trevor borocz johnson Posted December 11, 2021 #1 Share Posted December 11, 2021 The 'nothingness' of space does have a temperature. So space on its own has a small density that creates heat at a standstill. If there were to be nothing at all then the density and temperature of space would have to be infinitely zero which isn't possible. So instead of nothing you have heat that squeezes the universe and variations in the density of space as a medium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted December 11, 2021 #2 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said: The 'nothingness' of space does have a temperature. The nothingness of space by definition can't have a temperature because there are no molecules within a vacuum (as implied by the term vacuum) from which we can measure/average kinetic energy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ell Posted December 11, 2021 #3 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Because Nothing got bored. Being Nothing is lonely. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted December 11, 2021 Author #4 Share Posted December 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: The nothingness of space by definition can't have a temperature because there are no molecules within a vacuum (as implied by the term vacuum) from which we can measure/average kinetic energy. Do you think even though it can't be measured that temperature still exists however? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted December 11, 2021 #5 Share Posted December 11, 2021 Just now, trevor borocz johnson said: Do you think even though it can't be measured that temperature still exists however? I'd have no reason to suspect so, but I could be wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted December 11, 2021 #6 Share Posted December 11, 2021 "Empty" space is filled with quantum fluctuations 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted December 11, 2021 #7 Share Posted December 11, 2021 (edited) Quote why is there anything instead of nothing? Because God/Brahman has a creative aspect. Edited December 11, 2021 by papageorge1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted January 18, 2022 Author #8 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Gravity fields provide the temperature of empty space. If space were infinitely cold, which is impossible, but if there was some point in space that was it would absorb all the energy and matter from the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted February 19, 2022 Author #9 Share Posted February 19, 2022 So since heat is infinetly divisible in both ways hot and cold is why something exists because the heat is small and dense and the cold expansive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted March 2, 2022 #10 Share Posted March 2, 2022 On 12/11/2021 at 3:45 AM, Nuclear Wessel said: The nothingness of space by definition can't have a temperature because there are no molecules within a vacuum (as implied by the term vacuum) from which we can measure/average kinetic energy. Space isn't a vacuum though. Even in the emptiest parts of space you still have the CMB, which measures about 2 degrees above absolute zero. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted March 2, 2022 #11 Share Posted March 2, 2022 On 1/18/2022 at 8:35 PM, trevor borocz johnson said: Gravity fields provide the temperature of empty space. No they don't Quote If space were infinitely cold, which is impossible, but if there was some point in space that was it would absorb all the energy and matter from the universe. You keep saying "infinitely cold" which is a meaningless sentence. You have a lowest possible temperature which is about -273 C. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted March 2, 2022 #12 Share Posted March 2, 2022 On 2/19/2022 at 9:06 PM, trevor borocz johnson said: So since heat is infinetly divisible in both ways hot and cold is why something exists because the heat is small and dense and the cold expansive. Heat is not "infinitely" divisible. Heat is the movement of particles. This is by definition quantizable. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted March 2, 2022 #13 Share Posted March 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said: Space isn't a vacuum though. Even in the emptiest parts of space you still have the CMB, which measures about 2 degrees above absolute zero. It's the closest thing that we have to a perfect vacuum, in all fairness... so for all intents and purposes, it's a vacuum. We can split hairs on this one, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted March 2, 2022 #14 Share Posted March 2, 2022 38 minutes ago, Nuclear Wessel said: It's the closest thing that we have to a perfect vacuum, in all fairness... so for all intents and purposes, it's a vacuum. We can split hairs on this one, though. Well, if it was, it wouldn't have a temperature as you've pointed out. But the CMB is everywhere and does have a temperature. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nuclear Wessel Posted March 2, 2022 #15 Share Posted March 2, 2022 18 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said: Well, if it was, it wouldn't have a temperature as you've pointed out. But the CMB is everywhere and does have a temperature. You're correct. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted March 2, 2022 #16 Share Posted March 2, 2022 There is no "why" everything just is. "Why" implies purpose and purpose, in turn, implies a directed universe, a concept unsupported save by circular reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted March 2, 2022 #17 Share Posted March 2, 2022 Can “nothing” EXIST? No. Therefore, there is…IS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted March 3, 2022 Author #18 Share Posted March 3, 2022 11 hours ago, Emma_Acid said: You keep saying "infinitely cold" which is a meaningless sentence. You have a lowest possible temperature which is about -273 C. Neat Emma well we already discussed this same BSYHP on another forum and determined that if the universe had a 'lowest possible temperature' that it would fill up with heat from stars. instead the heat dissipates. any comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted March 4, 2022 #19 Share Posted March 4, 2022 22 hours ago, trevor borocz johnson said: if the universe had a 'lowest possible temperature' that it would fill up with heat from stars. instead the heat dissipates. any comment? Stars do heat up the universe. But stars are small and the universe is huge. Its also expanding, meaning any heat generated by stars is stretched out and lost. This really isn't a mystery mate. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted March 4, 2022 Author #20 Share Posted March 4, 2022 56 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said: Stars do heat up the universe. But stars are small and the universe is huge. Its also expanding, meaning any heat generated by stars is stretched out and lost. So the heat put out by a star isn't backed up because the universe stretches it out? that would be weird. Where would it go to? wouldn't that spot in the universe fill quickly with heat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted March 4, 2022 #21 Share Posted March 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, trevor borocz johnson said: So the heat put out by a star isn't backed up because the universe stretches it out? that would be weird. Where would it go to? wouldn't that spot in the universe fill quickly with heat? The first two videos should help with a few of the basics. The third is much more relevant to your actual questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trevor borocz johnson Posted March 4, 2022 Author #22 Share Posted March 4, 2022 11 hours ago, onlookerofmayhem said: The first two videos should help with a few of the basics. The third is much more relevant to your actual questions. Its kind of scary that we use big nuclear power plants and X-ray machines when the basic understanding of space and heat for some is what is in those videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onlookerofmayhem Posted March 4, 2022 #23 Share Posted March 4, 2022 1 hour ago, trevor borocz johnson said: Its kind of scary that we use big nuclear power plants and X-ray machines when the basic understanding of space and heat for some is what is in those videos. Why? We have a pretty thorough understanding of how they work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted March 5, 2022 #24 Share Posted March 5, 2022 20 hours ago, trevor borocz johnson said: So the heat put out by a star isn't backed up because the universe stretches it out? that would be weird. Where would it go to? wouldn't that spot in the universe fill quickly with heat? I don't know what you mean by "backed up". And what would "be weird"? I really don't think you're grasping how small any heat increase is compared to the sheer size of the universe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted March 5, 2022 #25 Share Posted March 5, 2022 9 hours ago, trevor borocz johnson said: Its kind of scary that we use big nuclear power plants and X-ray machines when the basic understanding of space and heat for some is what is in those videos. Umm... what?? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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