XenoFish Posted December 19, 2021 #326 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Dielectric said: Language is dynamic and I explained why. You are not paying attention to anything other than what you want to pay attention to. Skeptic now means abandoning adult responsibility. You just choose to ignore that this is the evolving understanding of what the manipulation of words for political ends is all about. My description is what the consciousness of humanity is now beginning to see and understand as part of social engineering. I think you're trying to project your own definition onto the word skeptic, for whatever reason. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 19, 2021 #327 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Dielectric said: Oh so now we have to call me a troll. I give a small story and it's attacked and belittled but I'm the troll? It's not the story. It is your constant antagonism toward the rest of us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted December 19, 2021 #328 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, XenoFish said: I think you're trying to project your own definition onto the word skeptic, for whatever reason. Re-defining words to push their own narrative.... remind you of anybody? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 19, 2021 #329 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Nuclear Wessel said: Re-defining words to push their own narrative.... remind you of anybody? I'll need a refresher. There are been a lot that come through with a similar agenda. Feel free to PM me about this. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dielectric Posted December 19, 2021 #330 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Nuclear Wessel said: You are not paying attention to anything other than what you want to pay attention to. Ignore the intelligent discussion I've offered and create turmoil and hope you can drive me away. Why are you here? You're about as exciting and interesting as a stump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted December 19, 2021 #331 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Dielectric said: You're about as exciting and interesting as a stump. LOL 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 19, 2021 #332 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Dielectric said: Oh so now we have to call me a troll. I give a small story and it's attacked and belittled but I'm the troll? Hi Dielectric You didn't get anything you didn't dish out. No one attacked you for telling a story you were challenged about your attitude which is a completely different issue that is off track. 4 minutes ago, Dielectric said: Skeptic now means abandoning adult responsibility. That is just your take on it and not what it actually means and the actual meaning of the word has been defined and given which is what most of us work with. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted December 19, 2021 #333 Share Posted December 19, 2021 32 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: Hello and welcome to the form, I can see that you have already started to jump in to get your feet wet! Please don’t be confused by location, I am an American just like you, I spent approximately 34 years of my life in the US Military and other Government service and currently I am living as an expatriate in South Korea. Let me give you my view of this subject, tolerance is the key that unlocks all doors. Without its application nothing can be offered or learned by anyone. There are no absolutes, everything has multiple possibilities and it’s not what is communicated it’s the application of it’s communicated. The most important message the world could every hear, will be disregarded if not presented in a manner that allows others to use critical thinking to decide if it is actually correct. The Buddha said believe nothing even if I say it, unless you can understand and except it. This is tolerance and without it no one can find acceptance! @Dielectric, I don’t understand why you have choose to not engage my comments to above? Have I not responded in an open minded and respectful manner to you? Please respond I would like to discuss things with you my friend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 19, 2021 #334 Share Posted December 19, 2021 On 12/18/2021 at 4:43 PM, onlookerofmayhem said: Correlation does not imply causation. Actually (in general) it IMPLIES a causal link, but that requires further studies to determine if one exists and what it is. Eg there was always a correlation between smoking and cancer /premature deaths, but it took a long time to scientifically determine the causal effect /link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 19, 2021 #335 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dielectric said: Why are you here? There it is. That's what I've been looking for. Holy Hell, how many times have I seen people post that very statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dielectric Posted December 19, 2021 #336 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, XenoFish said: I'll need a refresher. There are been a lot that come through with a similar agenda. Feel free to PM me about this. Is there an ignore button instead Mr. Skeptic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 19, 2021 #337 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, Dielectric said: Is there an ignore button instead Mr. Skeptic? Of course, but this is starting to become fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted December 19, 2021 #338 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dielectric said: Is there an ignore button instead Mr. Skeptic? Gotta click on your username in the top-right first, tho, to get the drop-down Edited December 19, 2021 by Nuclear Wessel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dielectric Posted December 19, 2021 #339 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Dielectric You didn't get anything you didn't dish out. No one attacked you for telling a story you were challenged about your attitude which is a completely different issue that is off track. That is just your take on it and not what it actually means and the actual meaning of the word has been defined and given which is what most of us work with. That's your opinion. Mine is that I offered a little humor to begin with, followed by a story told to me by own mother that these monsters attacked and belittled, guess their mom's are in prisons or something, but most people would tend to believe a heartfelt story told by their own mom, but these truds totally lacking in any respect for that decided to belittle it and ignore it and disregard it. Yea, I imagine a lot of people will be coming here after reading how the replied. Good God, seriously? I'm responsible? Yea..right and good luck with the new comers...Christ Sakes what a bunch of jackasses. Delete my account please. Edited December 19, 2021 by Dielectric 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Phantom_Stranger Posted December 19, 2021 #340 Share Posted December 19, 2021 (edited) In order to become a man a person must leave their home. In times of war especially young men cannot stay at home. They have to either join the army or take off and leave their house. If they hide in their house they will become as if they were a woman. Like birds learning how to fly and leaving the nest. Women can't really keep women of their own or anything for that matter if they are up against men. Men and true heroes are born from the fiery crucible and ice. Just as Jesus Christ baptises in fire and John the Baptiser in water. Edited December 19, 2021 by The_Phantom_Stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 19, 2021 #341 Share Posted December 19, 2021 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted December 19, 2021 #342 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, The_Phantom_Stranger said: In order to become a man a person must leave their home. In times of war especially young men cannot stay at home. They have to either join the army or take off and leave far from home. If they hide at home they will become as if they were a woman. Like birds learning how to fly and leaving the nest. Women can't really keep women of their own or anything for that matter if they are up against men. Men and true heroes are born from the fiery crucible and ice. Just as Jesus Christ baptises in fire and John the Baptiser in water. What does this have to do with the thread? Did you post in the wrong thread perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 19, 2021 #343 Share Posted December 19, 2021 22 hours ago, Manwon Lender said: Mr. Walker thanks for your attempted back up here I do appreciate it sincerely. But, I can handle my own battles I have done so my entire life . You see I don’t want your support to put you in a bad situation with others, the path I have choose to walk can be very lonely and I wish that upon no one. Thanks No worries, but, as i explained, I am not necessarily defending you, but the principles involved. plus of course when you do what is right, but it offends others, you will always be unpopular with some (on the other hand you will be welcomed by others ) Neither approval nor disapproval is really important/significant . Only living by your personal moralities and beliefs is important. However, it is nice to have at least some like -minded friends, family, or community. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 19, 2021 #344 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Just now, Dielectric said: That's your opinion. Mine is that I offered a little humor to begin with, followed by a story told to me by own mother that these monsters attacked and belittled, guess their mom's are in prisons or something, but most people would tend to believe a heartfelt story told by their own mom, but these truds totally lacking in any respect for that decided to belittle it and ignore it and disregard it. Yea, I imagine a lot of people will be coming here after reading how the replied. Good God, seriously? I'm responsible? Yea..right and good luck with the new comers...Christ Sakes what a bunch of jackasses. Hi Dielectric No one attacked your story, you were challenged about you description about what a skeptic is and it would be to you benefit to make those kinds of distinctions in a discussion. You can call me a jackass if that is the limit of your discussion abilities for being challenged about a simple thing like what a word means but it does not change the meaning of skeptic no matter how hard you try. If you keep acting like this you will be seen as a snowflake for justifiable reasons so do encourage you to take some time to think about what kind if relationships you wish to build here. I am a pretty easy going guy so for now I am going to let your abrasive attitude slide on this one but if you insist on speaking to me in a derogatory manner I will not be so forgiving, the choice is yours. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 19, 2021 #345 Share Posted December 19, 2021 22 hours ago, Sherapy said: Wrong, an open minded approach accounts for preexisting bias and in doing so the objective is to be less biased. Your post is an example of Dunning-Kruger effect. Ah , but one can't allow for unrecognised bias. Allowing for bias eliminates the bias ie effectively it no longer exists, but first a person must recognise any prejudgement or bias. It is clear that many posters here do not recognise their biases, nor the root causes of them. Without long, logical, and educated introspection, that is normal/inevitable. If you are saying that my opinion is a result of Dunning Kruger, then keep in mind that I have a history which includes psychology at university at post graduate level, and over 10 years as a paid professional counsellor with the government IE I must wonder which one of us suffers from this. Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 20, 2021 #346 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Dielectric said: The only thing,...the only thing I said that cause a hissy fit and a half was to describe a skeptic as being a crutch to excuse adult responsibility and that's what it is. It certainly can be Eg people skeptical of vaccination, or the harm done by drugs, including alcohol , people skeptical of the authority of the govt. and its agencies. People skeptical of the need for responsible and moral behaviour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 20, 2021 #347 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, XenoFish said: A skeptic is someone who is willing to question something, be it a belief, event, or experience. While having the willingness to research and understand. Even if that knowledge is counter to what they believe. It is basically looking for what IS rather than what one wishes it to be. More than just willing. Open minded people are willing to question Skeptics cant live without questioning "everything" (or a t least everything they are not comfortable or familiar with) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 20, 2021 #348 Share Posted December 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: It is clear that many posters here do not recognise their biases, nor the root causes of them. Hi Walker It is clear that you project biases on those that challenge your weak claims. You have been asked for evidence to support your claims so they can be subjected to proper scrutiny and have not so you project a bias on us that may not be accurate and causing problems with your ability to be objective. 9 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: I must wonder which one of us suffers from this. Dunning-Kruger effect, in psychology, a cognitive bias whereby people with limited knowledge or competence in a given intellectual or social domain greatly overestimate their own knowledge or competence in that domain relative to objective criteria or to the performance of their peers or of people in general. Always bragging about something huh, that pretty much describes you. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted December 20, 2021 #349 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Walker said: More than just willing. Open minded people are willing to question Skeptics cant live without questioning "everything" (or a t least everything they are not comfortable or familiar with) Hi Walker In case you haven't noticed the people asking questions are the skeptics and in your post what your are saying is skeptics are open minded which is why they are asking questions. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted December 20, 2021 #350 Share Posted December 20, 2021 20 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker skeptics are not close minded that is your personal view point. A skeptic looks at is presented and if the evidence supports a position then they accept that it is as presented and not an absolute. If the evidence is not sting enough to support a conclusion then it is set to the side and if better evidence is later given it will be subjected to the same level examination. Yes but sides can be influenced with bias and that does not change the requirements of proof. I and several other members are skeptics that are open minded that stand by the scientific method as a means of evaluation. Your bias is that because your stories have not been accepted is why you see skeptics as you do. You have never given evidence that can be examined as words alone are not enough and you know this but refuse to accept it I didn't say a skeptic was closed minded, but the do have a preexisting bias to question Thus the y are not truly open minded either . It is the starting position which determines the label, but also what a person will accept ie many people are sceptical about very well known truths eg the moon landings and the shape of the earth the effectiveness (and safety) of covid vaccines Truly open minded people do all the things you list but without a predetermined opening belief. Nah I just use the dictionary definitions for the words I'm a bit more open minded than some, due to my experiences, but generally I don't believe or disbelieve anything unproven. I just accept that anything may be possible, and nothing should be ruled out, just because a person doesn't believe it is possible. eg do you believe human matter transmission is possible, and will eventually be engineered? Neither should one assume something is true, despite it being possible. To know, one must test and observe, but the observation must be untainted by pre-existing biases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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