’t know exactly if that weapon was in his bag, where it was, we just know it was in the school and he had access to it,” she told CNN on Monday.

“We haven’t ruled out charging anyone,” she added when asked if charges are being considered are being considered against the school in Michigan.

All three family members are being held at the Oakland County Jail facility in Pontiac, with staff checking on them “multiple times an hour”, according to Oakland County Sheriff Michael Bouchard.

The sheriff added on a press conference on Saturday that they cannot communicate with each other and that he didn’t think Mr Crumbley had been made aware of the arrests of his parents.

“He wouldn’t have been made aware that we were searching for his parents since he’s in isolation, and it’s not like we have a TV clicker in his hands,” Mr Bouchard said.

 

[ethereal_scout]

On 12/5/2021 at 7:14 PM, DieChecker said:

They appear to be white middle class Christians with lots of children

okay, other are debating it. If they're simply "you are nothing and better of dead, really" then they're satanists IMO.

[F3SS]

On 12/3/2021 at 5:31 PM, Desertrat56 said:

I don't remember the sandy hook shooters ever being described as "normal, happy kids".  I doubt that this one was either and the brother is just making thiings up or has not had enough experience to recognize that his family is just messed up.

Just tore through this thread and didn't see anyone correct this but Sandy Hook was one lone shooter who by no accounts looked or seemed normal.

 

 

On 12/4/2021 at 12:45 AM, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Nah, school did everything it could to prevent it bryond suspending the boy and we can all imagine the reaction to a suspicion based on a few drawings and a fear held by the teacher(s).

 

On 12/4/2021 at 5:24 PM, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Because there is a sector of society that will scream blue bloody murder if someone is suspended from school on a mere suspicion or the police are called on a suspicion held by a teacher. That the school was “villainising a victim” and there was no way anyone could have known what was to come after that. That sector of society is loud enough to cause havoc for the school/school district in question.

 

You are making a wild implication that most gun advocates specialize in kneejerk reactions to anything related to the matter. Sure, the kids who make gun gestures with their fingers or the one who got suspended for biting his pop-tart into an abstract shape of gun warrant some push back but most I'm sure are reasonable and objective and when a kid shopping for ammo on his phone during class and making drawings of bullets that say "blood everywhere" and "help me" gets disciplinary action from the school I'm not sure very many people would cause "havoc" and disruption over it. That aside, those things alone also don't warrant a national headline.

Back in the mid 90s my buddy showed me a note he received (passed along anonymously to him during lunch) and it was all this crazy "hate you, f-u, scum, die" type scattered writing and a drawing of a head on view of the barrels of a double barrel shotgun under which it said "the last thing you'll ever see". He was kind of a wild dude, not shaken but kind freaked out. I told him you have to go to the office with that. So he did. They asked him everything they could trying to figure out who and why. They called the police. Somehow or another, a day or two later they (the school or police?) found out who it was. Turned out it was this quiet "dark" kind of girl, (think Wednesday Adams/Fairuza Balk) who lived near us and rode our bus. We did not know her otherwise. She admitted she wrote the note because he bumped into her during the chaos of a packed cafeteria the day she wrote the note. She had no intent on acting it out. She just instantly hated him and instantly wrote him a death threat. She was definitely suspended for a few days at least and I don't recall if she faced legal issues. I guess that's more of specific death threat but anyhow, that happened and I was reminded of it. That would've been a few years prior to Columbine.

 

On topic,

What a f-ed up family here. Holy smokes!

Edited December 7, 2021 by F3SS

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

 

1 hour ago, F3SS said:

You are making a wild implication that most gun advocates specialize in kneejerk reactions to anything related to the matter. Sure, the kids who make gun gestures with their fingers or the one who got suspended for biting his pop-tart into an abstract shape of gun warrant some push back but most I'm sure are reasonable and objective and when a kid shopping for ammo on his phone during class and making drawings of bullets that say "blood everywhere" and "help me" gets disciplinary action from the school I'm not sure very many people would cause "havoc" and disruption over it. That aside, those things alone also don't warrant a national headline.

actuslly, I was implying that the Left would lose their tiny minds at the injustice and “the inherent fascism of the system”. 

 

 

[F3SS]

5 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

 

actuslly, I was implying that the Left would lose their tiny minds at the injustice and “the inherent fascism of the system”. 

 

 

Really lol. I'll have to go back and see. Sorry about that. 

OK, so the confusion lies in the fact that when it comes to anything remotely gun related they'd never stick up for the kid like that. Otherwise, you describe them well. 

Edited December 7, 2021 by F3SS

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

Just now, F3SS said:

Really lol. I'll have to go back and see. Sorry about that. 

I was less then clear. 

[F3SS]

1 minute ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

I was less then clear. 

I just made an edit above... Maybe we're on the same page now.